Small Somu 1.7a problem ...

Subject: Small Somu 1.7a problem ... Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:25 pm

Hello Ed,

I don't know what's wrong with my PGN file from round 1 (still running tourney).

Somu produced not a correct statistic file.

If you have time for it ...
Could you check that?
Have a look in special the Tucano results!

Here the file:
http://www.amateurschach.de/download/r01_ed.zip (1,1Mb, *.pgn only).

Best
Frank

What I got from a complete round, each engine played 45 games):

Code:: Engine Depth Time Games Moves Average Forfeit Book Depth MIDG EARLY ENDG LATE
Atlas 3.91 POPCNT x6 26.68 18:38:10 44 3788 17.71 0 411 9.34 20.85 | 22.23 | 24.24 | 40.07
Mr Bob 0.9.0 POPCNT 29.74 15:34:39 45 3251 17.25 0 387 8.60 25.47 | 25.17 | 29.68 | 36.67
Stash 24.0 BMI2 x64 30.71 19:55:17 43 4196 17.09 0 397 9.23 27.67 | 28.98 | 30.70 | 35.68
Gogobello 2.2 BMI2 x 27.87 17:11:34 44 3623 17.08 0 500 11.36 23.05 | 24.20 | 29.07 | 35.87
Amoeba 3.2 x64 32.36 17:08:02 43 3681 16.76 0 396 9.21 26.54 | 28.83 | 31.12 | 45.64
Hakkapeliitta TCEC v 33.89 18:42:55 45 4022 16.75 0 423 9.40 26.60 | 27.53 | 33.30 | 46.29
FabChess 1.16 BMI2 x 31.19 17:41:12 44 3899 16.33 0 416 9.45 26.33 | 26.82 | 30.41 | 39.40
Marvin 4.0.1 POPCNT 25.66 16:11:50 44 3575 16.31 0 395 8.98 23.26 | 25.02 | 23.16 | 32.87
Dirty Cucumber x64 21.95 16:29:12 44 3652 16.25 0 377 8.57 20.03 | 20.32 | 20.98 | 28.19
Invictus r305 PEXT x 25.11 15:54:25 45 3535 16.20 0 435 9.67 22.95 | 23.47 | 25.66 | 29.24
Quazar 0.4 x64 26.60 16:32:11 45 3679 16.18 0 365 8.11 21.56 | 22.03 | 25.50 | 35.12
Rodent IV 0.30 BMI2 31.87 15:34:39 44 3469 16.17 0 387 8.80 25.95 | 25.67 | 31.63 | 44.24
GreKo 2020.03 x64 19.44 13:22:17 44 2981 16.15 0 377 8.57 16.59 | 18.29 | 18.82 | 29.13
Lc0 0.26.3 x64 7.26 16:10:06 45 3610 16.12 0 421 9.36 8.31 | 8.92 | 6.81 | 5.57
Cheng 4.40 dev AVX2 26.30 17:27:08 44 3916 16.04 0 432 9.82 23.68 | 26.37 | 26.98 | 30.21
K2 0.96 dev x64 20.28 16:22:27 45 3695 15.95 0 410 9.11 16.70 | 18.08 | 19.85 | 27.97
Nirvanachess 2.4 POP 29.69 14:30:42 44 3281 15.92 0 391 8.89 26.39 | 27.63 | 32.53 | 37.44
Tucano 9.00 x64 30.30 16:57:37 84 3852 15.85 0 366 4.36 25.03 | 27.46 | 29.67 | 41.77
Topple 0.7.5 Skylake 31.00 17:33:07 44 4002 15.79 0 421 9.57 27.42 | 27.60 | 28.98 | 39.47
ChessBrainVB 3.74 TC 24.24 16:01:36 44 3659 15.77 0 385 8.75 21.40 | 22.10 | 22.74 | 29.98
OpenTal 1.0 POPCNT x 22.77 14:17:00 44 3263 15.76 0 397 9.02 22.07 | 23.18 | 22.03 | 25.97
Orion 0.8 NN POP AVX 22.69 15:27:20 45 3574 15.57 0 404 8.98 19.74 | 20.11 | 21.91 | 29.76
Halogen 8.1 PEXT-AVX 23.62 15:40:02 44 3651 15.45 0 374 8.50 21.86 | 23.11 | 24.48 | 25.65
Gödel 7.0 SSE42 x64 27.41 15:20:21 45 3584 15.41 0 476 10.58 23.80 | 24.93 | 25.96 | 39.68
Spark 1.0 Core-i x64 18.65 14:50:46 44 3486 15.33 0 394 8.95 17.63 | 19.05 | 18.82 | 20.67
Cheese 2.2 POPCNT x6 22.03 15:21:49 44 3625 15.26 0 378 8.59 20.57 | 20.40 | 22.26 | 24.84
SmarThink 1.98 AVX2 23.29 16:39:12 45 3936 15.23 0 375 8.33 22.36 | 23.62 | 23.31 | 24.63
Bagatur 2.2 JAVA x64 41.31 14:03:20 43 3323 15.23 0 381 8.86 29.36 | 28.97 | 47.72 | 56.34
Monolith 2.01 PEXT x 26.92 13:30:24 44 3196 15.21 0 385 8.75 24.20 | 25.59 | 26.92 | 34.71
Weiss 1.2 PEXT x64 27.89 14:58:18 44 3580 15.06 0 398 9.05 27.11 | 27.93 | 29.99 | 25.60
Koivisto 4.0 POPCNT 33.86 16:00:20 44 3844 14.99 0 927 21.07 28.20 | 29.68 | 33.42 | 43.79
chess22k 1.14 JAVA x 35.64 15:47:41 44 3807 14.94 0 393 8.93 27.04 | 26.78 | 34.22 | 52.30
pirarucu 3.3.5 JAVA 31.52 14:05:45 44 3431 14.79 0 417 9.48 27.43 | 27.74 | 32.50 | 38.49
ProDeo 3.0 w32 19.54 15:14:20 44 3727 14.72 0 373 8.48 18.15 | 19.22 | 18.27 | 22.35
TheBaron 3.44.1 x64 18.78 13:40:45 44 3390 14.53 0 419 9.52 16.50 | 17.47 | 17.63 | 24.92
Gaviota 1.0 AVX x64 18.70 15:08:04 44 3774 14.44 0 470 10.68 18.00 | 19.57 | 18.71 | 20.00
Wasp 4.08 dev Modern 29.68 13:27:02 43 3357 14.42 0 385 8.95 24.90 | 26.65 | 25.74 | 46.19
Junior 13.3.00 x64 25.16 13:43:57 44 3441 14.37 0 374 8.50 18.62 | 19.42 | 23.17 | 42.60
Hiarcs 14 WCSC w32 23.62 14:03:16 44 3558 14.22 0 411 9.34 20.11 | 20.94 | 22.82 | 30.84
Spike 1.4 Leiden w32 20.88 13:34:39 45 3459 14.13 0 415 9.22 20.20 | 20.85 | 19.85 | 24.00
Naum 4.6 x64 20.49 15:09:34 45 3919 13.93 0 432 9.60 18.20 | 18.79 | 20.84 | 24.01
Protector 1.9.0 x64 30.62 13:56:27 44 3645 13.77 0 393 8.93 20.82 | 21.95 | 23.53 | 49.07
Crafty 25.6 x64 26.42 14:14:15 45 3770 13.60 0 418 9.29 25.77 | 26.81 | 27.96 | 25.14
Asymptote 0.8 Broadw 23.85 14:16:02 44 3810 13.48 0 428 9.73 22.18 | 23.51 | 22.22 | 28.14
Francesca 0.29a x64 33.60 12:08:22 44 3346 13.06 0 419 9.52 31.78 | 34.67 | 33.41 | 37.56
Seer 1.2.1 NNUE Skyl 23.83 10:19:34 44 3312 11.22 0 386 8.77 22.62 | 23.88 | 24.78 | 24.78

Legend

Depth : Overall average search depth
Time : Total time engine used
Moves : Total moves engine played
Average : Average time per move in centi-seconds
Forfeit : Games engine lost due to time forfeit
Book : Moves played from opening book plus average depth

MIDG : Average search depth during the opening and middle game
EARLY : Average search depth during the middle game without Queens, the so called early end game
ENDG : Average search depth during the end game
LATE : Average search depth during the late end game

List is sorted on Average Time indicating the engine that uses the most time tops.

Subject: Re: Small Somu 1.7a problem ... Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:32 pm

Hi Ed,

forgotten.

Shredder 12 GUI save games without ECO codes.
Shredder 13 GUI save games with ECO codes.

I switched during round 1 the Shredder GUI version (I try out to solve a Deuterium problem with UCI settings). The reason that for different games ECO tag can be found in my *.pgn file.

I deleted the ECO lines from PGN with the editor Notepad++ but the problem with Somu 1.7a is the same. Thinking at first it have to do with ECO code tags in PGN file.

Best
Frank

Subject: Re: Small Somu 1.7a problem ... Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:17 am

Hi Ed,

I found a solution without to know why my database produced a mistake.

Loaded games in Chesspad 2.09.
Set ECO codes for the complete database.

Try again Somu 1.7a.
Now the Somu statistic is correct.

Code:: Engine Depth Time Games Moves Average Forfeit Book Depth MIDG EARLY ENDG LATE
Atlas 3.91 POPCNT x6 26.68 19:27:16 45 3955 17.71 0 422 9.38 20.89 | 22.23 | 24.68 | 40.07
Mr Bob 0.9.0 POPCNT 29.69 15:21:03 45 3203 17.25 0 378 8.40 25.32 | 25.17 | 29.48 | 36.67
Gogobello 2.2 BMI2 x 27.79 17:31:44 45 3695 17.08 0 505 11.22 23.02 | 24.20 | 29.06 | 35.84
Stash 24.0 BMI2 x64 30.81 19:55:41 45 4202 17.07 0 399 8.87 27.68 | 28.81 | 30.92 | 35.60
Amoeba 3.2 x64 32.18 17:25:27 45 3743 16.76 0 401 8.91 26.48 | 28.83 | 30.93 | 45.25
Hakkapeliitta TCEC v 34.01 18:11:13 45 3908 16.75 0 417 9.27 26.56 | 27.53 | 33.24 | 46.56
FabChess 1.16 BMI2 x 31.20 17:06:03 45 3740 16.46 0 368 8.18 26.36 | 26.82 | 30.41 | 39.09
Marvin 4.0.1 POPCNT 25.71 16:20:58 45 3606 16.32 0 398 8.84 23.34 | 25.02 | 23.34 | 32.96
Dirty Cucumber x64 21.95 16:29:12 45 3653 16.25 0 378 8.40 20.03 | 20.32 | 20.98 | 28.19
Invictus r305 PEXT x 25.04 15:23:47 45 3420 16.21 0 428 9.51 22.86 | 23.47 | 25.80 | 28.83
GreKo 2020.03 x64 19.42 13:17:13 45 2958 16.17 0 381 8.47 16.52 | 18.29 | 18.82 | 29.47
Rodent IV 0.30 BMI2 32.11 14:39:50 45 3273 16.13 0 373 8.29 25.74 | 26.09 | 31.86 | 44.43
Quazar 0.4 x64 26.70 15:41:26 45 3505 16.12 0 358 7.96 21.53 | 22.03 | 25.62 | 35.45
Lc0 0.26.3 x64 7.21 15:55:42 45 3562 16.10 0 413 9.18 8.27 | 8.92 | 6.70 | 5.57
Cheng 4.40 dev AVX2 26.34 17:25:28 45 3909 16.05 0 429 9.53 23.71 | 26.37 | 26.94 | 30.32
K2 0.96 dev x64 20.33 16:03:11 45 3620 15.96 0 404 8.98 16.69 | 18.08 | 19.89 | 28.15
Nirvanachess 2.4 POP 29.59 14:47:35 45 3342 15.94 0 403 8.96 26.30 | 27.63 | 32.46 | 37.36
Tucano 9.00 x64 30.22 17:46:51 45 4019 15.93 0 376 8.36 25.07 | 27.46 | 29.70 | 41.77
OpenTal 1.0 POPCNT x 22.74 14:27:21 45 3297 15.78 0 394 8.76 22.07 | 23.18 | 22.02 | 25.79
ChessBrainVB 3.74 TC 24.16 16:40:57 45 3805 15.78 0 397 8.82 21.37 | 22.10 | 22.72 | 30.01
Topple 0.7.5 Skylake 31.19 17:26:23 45 3993 15.72 0 423 9.40 26.93 | 27.60 | 28.94 | 39.31
Orion 0.8 NN POP AVX 22.69 15:27:20 45 3574 15.57 0 404 8.98 19.74 | 20.11 | 21.91 | 29.76
Gödel 7.0 SSE42 x64 27.53 15:00:01 45 3496 15.45 0 463 10.29 23.80 | 25.14 | 26.08 | 39.68
Halogen 8.1 PEXT-AVX 23.65 15:28:44 45 3615 15.41 0 376 8.36 21.96 | 23.27 | 24.45 | 25.69
Spark 1.0 Core-i x64 18.72 14:36:54 45 3430 15.34 0 391 8.69 17.70 | 19.33 | 18.90 | 20.67
Cheese 2.2 POPCNT x6 22.00 15:41:38 45 3705 15.25 0 385 8.56 20.57 | 20.46 | 22.18 | 24.76
SmarThink 1.98 AVX2 23.29 16:39:12 45 3936 15.23 0 375 8.33 22.36 | 23.62 | 23.31 | 24.63
Monolith 2.01 PEXT x 26.96 13:56:44 45 3305 15.19 0 395 8.78 24.32 | 25.59 | 26.91 | 34.45
Bagatur 2.2 JAVA x64 41.84 15:05:50 45 3598 15.11 0 396 8.80 29.50 | 28.97 | 47.03 | 57.83
Koivisto 4.0 POPCNT 34.22 16:29:53 45 3943 15.06 0 934 20.76 28.19 | 29.62 | 33.70 | 44.71
Weiss 1.2 PEXT x64 27.85 15:21:22 45 3674 15.05 0 409 9.09 27.07 | 27.93 | 29.90 | 25.64
chess22k 1.14 JAVA x 35.83 15:15:28 45 3699 14.85 0 397 8.82 27.22 | 27.17 | 34.27 | 52.35
pirarucu 3.3.5 JAVA 31.52 14:05:45 45 3431 14.79 0 417 9.27 27.43 | 27.74 | 32.50 | 38.49
ProDeo 3.0 w32 19.62 14:52:34 45 3633 14.74 0 365 8.11 18.13 | 19.19 | 18.34 | 22.47
TheBaron 3.44.1 x64 18.71 14:04:39 45 3485 14.54 0 426 9.47 16.50 | 17.47 | 17.61 | 24.92
Wasp 4.08 dev Modern 29.41 14:06:37 45 3517 14.44 0 406 9.02 24.96 | 26.65 | 25.53 | 45.24
Junior 13.3.00 x64 25.22 14:00:13 45 3491 14.44 0 371 8.24 18.58 | 19.45 | 23.13 | 42.35
Gaviota 1.0 AVX x64 18.70 15:08:04 45 3775 14.43 0 471 10.47 18.00 | 19.57 | 18.71 | 20.00
Hiarcs 14 WCSC w32 23.59 14:30:27 45 3664 14.25 0 419 9.31 20.14 | 20.94 | 22.84 | 30.83
Spike 1.4 Leiden w32 20.88 13:34:39 45 3459 14.13 0 415 9.22 20.20 | 20.85 | 19.85 | 24.00
Naum 4.6 x64 20.48 14:19:41 45 3732 13.82 0 427 9.49 17.83 | 18.79 | 20.84 | 24.01
Protector 1.9.0 x64 30.40 14:14:10 45 3714 13.80 0 400 8.89 20.80 | 21.95 | 23.48 | 48.79
Crafty 25.6 x64 26.41 13:39:09 45 3625 13.56 0 409 9.09 25.78 | 27.01 | 27.86 | 25.33
Asymptote 0.8 Broadw 23.83 14:34:17 45 3897 13.46 0 439 9.76 22.18 | 23.51 | 22.21 | 28.08
Francesca 0.29a x64 33.76 11:30:17 45 3177 13.04 0 400 8.89 31.79 | 34.41 | 33.35 | 37.83
Seer 1.2.1 NNUE Skyl 23.85 10:46:50 45 3457 11.23 0 398 8.84 22.68 | 23.88 | 24.70 | 24.78

Legend

Depth : Overall average search depth
Time : Total time engine used
Moves : Total moves engine played
Average : Average time per move in centi-seconds
Forfeit : Games engine lost due to time forfeit
Book : Moves played from opening book plus average depth

MIDG : Average search depth during the opening and middle game
EARLY : Average search depth during the middle game without Queens, the so called early end game
ENDG : Average search depth during the end game
LATE : Average search depth during the late end game

List is sorted on Average Time indicating the engine that uses the most time tops.

Best
Frank

Subject: Re: Small Somu 1.7a problem ... Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:54 am

Hi Frank,

ECO codes have nothing to do with the statistic tool. What is strange is that Tucano had too much games (84) games and the final result 45, perhaps you by accident double copied Tucano games?

Subject: Re: Small Somu 1.7a problem ... Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:04 am

Hi Ed,

yes, I am thinking the same at first.

Maybe Chesspad 2.09 set ECO codes and during this process other corrections in background. I have not a better explanation. I am searching yesterday 2 hours for mistakes in my PGN file without success. The link to the PGN database from round are without any doubles, 1035 games for round 1 (1 round are exacatly 1035 games). If I load the database with other programs, like Chessbase for an exmaple, I can see that for each of the 46 engines are 45 games in database.

Best
Frank

Guest

Qui-Sin-Sky wrote:: Hi Ed,

yes, I am thinking the same at first.

Maybe Chesspad 2.09 set ECO codes and during this process other corrections in background. I have not a better explanation. I am searching yesterday 2 hours for mistakes in my PGN file without success. The link to the PGN database from round are without any doubles, 1035 games for round 1 (1 round are exacatly 1035 games). If I load the database with other programs, like Chessbase for an exmaple, I can see that for each of the 46 engines are 45 games in database.

Best
Frank

You should look into pgn files with a good editor first in such cases.
Here is one example why book move stats never can be correct for any program in your file.

Didn't you wonder why Koivisto e.g. has such high book move depths?
Obviously your GUI (Shredder?) always adds 'book' to any move w/o eval+depth.
A lot of program do this with 'easy moves'. Koivisto just excels here though.
(Gaviota and others from your selection do it too)

No idea if this makes other stats unreliable too.
(probably yes, if no depth is counted as zero depth, only Ed knows if it is discarded from total counting then)

Code:: [Event "40 Moves in 12 min"]
[Site "fcp-qualify-tourney-2021, WASP-1"]
[Date "2020.12.04"]
[Round "1.36"]
[White "Koivisto 4.0 POPCNT AVX x64"]
[Black "ProDeo 3.0 w32"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. d4 {book 0s} Nf6 {book 0s} 2. c4 {book 0s} e6 {book 0s}
3. Nf3 {book 0s} b6 {book 0s} 4. Bf4 {book 0s} Bb7 {book
0s} 5. e3 {book 0s} d5 {book 0s} 6. Nc3 {book 0s} Bd6 {book
0s} 7. Bxd6 {book 0s} Qxd6 {book 0s}
...
74. Kf3 {book 0s (Ke5)} Kf5 {+7.46/22 11s} 75. e4+ {book
0s} Kf6 {+10.38/24 18s} 76. Ng2 {book 0s (Ke3)} h3
{+9.11/24 23s} 77. Nf4 {book 0s (Ne3)} h2 {+9.76/22 12s}
78. Nh5+ {book 0s} Ke5 {+10.05/23 23s} 79. Ng3 {book 0s}
Ke6 {+13.24/24 15s} 80. Kg2 {book 0s (Kf4)} Kf6 {+10.37/26
26s} 81. Kxh2 {book 0s} Ke5 {+10.08/26 18s} 82. Kg2 {book
0s (Kh3)} Kf4 {+15.80/25 15s} 83. Kf2 {book 0s} Ke5
{+M-1367/24 9s} 84. Ke3 {book 0s} Ke6 {+M-1370/23 9s}
85. Kd4 {book 0s} Kd6 {+M-1365/21 6s} 86. e5+ {book 0s} Ke6
{+M-1369/20 3s} 87. Ke4 {book 0s (Ne4)} Kf7 {+M-1370/20 3s}
88. Kd5 {book 0s} Ke7 {+M-1366/18 1s} 89. e6 {book 0s} Kf6
{+M-1368/18 2s} 90. Kd6 {book 0s} Kg7 {+M-1375/17 2s}
91. e7 {book 0s} Kf7 {+M-1373/13 0s} 92. Kd7 {book 0s} Kg6
{+M-1373/12 0s} 93. e8=Q+ {+79.36/66 29s} Kg5 {+M-1377/7
0s} 94. Ke6 {book 0s (Qf8)} Kg4 {+M-1377/9 0s} 95. Kf6
{book 0s (Ne4)} Kh3 {+M-1376/9 0s} 96. Qe2 {book 0s (Qe3)}
Kh4 {+M-1379/5 0s} 97. Qh5+ {book 0s (Ne4)} Kxg3 {+9.92/7
0s} 98. Ke5 {book 0s} Kg2 {+M-1379/8 0s} 99. Kf4 {book 0s
(Qe2+)} Kf1 {+M-1381/6 0s} 100. Kf3 {book 0s (Qh2)} Kg1
{+M-1380/3 0s} 101. Kg3 {book 0s (Qe5)} Kf1 {+M-1383/2 0s}
102. Qd1# {book 0s} 1-0

Subject: Re: Small Somu 1.7a problem ... Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:20 pm

Hi there,

the "book-moves" problem to the end of the games is well-known.
The differents for quantity of games in my first posting is not correct!
In my third posting OK, after I added ECO code information in PGN file with ChessPad 2.09.

Best
Frank

Subject: Re: Small Somu 1.7a problem ... Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:38 pm

temporarily wrote:

Qui-Sin-Sky wrote:: Hi Ed,

yes, I am thinking the same at first.

Maybe Chesspad 2.09 set ECO codes and during this process other corrections in background. I have not a better explanation. I am searching yesterday 2 hours for mistakes in my PGN file without success. The link to the PGN database from round are without any doubles, 1035 games for round 1 (1 round are exacatly 1035 games). If I load the database with other programs, like Chessbase for an exmaple, I can see that for each of the 46 engines are 45 games in database.

Best
Frank

You should look into pgn files with a good editor first in such cases.
Here is one example why book move stats never can be correct for any program in your file.

Didn't you wonder why Koivisto e.g. has such high book move depths?
Obviously your GUI (Shredder?) always adds 'book' to any move w/o eval+depth.
A lot of program do this with 'easy moves'. Koivisto just excels here though.
(Gaviota and others from your selection do it too)

No idea if this makes other stats unreliable too.
(probably yes, if no depth is counted as zero depth, only Ed knows if it is discarded from total counting then)

Code:: [Event "40 Moves in 12 min"]
[Site "fcp-qualify-tourney-2021, WASP-1"]
[Date "2020.12.04"]
[Round "1.36"]
[White "Koivisto 4.0 POPCNT AVX x64"]
[Black "ProDeo 3.0 w32"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. d4 {book 0s} Nf6 {book 0s} 2. c4 {book 0s} e6 {book 0s}
3. Nf3 {book 0s} b6 {book 0s} 4. Bf4 {book 0s} Bb7 {book
0s} 5. e3 {book 0s} d5 {book 0s} 6. Nc3 {book 0s} Bd6 {book
0s} 7. Bxd6 {book 0s} Qxd6 {book 0s}
...
74. Kf3 {book 0s (Ke5)} Kf5 {+7.46/22 11s} 75. e4+ {book
0s} Kf6 {+10.38/24 18s} 76. Ng2 {book 0s (Ke3)} h3
{+9.11/24 23s} 77. Nf4 {book 0s (Ne3)} h2 {+9.76/22 12s}
78. Nh5+ {book 0s} Ke5 {+10.05/23 23s} 79. Ng3 {book 0s}
Ke6 {+13.24/24 15s} 80. Kg2 {book 0s (Kf4)} Kf6 {+10.37/26
26s} 81. Kxh2 {book 0s} Ke5 {+10.08/26 18s} 82. Kg2 {book
0s (Kh3)} Kf4 {+15.80/25 15s} 83. Kf2 {book 0s} Ke5
{+M-1367/24 9s} 84. Ke3 {book 0s} Ke6 {+M-1370/23 9s}
85. Kd4 {book 0s} Kd6 {+M-1365/21 6s} 86. e5+ {book 0s} Ke6
{+M-1369/20 3s} 87. Ke4 {book 0s (Ne4)} Kf7 {+M-1370/20 3s}
88. Kd5 {book 0s} Ke7 {+M-1366/18 1s} 89. e6 {book 0s} Kf6
{+M-1368/18 2s} 90. Kd6 {book 0s} Kg7 {+M-1375/17 2s}
91. e7 {book 0s} Kf7 {+M-1373/13 0s} 92. Kd7 {book 0s} Kg6
{+M-1373/12 0s} 93. e8=Q+ {+79.36/66 29s} Kg5 {+M-1377/7
0s} 94. Ke6 {book 0s (Qf8)} Kg4 {+M-1377/9 0s} 95. Kf6
{book 0s (Ne4)} Kh3 {+M-1376/9 0s} 96. Qe2 {book 0s (Qe3)}
Kh4 {+M-1379/5 0s} 97. Qh5+ {book 0s (Ne4)} Kxg3 {+9.92/7
0s} 98. Ke5 {book 0s} Kg2 {+M-1379/8 0s} 99. Kf4 {book 0s
(Qe2+)} Kf1 {+M-1381/6 0s} 100. Kf3 {book 0s (Qh2)} Kg1
{+M-1380/3 0s} 101. Kg3 {book 0s (Qe5)} Kf1 {+M-1383/2 0s}
102. Qd1# {book 0s} 1-0

The way GUI's store PGN sometimes is a royal mess especially when it comes to book moves, zillion of combinations, the above example beats them all Shocked

SOMU supports Arena, cute-chess and I believe also ChessBase PGN. Impossible to support all.

Subject: Re: Small Somu 1.7a problem ... Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:55 am

Hi Ed,

the "book" problem is not the reason for my message.
We discuss about it for a while in TalkChess.

I think it's not a problem from your nice tool.

Yesterday I had a contact to Stefan Meyer-Kahlen. Over the years I have collected some things around Shredder GUI (wishes, bugs and suggestions). Summary: 9 points collected. I will send Stefan next week the list with different examples, grahics and so one. One of the point is "book-moves" to the end of the games. From 88 engines I have tested in the last weeks (added a configuration selection on my site) 14 engines produced "book-moves".

Again, I think an order for the GUI programmer.

At the moment Stefan is working on other things but it is good if Stefan have the list.
"Mother GUI" for UCI engines ... Shredder ... should be work without any mistakes.

Best
Frank

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