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PostSubject: Re: My first NNUE   My first NNUE - Page 6 EmptyTue Feb 01, 2022 11:34 am

Dio wrote:
Hello Chris, thank you for your answer.
Unfortunately I don't have a github account.
Maybe it would be possible to make a first contact via
Facebook, I found your profile.
I don't want to post my private email address in the forum.

Hi Deo,

Executables are available here ...
http://rebel13.nl/windows/rebel-14.html#other

GitHub has infos, source, executables and so on.

You are welcome to use my FB account/Messenger for any other information you need.

Bonne Chance!

Chris
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Thank you very much, I assume that the new binaries will appear on Ed's homepage.
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PostSubject: Re: My first NNUE   My first NNUE - Page 6 EmptyTue Feb 01, 2022 2:50 pm

Dio wrote:
right link: https://github.com/ChrisWhittington/Rebel-14.1.02-Chess-System-TAL/releases

From the rebel page you have all 4 versions (avx2 and sse) in one download.

http://rebel13.nl/dl.html?file=dl/cstal.7z

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PostSubject: Re: My first NNUE   My first NNUE - Page 6 EmptyTue Feb 15, 2022 2:30 am

Progress Update

Created a new net, this time not from Benjamin but from Rebel 14.1 data.

R14.2 [beta] vs R14.1
Games : 5000
TC : 40/40
Result : 58.5%
Elo : +60

http://rebel13.nl/b/grl.htm

Last step, need to tune the net finding the best setting, this might or might not give some extra elo.

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PostSubject: Re: My first NNUE   My first NNUE - Page 6 EmptyTue Feb 15, 2022 10:58 am

Ed, will it be possible to test the beta?
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PostSubject: Re: My first NNUE   My first NNUE - Page 6 EmptyTue Feb 15, 2022 11:39 am

matejst wrote:
Ed, will it be possible to test the beta?

Everything is possible, but it would mean I would have to provide the source code with it because of the GPL and I don't like to do that precise job more than once.

But I think you may expect a new release this week because I am not exactly in the mood for additional search improvements.

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PostSubject: Re: My first NNUE   My first NNUE - Page 6 EmptyTue Feb 15, 2022 2:25 pm

Is there any hope for multiPV in R14.2?
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PostSubject: Re: My first NNUE   My first NNUE - Page 6 EmptyThu Feb 17, 2022 2:47 pm

matejst wrote:
Is there any hope for multiPV in R14.2?

Chris made an option in the learner for the old R14 format that is compatible with Marvin. After the R14.2 release I will such a net. Then you have MultiPV and MP.

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PostSubject: Re: My first NNUE   My first NNUE - Page 6 EmptyThu Feb 17, 2022 3:02 pm

Thanks, Ed. Means a lot. It will be interesting to compare the two nets' format too.
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PostSubject: Re: My first NNUE   My first NNUE - Page 6 EmptyThu Feb 17, 2022 4:58 pm

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matejst wrote:
Is there any hope for multiPV in R14.2?

Chris made an option in the learner for the old R14 format that is compatible with Marvin. After the R14.2 release I will such a net. Then you have MultiPV and MP.

Well, nearly, it hasn’t been tested yet. Someone will need to see if it can train a 128 net (I think it can, but didn’t test it) and the inference engine needs to accommodate it. That’s not tested either.
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PostSubject: Re: My first NNUE   My first NNUE - Page 6 EmptySun Feb 20, 2022 1:03 pm

Impatiently awaiting for the new Rebel and a new CSTal...
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PostSubject: Re: My first NNUE   My first NNUE - Page 6 EmptySun Feb 20, 2022 5:07 pm

matejst wrote:
Impatiently awaiting for the new Rebel and a new CSTal...

In self-play with the default tuner setting 14.2 gave 70 elo but against a set of CCRL 3200 rated engines only 30 elo which is too low for a release. And so I am busy to find the right value, it's called tuning and it's a time consuming process but I will be there.

Meanwhile on request Chris and I are working on..............

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Somewhat stronger search, MP and MultiPV.

And everybody will be happy and maybe myself too.

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PostSubject: Re: My first NNUE   My first NNUE - Page 6 EmptySun Feb 20, 2022 5:16 pm

Is this toga II v4 ?!
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PostSubject: Re: My first NNUE   My first NNUE - Page 6 EmptySun Feb 20, 2022 5:29 pm

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Is this toga II v4 ?!

4.2 as far as I understand it
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PostSubject: Re: My first NNUE   My first NNUE - Page 6 EmptySun Feb 20, 2022 6:46 pm

At CCRL it is called Toga II 4.0, Dietrich Kappe called his creation Toga III, hence Toga IV, maybe Toga IV 1.0 is better.

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I see.
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PostSubject: Re: My first NNUE   My first NNUE - Page 6 EmptyTue Feb 22, 2022 9:22 pm

http://rebel13.nl/windows/rebel-14.html#other

Surprisingly TOGA IV is not stronger than Rebel 14.1 despite adding a REBEL search improvement. It's not much, 10-15 elo less but fully compensated by MP support.

See further in the announcement thread.

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PostSubject: Re: My first NNUE   My first NNUE - Page 6 EmptyWed Mar 02, 2022 6:53 am

Ran the Gambit Rating List for the upcoming Rebel 14.2, it reached place 15.

http://rebel13.nl/grl-best-40-2.html

When I have time enough it will be released today.

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PostSubject: Re: My first NNUE   My first NNUE - Page 6 EmptyWed Mar 02, 2022 9:35 am

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Ran the Gambit Rating List for the upcoming Rebel 14.2, it reached place 15.

http://rebel13.nl/grl-best-40-2.html

When I have time enough it will be released today.

Your ability to squeeze out extra Elo (after I think it’s done, so to speak) is impressive.

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Ran the Gambit Rating List for the upcoming Rebel 14.2, it reached place 15.

http://rebel13.nl/grl-best-40-2.html

When I have time enough it will be released today.

Your ability to squeeze out extra Elo (after I think it’s done, so to speak) is impressive.

But after a lot of pain (read tuning), I hate tuning, but it's part of the job.

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