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PostSubject: New Release Announcement Rebel-14-Chess-System-Tal [NNUE]   New Release Announcement Rebel-14-Chess-System-Tal [NNUE] EmptyTue Feb 01, 2022 11:30 am

Rebel-14-Chess-System-Tal [NNUE], a collaboration between Ed Schroeder (Rebel) and Chris Whittington (Chess System Tal).

Source, executables and general info, available on GitHub, links below


https://github.com/egh-s/Rebel-14.1.02-Chess-System-TAL-1

Executables only, link below:
http://rebel13.nl/windows/rebel-14.html#other

Enjoy!

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23 years later. YES
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New Release Announcement Rebel-14-Chess-System-Tal [NNUE] 26nmoeg

according to this, the sse application should be working on my computer right? for some reason it's crashing in arena when i go to analyze
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koolaidsa wrote:
New Release Announcement Rebel-14-Chess-System-Tal [NNUE] 26nmoeg

according to this, the sse application should be working on my computer right? for some reason it's crashing in arena when i go to analyze

On my end with Arena everything runs okay, maybe you can contribute 1) the version you are using and 2) a position example in fen / epd or pgn format.
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PostSubject: Re: New Release Announcement Rebel-14-Chess-System-Tal [NNUE]   New Release Announcement Rebel-14-Chess-System-Tal [NNUE] EmptyThu Feb 03, 2022 8:07 pm

chess system tal 3 nnue 5'

examples----

60/60
ryzen 5 3600
1 thread each engine
ponder ON


[pgn]
[Event "CSTal3 NNUE 5'"]
[Site "ORION8"]
[Date "2022.02.03"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Chess System Tal 3 [5']"]
[Black "Deep Rybka 4.1 x64 [t1]"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2200"]
[ECO "B21"]
[Opening "Sizilianisch"]
[Time "17"]
[Variation "Morra-Gambit, 4.Nxc3 Nc6 5.Nf3 e6"]
[WhiteElo "2200"]
[TimeControl "60/3600:60/3600:60/3600"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "100"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Nb3 Bb6 6. Nc3 Ne7 7. Bf4 d5
{-0.31/19 201} 8. Qf3 {+0.61/23 132} O-O {-0.30/19 0} 9. O-O-O {+1.17/25
90} d4 {-0.24/21 219} 10. Qg3 {+1.17/25 0} Nbc6 {-0.24/21 132} 11. Kb1
{+1.17/25 0} Ng6 {0.00/20 202} 12. Bc1 {+1.17/25 0} Qe7 {-0.08/19 170} 13.
Na4 {+0.57/26 83} Bc7 {-0.08/18 0} 14. f4 {+0.79/26 101} b6 {-0.12/18 0}
15. c3 {+0.43/25 144} dxc3 {-0.07/19 49} 16. Nxc3 {+0.39/24 41} Bb7
{-0.07/19 20} 17. h4 {+0.94/27 83} Rfd8 {-0.07/18 0} 18. Rxd8+ {+0.86/26
91} Rxd8 {-0.07/19 0} 19. h5 {+0.80/28 84} Nf8 {-0.03/20 0} 20. h6
{+0.79/27 72} g6 {-0.03/20 0} 21. Be2 {+0.80/26 105} Nd7 {0.00/19 0} 22.
Be3 {+0.87/26 76} Nc5 {0.00/20 142} 23. Nxc5 {+0.87/26 0} bxc5 {0.00/22 71}
24. Rc1 {+0.87/25 1} Nd4 {+0.15/18 145} 25. Bc4 {+0.87/25 13} a5 {+0.17/19
98} 26. a4 {+0.53/24 86} Rd7 {+0.15/19 256} 27. Rd1 {+0.52/22 103} Bc6
{+0.17/19 92} 28. Qf2 {+0.52/23 10} Qe8 {0.00/18 231} 29. Ka2 {+0.58/23 63}
Qb8 {0.00/17 75} 30. b3 {+0.61/23 87} Qf8 {0.00/18 0} 31. f5 {+0.59/23 52}
exf5 {0.00/18 0} 32. exf5 {+1.30/23 59} Nxf5 {-0.16/20 0} 33. Rxd7
{+0.72/26 60} Bxd7 {-0.16/21 0} 34. Bg5 {+1.10/28 75} Be5 {-0.28/19 130}
35. Nd5 {+1.09/27 86} Bc6 {-0.33/20 0} 36. Qd2 {+0.84/29 81} Qd6 {-0.30/20
0} 37. g4 {+0.93/29 72} Bxd5 {-0.30/19 89} 38. Qxd5 {+1.66/31 60} Qxd5
{-0.67/22 0} 39. Bxd5 {+1.87/31 16} Ng3 {-0.67/21 16} 40. Kb1 {+1.81/32 46}
Nf1 {-0.67/20 0} 41. Bc4 {+2.05/34 63} Nh2 {-1.35/20 0} 42. Bd8 {+1.96/34
66} Nxg4 {-0.67/19 0} 43. Bxa5 {+1.96/33 64} Nxh6 {-0.60/20 0} 44. Bb6
{+2.03/32 87} Nf5 {-0.74/20 0} 45. a5 {+1.84/32 85} Nd6 {-0.76/23 0} 46.
Bd3 {+1.95/29 64} Bd4 {-0.76/24 94} 47. b4 {+4.12/30 69} Nc8 {-0.78/20 77}
48. bxc5 {+4.12/30 0} g5 {-0.78/19 141} 49. Bf5 {+7.38/30 73} Nxb6
{-3.77/20 0} 50. cxb6 {+7.86/29 92} Kf8 {-3.77/19 0 Schwarz gibt auf} 1-0

[Event "CSTal3 NNUE 5'"]
[Site "ORION8"]
[Date "2022.02.03"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Chess System Tal 3 [5']"]
[Black "DeepHiarcs14WCSC [t1]"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2200"]
[ECO "B92"]
[Opening "Sizilanisch (Najdorf-Variante mit 6. Le2) 6.Be2 e5 7.Nb3 Be7 8.O-O O-O 9.Be3 Be6 10.Nd5"]
[Time "18"]
[Variation "Najdorf-Variante, Abweichungen, 6.Be3 e5 7.Nb3 Be6 8.f3 Be7 9.Qd2 Nbd7"]
[WhiteElo "2200"]
[TimeControl "60/3600:60/3600:60/3600"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "84"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be3 e5 7. Nb3 Be6 8.
f3 {+0.31/24 116} Be7 9. Qd2 {+0.15/25 145} h5 10. Nd5 {+0.35/25 152} Nxd5
11. exd5 {+0.26/25 93} Bf5 12. Be2 {+0.30/26 108} Bh4+ 13. g3 {+0.22/27
117} Be7 14. c4 {+0.19/25 112} Nd7 {-0.07/21 132} 15. Na5 {+0.19/25 0} Qc7
16. O-O {+0.15/24 73} O-O 17. b4 {+0.10/23 79} Nf6 18. Rad1 {+0.16/23 83}
Rfd8 19. Rfe1 {+0.31/22 63} Bd7 {0.00/22 179} 20. Bf1 {+0.31/25 21} b6
{+0.06/22 169} 21. Nb3 {+0.30/24 82} a5 {-0.04/22 181} 22. b5 {+0.72/25 73}
Rab8 {-0.06/22 0} 23. Qg2 {+1.02/23 97} Bf5 {+0.09/23 78} 24. h3 {+0.96/23
55} Rdc8 {+0.23/21 92} 25. g4 {+0.87/24 89} Bh7 {-0.03/22 241} 26. Nd2
{+0.90/24 61} Rf8 {-0.21/23 215} 27. Kh1 {+1.01/24 47} hxg4 {-0.01/22 88}
28. hxg4 {+1.01/24 0} Qd8 {0.00/22 84} 29. Be2 {+1.36/24 49} Bg6 {-0.18/22
79} 30. Rg1 {+1.63/25 68} Nd7 {-0.57/23 188} 31. g5 {+1.63/25 0} Nc5
{-0.71/22 118} 32. Qh2 {+1.63/25 0} f5 {-1.00/21 183} 33. gxf6 {+3.07/26
47} Rxf6 {-1.78/23 70} 34. Rg3 {+3.07/26 0} Bf8 {-2.13/23 153} 35. Rdg1
{+4.24/25 52} Bf5 {-2.64/25 176} 36. Bxc5 {+4.24/25 0} bxc5 {-2.64/24 49}
37. Ne4 {+4.24/25 30} Kf7 {-2.64/23 0} 38. Qh5+ {+5.35/30 82} g6 {-2.14/24
56} 39. Qh7+ {+5.33/29 13} Ke8 {-2.50/23 32} 40. Nxf6+ {+5.33/29 51} Qxf6
{-2.47/24 0} 41. Rxg6 {+5.61/27 58} Bxg6 {-3.46/22 44} 42. Rxg6 {+5.61/28
23} Rb7 {-3.39/25 35 Schwarz gibt auf} 1-0
[/pgn]

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[pgn][Event "CSTal3 NNUE 5'"]
[Site "ORION8"]
[Date "2022.02.03"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Chess System Tal 3 [5']"]
[Black "DeepShredder13UCIx64 [t1]"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2200"]
[ECO "B12"]
[Opening "Caro-Kann"]
[Time "19:53:00"]
[Variation "Vorstoß-Variante, 4.Nf3 e6"]
[WhiteElo "2200"]
[TimeControl "60/3600:60/3600:60/3600"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "96"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. e4 c6 2. d4 h6 3. Nf3 d5 4. e5 Bf5 5. Nc3 e6 6. Bd3 Ne7 7. O-O Nd7
{-0.16/27 75} 8. Ne2 {+0.11/23 103} Bxd3 {-0.17/30 75} 9. Qxd3 {+0.14/23
52} c5 {-0.13/28 60} 10. c4 {+0.13/24 148} Rc8 {-0.11/29 71} 11. Rd1
{+0.09/25 130} dxc4 {-0.08/31 24} 12. Qxc4 {+0.09/22 84} Nb6 {-0.13/30 10}
13. Qd3 {+0.17/25 140} c4 {-0.11/31 26} 14. Qe4 {+0.15/25 90} Ned5 {0.00/33
124} 15. h4 {+0.22/25 100} Na4 {+0.22/31 104} 16. Rf1 {+0.11/24 109} Qd7
{+0.30/29 87} 17. h5 {+0.51/24 67} b5 {+0.10/29 158} 18. Qg4 {+0.51/24 0}
a5 {0.00/31 78} 19. Re1 {+0.60/25 102} b4 {+0.11/31 76} 20. b3 {+0.60/25 0}
Nab6 {+0.33/30 58} 21. bxc4 {+0.67/26 71} Nxc4 {-0.06/29 164} 22. Bd2
{+0.67/26 0} a4 {+0.18/31 51} 23. Rec1 {+0.55/25 74} Qb7 {+0.14/31 4} 24.
Rab1 {+0.34/25 94} b3 {+0.06/32 93} 25. axb3 {+0.57/25 72} axb3 {0.00/35 0}
26. Nf4 {+0.19/25 84} b2 {0.00/35 0} 27. Rxc4 {+1.40/27 55} Rxc4 {0.00/38
12} 28. Nxd5 {+1.42/29 67} Qxd5 {0.00/39 14} 29. Rxb2 {+1.34/26 2} Rc8
{0.00/40 149} 30. Rb6 {+1.34/26 0} Rd8 {0.00/37 72} 31. Be3 {+1.40/26 51}
Qa5 {-0.32/32 190} 32. Rb7 {+1.48/27 64} Qd5 {-0.35/35 213} 33. Rc7
{+1.48/27 0} Rh7 {-0.24/34 84} 34. Nh4 {+1.94/26 54} Rd7 {-0.46/31 101} 35.
Rc2 {+1.94/26 0} Rh8 {-0.41/33 156} 36. Kh2 {+1.94/26 0} Rg8 {-0.65/27 70}
37. Bxh6 {+2.77/27 56} Qb7 {-0.72/30 5} 38. Bg5 {+2.73/25 78} Be7 {-1.14/33
176} 39. Bxe7 {+2.73/25 0} Kxe7 {-1.51/31 133} 40. Rc3 {+2.73/25 0} Kf8
{-1.30/29 156} 41. Rg3 {+2.73/25 0} Qb1 {-1.50/31 65} 42. Rf3 {+2.73/27 30}
Qa2 {-1.55/31 5} 43. Qg5 {+2.92/25 130} Qa7 {-1.78/33 75} 44. Rf4 {+3.64/27
90} Qc7 {-1.22/30 75} 45. g3 {+3.57/30 79} Qb7 {-1.29/31 44} 46. Rg4
{+5.02/27 71} Qb2 {-3.12/27 65} 47. Qf4 {+4.98/28 6} Ke7 {-4.03/31 93} 48.
h6 {+6.88/29 86} Rxd4 {-4.03/31 1 Schwarz gibt auf} 1-0[/pgn]
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PostSubject: Re: New Release Announcement Rebel-14-Chess-System-Tal [NNUE]   New Release Announcement Rebel-14-Chess-System-Tal [NNUE] EmptyThu Feb 03, 2022 10:43 pm

Mclane wrote:
[pgn][Event "CSTal3 NNUE 5'"]
[Site "ORION8"]
[Date "2022.02.03"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Chess System Tal 3 [5']"]
[Black "DeepShredder13UCIx64 [t1]"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2200"]
[ECO "B12"]
[Opening "Caro-Kann"]
[Time "19"]
[Variation "Vorstoß-Variante, 4.Nf3 e6"]
[WhiteElo "2200"]
[TimeControl "60/3600:60/3600:60/3600"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "96"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. e4 c6 2. d4 h6 3. Nf3 d5 4. e5 Bf5 5. Nc3 e6 6. Bd3 Ne7 7. O-O Nd7
{-0.16/27 75} 8. Ne2 {+0.11/23 103} Bxd3 {-0.17/30 75} 9. Qxd3 {+0.14/23
52} c5 {-0.13/28 60} 10. c4 {+0.13/24 148} Rc8 {-0.11/29 71} 11. Rd1
{+0.09/25 130} dxc4 {-0.08/31 24} 12. Qxc4 {+0.09/22 84} Nb6 {-0.13/30 10}
13. Qd3 {+0.17/25 140} c4 {-0.11/31 26} 14. Qe4 {+0.15/25 90} Ned5 {0.00/33
124} 15. h4 {+0.22/25 100} Na4 {+0.22/31 104} 16. Rf1 {+0.11/24 109} Qd7
{+0.30/29 87} 17. h5 {+0.51/24 67} b5 {+0.10/29 158} 18. Qg4 {+0.51/24 0}
a5 {0.00/31 78} 19. Re1 {+0.60/25 102} b4 {+0.11/31 76} 20. b3 {+0.60/25 0}
Nab6 {+0.33/30 58} 21. bxc4 {+0.67/26 71} Nxc4 {-0.06/29 164} 22. Bd2
{+0.67/26 0} a4 {+0.18/31 51} 23. Rec1 {+0.55/25 74} Qb7 {+0.14/31 4} 24.
Rab1 {+0.34/25 94} b3 {+0.06/32 93} 25. axb3 {+0.57/25 72} axb3 {0.00/35 0}
26. Nf4 {+0.19/25 84} b2 {0.00/35 0} 27. Rxc4 {+1.40/27 55} Rxc4 {0.00/38
12} 28. Nxd5 {+1.42/29 67} Qxd5 {0.00/39 14} 29. Rxb2 {+1.34/26 2} Rc8
{0.00/40 149} 30. Rb6 {+1.34/26 0} Rd8 {0.00/37 72} 31. Be3 {+1.40/26 51}
Qa5 {-0.32/32 190} 32. Rb7 {+1.48/27 64} Qd5 {-0.35/35 213} 33. Rc7
{+1.48/27 0} Rh7 {-0.24/34 84} 34. Nh4 {+1.94/26 54} Rd7 {-0.46/31 101} 35.
Rc2 {+1.94/26 0} Rh8 {-0.41/33 156} 36. Kh2 {+1.94/26 0} Rg8 {-0.65/27 70}
37. Bxh6 {+2.77/27 56} Qb7 {-0.72/30 5} 38. Bg5 {+2.73/25 78} Be7 {-1.14/33
176} 39. Bxe7 {+2.73/25 0} Kxe7 {-1.51/31 133} 40. Rc3 {+2.73/25 0} Kf8
{-1.30/29 156} 41. Rg3 {+2.73/25 0} Qb1 {-1.50/31 65} 42. Rf3 {+2.73/27 30}
Qa2 {-1.55/31 5} 43. Qg5 {+2.92/25 130} Qa7 {-1.78/33 75} 44. Rf4 {+3.64/27
90} Qc7 {-1.22/30 75} 45. g3 {+3.57/30 79} Qb7 {-1.29/31 44} 46. Rg4
{+5.02/27 71} Qb2 {-3.12/27 65} 47. Qf4 {+4.98/28 6} Ke7 {-4.03/31 93} 48.
h6 {+6.88/29 86} Rxd4 {-4.03/31 1 Schwarz gibt auf} 1-0[/pgn]

Crazy game. What was it doing?
then the very nice exchange sac on move 27 and it gradually became clear. Black could hardly move.

Stared at 44 Rf4 for a while thinking why can't black just take on d4?

Black just had no moves. Very nice.

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Mclane wrote:
chess system tal 3 nnue 5'

examples----

60/60
ryzen 5 3600
1 thread each engine
ponder ON


[pgn]
[Event "CSTal3 NNUE 5'"]
[Site "ORION8"]
[Date "2022.02.03"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Chess System Tal 3 [5']"]
[Black "Deep Rybka 4.1 x64 [t1]"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2200"]
[ECO "B21"]
[Opening "Sizilianisch"]
[Time "17"]
[Variation "Morra-Gambit, 4.Nxc3 Nc6 5.Nf3 e6"]
[WhiteElo "2200"]
[TimeControl "60/3600:60/3600:60/3600"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "100"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Nb3 Bb6 6. Nc3 Ne7 7. Bf4 d5
{-0.31/19 201} 8. Qf3 {+0.61/23 132} O-O {-0.30/19 0} 9. O-O-O {+1.17/25
90} d4 {-0.24/21 219} 10. Qg3 {+1.17/25 0} Nbc6 {-0.24/21 132} 11. Kb1
{+1.17/25 0} Ng6 {0.00/20 202} 12. Bc1 {+1.17/25 0} Qe7 {-0.08/19 170} 13.
Na4 {+0.57/26 83} Bc7 {-0.08/18 0} 14. f4 {+0.79/26 101} b6 {-0.12/18 0}
15. c3 {+0.43/25 144} dxc3 {-0.07/19 49} 16. Nxc3 {+0.39/24 41} Bb7
{-0.07/19 20} 17. h4 {+0.94/27 83} Rfd8 {-0.07/18 0} 18. Rxd8+ {+0.86/26
91} Rxd8 {-0.07/19 0} 19. h5 {+0.80/28 84} Nf8 {-0.03/20 0} 20. h6
{+0.79/27 72} g6 {-0.03/20 0} 21. Be2 {+0.80/26 105} Nd7 {0.00/19 0} 22.
Be3 {+0.87/26 76} Nc5 {0.00/20 142} 23. Nxc5 {+0.87/26 0} bxc5 {0.00/22 71}
24. Rc1 {+0.87/25 1} Nd4 {+0.15/18 145} 25. Bc4 {+0.87/25 13} a5 {+0.17/19
98} 26. a4 {+0.53/24 86} Rd7 {+0.15/19 256} 27. Rd1 {+0.52/22 103} Bc6
{+0.17/19 92} 28. Qf2 {+0.52/23 10} Qe8 {0.00/18 231} 29. Ka2 {+0.58/23 63}
Qb8 {0.00/17 75} 30. b3 {+0.61/23 87} Qf8 {0.00/18 0} 31. f5 {+0.59/23 52}
exf5 {0.00/18 0} 32. exf5 {+1.30/23 59} Nxf5 {-0.16/20 0} 33. Rxd7
{+0.72/26 60} Bxd7 {-0.16/21 0} 34. Bg5 {+1.10/28 75} Be5 {-0.28/19 130}
35. Nd5 {+1.09/27 86} Bc6 {-0.33/20 0} 36. Qd2 {+0.84/29 81} Qd6 {-0.30/20
0} 37. g4 {+0.93/29 72} Bxd5 {-0.30/19 89} 38. Qxd5 {+1.66/31 60} Qxd5
{-0.67/22 0} 39. Bxd5 {+1.87/31 16} Ng3 {-0.67/21 16} 40. Kb1 {+1.81/32 46}
Nf1 {-0.67/20 0} 41. Bc4 {+2.05/34 63} Nh2 {-1.35/20 0} 42. Bd8 {+1.96/34
66} Nxg4 {-0.67/19 0} 43. Bxa5 {+1.96/33 64} Nxh6 {-0.60/20 0} 44. Bb6
{+2.03/32 87} Nf5 {-0.74/20 0} 45. a5 {+1.84/32 85} Nd6 {-0.76/23 0} 46.
Bd3 {+1.95/29 64} Bd4 {-0.76/24 94} 47. b4 {+4.12/30 69} Nc8 {-0.78/20 77}
48. bxc5 {+4.12/30 0} g5 {-0.78/19 141} 49. Bf5 {+7.38/30 73} Nxb6
{-3.77/20 0} 50. cxb6 {+7.86/29 92} Kf8 {-3.77/19 0 Schwarz gibt auf} 1-0

[Event "CSTal3 NNUE 5'"]
[Site "ORION8"]
[Date "2022.02.03"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Chess System Tal 3 [5']"]
[Black "DeepHiarcs14WCSC [t1]"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2200"]
[ECO "B92"]
[Opening "Sizilanisch (Najdorf-Variante mit 6. Le2) 6.Be2 e5 7.Nb3 Be7 8.O-O O-O 9.Be3 Be6 10.Nd5"]
[Time "18"]
[Variation "Najdorf-Variante, Abweichungen, 6.Be3 e5 7.Nb3 Be6 8.f3 Be7 9.Qd2 Nbd7"]
[WhiteElo "2200"]
[TimeControl "60/3600:60/3600:60/3600"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "84"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be3 e5 7. Nb3 Be6 8.
f3 {+0.31/24 116} Be7 9. Qd2 {+0.15/25 145} h5 10. Nd5 {+0.35/25 152} Nxd5
11. exd5 {+0.26/25 93} Bf5 12. Be2 {+0.30/26 108} Bh4+ 13. g3 {+0.22/27
117} Be7 14. c4 {+0.19/25 112} Nd7 {-0.07/21 132} 15. Na5 {+0.19/25 0} Qc7
16. O-O {+0.15/24 73} O-O 17. b4 {+0.10/23 79} Nf6 18. Rad1 {+0.16/23 83}
Rfd8 19. Rfe1 {+0.31/22 63} Bd7 {0.00/22 179} 20. Bf1 {+0.31/25 21} b6
{+0.06/22 169} 21. Nb3 {+0.30/24 82} a5 {-0.04/22 181} 22. b5 {+0.72/25 73}
Rab8 {-0.06/22 0} 23. Qg2 {+1.02/23 97} Bf5 {+0.09/23 78} 24. h3 {+0.96/23
55} Rdc8 {+0.23/21 92} 25. g4 {+0.87/24 89} Bh7 {-0.03/22 241} 26. Nd2
{+0.90/24 61} Rf8 {-0.21/23 215} 27. Kh1 {+1.01/24 47} hxg4 {-0.01/22 88}
28. hxg4 {+1.01/24 0} Qd8 {0.00/22 84} 29. Be2 {+1.36/24 49} Bg6 {-0.18/22
79} 30. Rg1 {+1.63/25 68} Nd7 {-0.57/23 188} 31. g5 {+1.63/25 0} Nc5
{-0.71/22 118} 32. Qh2 {+1.63/25 0} f5 {-1.00/21 183} 33. gxf6 {+3.07/26
47} Rxf6 {-1.78/23 70} 34. Rg3 {+3.07/26 0} Bf8 {-2.13/23 153} 35. Rdg1
{+4.24/25 52} Bf5 {-2.64/25 176} 36. Bxc5 {+4.24/25 0} bxc5 {-2.64/24 49}
37. Ne4 {+4.24/25 30} Kf7 {-2.64/23 0} 38. Qh5+ {+5.35/30 82} g6 {-2.14/24
56} 39. Qh7+ {+5.33/29 13} Ke8 {-2.50/23 32} 40. Nxf6+ {+5.33/29 51} Qxf6
{-2.47/24 0} 41. Rxg6 {+5.61/27 58} Bxg6 {-3.46/22 44} 42. Rxg6 {+5.61/28
23} Rb7 {-3.39/25 35 Schwarz gibt auf} 1-0
[/pgn]

h4 h5 h6 it likes that a lot,

I couldn't understand the ending. A win? How? Two pawns down or something? Madness.

Thorsten, there's a game against Zappa Mexico you sent me in an earlier batch, Tal was white I think. Ending with KRBPPP vs KRNPPPP, pawn down ending. It won. How? I'ld seen the result, and couldn't imagine how Tal wins. Draw at best, most people would think.
Well, here's how, you sacrifice first the bishop then the rook and play K against KRN and win. Unbelievable!

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Yes its magic.

Its IMO terrible that the rating guys only add the points intoa 4 number digit without looking into the games.
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Its IMO terrible that the rating guys only add the points intoa 4 number digit without looking into the games.


There you go. Logistics win wars - but books about the logistics of historical wars soon go out of print. On the other hand, films about the wars with a protagonist we can root for who's saving the day by carrying out recklessly brave deeds and who romantically wins the girl in the end sell every seat in the theatre! Very Happy
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There are no girls in the computer chess world
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new tournament finished:


CST3

PlatzMotorPunkteChChDeDeSeEnCrZaBeCoS-B
01Chiron-5-64bit [t1] 73,5/90· ·· ·· ·· ··0110==11=1==1=1===11111=1=11=1=11111=11==011===1111=11111=111101=11111111=111=11111111=111 2982,50 
02Chess System Tal 3 [5'] 58,5/901001==00=0· ·· ·· ·· ··10==11=110101==0100=101=0000101110101111111=11=11=1111011=1101101111=1=1111=1=1= 2332,25 
03Deep Rybka 4.1 x64 [t1] 56,0/90==0=0===0001==00=001· ·· ·· ·· ··01110==1==1==0==001=1======11=1==11=01111====01111=11=11111111111=1=11 2163,75 
04DeepHiarcs14WCSC [t1] 52,5/90000=0=00=0010==1011=10001==0==· ·· ·· ·· ··====0=110=100=0111=11=0=1==01==1=1111==1111=111==111101111=1 2017,25 
05Senpai_20-bmi2-x64 [t1] 50,0/90=00000=00=010=1111010==1==110=====1=001=· ·· ·· ·· ··=0=0=01000=10=00=111==11===1==0111=1=1=111111=1111 1957,25 
06EngineDeepShredder13UCIx64 [t1]43,5/90=100===00000010100000======00=011=1000=0=1=1=10111· ·· ·· ·· ··10100=11101010001011111110010010=1=11011 1775,75 
07Crafty-25-64-uci-ja 39,5/900=00000=00000=00=00=0==00=10000=1=0==10==01=11=00001011=0001· ·· ·· ·· ··==00==1=0=11=11=10=1111111=111 1442,25 
08Zappa Mexico II x64 [t1] 34,5/900010=000000000100=000====10000=0=0000==0==00===0==0101110100==11==0=1=· ·· ·· ·· ··=001=010==110==11111 1330,50 
09Benjamin 1.1 26,5/90000=000=0010010000=0=00=000000000=000==01000=0=0=0000001101100=00=01=0=110=101==· ·· ·· ·· ··100=1110== 1044,50 
10Colossus2021b [pb] 15,5/90000000=000=0000=0=0=00000=0=0000010000=000000=000001=0=00100000000=000001==00000011=0001==· ·· ·· ·· ·· 652,00 


450 Partien gespielt / Turnier beendet

Beginn des Turniers: 2022.01.30, 14:58:41
Letzte Aktualisierung: 2022.02.05, 14:07:17
Ort/ Land: DESKTOP-D269HUC, Deutschland
Spielstufe: Turnier 40/5
Hardware: AMD Ryzen 9 3950X mit Nvidia Geforce RTX 3060 mit 12 GB Speicher
Betriebssystem: Windows 10 Enterprise Professional (Build 9200)
PGN-Datei: cst3.pgn
Tabelle erstellt mit: Arena 2.0.1

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a good result, although the majority of engines in this tournament should no longer be competitive with Rebel Tal5, the number of games is insufficient in my opinion, currently I am testing Tal5, whereby it is important for the assessment that here all Rebel and LG run with 1 thread, all others with 2 threads, however, these are only informal tests for me, nothing more

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Why do the others run with 2 threads ???

Or do you mean while all other engines run with 2, in this test rebel and opponent with 1 thread.

Yes rebel is limited to 1 thread. But this also helps on big machines. You can do many tournaments on ONE machine.


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There are no girls in the computer chess world


If we bring some high profile alpha males into the computer chess world, the girls will soon follow. Smile
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because this has been my setting to Arena since the beginning, I have played many thousands of games with this setting. Originally this was to give Lc0 on CPU a chance as well, because it was still very weak. For me this is just an informal test where I can roughly assess how strong new engines are and which test opponents I should use for official tests. For my CEGT tests I use a current notebook from HP and all Engines with 1CPU.

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TheSelfImprover wrote:
Mclane wrote:
There are no girls in the computer chess world


If we bring some high profile alpha males into the computer chess world, the girls will soon follow. Smile

This is sexistical. Girls are clever enough to kill us in chess or any other topic.
Ever heard of marie curie or lou andreas salome or bertha von suttner or camille claudel or petra kelly or ulrike meinhof or jutta Ditfurth?!

Rosa luxemburg?!
Girls Are very clever !!
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Mclane wrote:
TheSelfImprover wrote:
Mclane wrote:
There are no girls in the computer chess world


If we bring some high profile alpha males into the computer chess world, the girls will soon follow. Smile

This is sexistical. Girls are clever enough to kill us in chess or any other topic.
Ever heard of marie curie or lou andreas salome or bertha von suttner or camille claudel or petra kelly or ulrike meinhof or jutta Ditfurth?!

Rosa luxemburg?!
Girls Are very clever !!


If you put girls on a pedestal as something to be worshipped and admired, you won't be successful with them because they'll think you're not worthy of them: this is one of the things that the "bad boys" get right while the "good guys" get it wrong! Sad
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Those women are dead. And they are mostly part of womens liberation.
Lou andreas salome e.g. was in between

Rainer maria rilke
Nietzsche
Freud

Snd she gave all 3 mothersons a kick in the ass an married somebody else.

The 3 were the most important germans/austrians at that time.

She was a real femme fatale like i love it.
I have a faible for intelligent women.
But i would never put them down or make sexistic jokes.
I want the end of patriarchat.


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On my end with Arena everything runs okay, maybe you can contribute 1) the version you are using and 2) a position example in fen / epd or pgn format.

I'm using 3.5.1 arena windows and I've tried the 1,2,5,10 minute nets all the same crash. Don't know how similar they are but I have a ssse stockfish that works fine.

I was using this pgn from chess.com at the time but analyzing with anything crashes the engine

[Event "Live Chess"]
[Site "Chess.com"]
[Date "2022.02.02"]
[Round "?"]
[White "adg132"]
[Black "SuperNezhmetdinov"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B23"]
[WhiteElo "1713"]
[BlackElo "1719"]
[TimeControl "180"]
[EndTime "16:08:04 PST"]
[Termination "Game drawn by repetition"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 g6 3. Bc4 Bg7 4. d3 Nc6 5. Nf3 e6 6. O-O Nge7 7. a3 O-O 8. Be3
b6 9. Bb5 d5 10. Bxc6 Nxc6 11. Na2 Bb7 12. exd5 exd5 13. c3 d4 14. Bd2 Re8 15.
cxd4 Nxd4 16. Nxd4 Bxd4 17. Bc3 Qd5 18. Qg4 h5 19. Qg3 h4 20. Qg4 Bxc3 21. Nxc3
Qxd3 22. Rfd1 Qc2 23. Rab1 Ba6 24. Qxh4 Be2 25. Rdc1 Qf5 26. Nxe2 Rxe2 27. Rf1
Rae8 28. Qg3 Qe5 29. b4 Qxg3 30. hxg3 Ra2 31. bxc5 bxc5 32. Rbc1 Re5 33. Rc3 Kg7
34. Rfc1 Ree2 35. Rf1 Re5 36. Kh2 Rh5+ 37. Kg1 Re5 1/2-1/2
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First use version 2.0.1 this is less buggy.
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Mclane wrote:
First use version 2.0.1 this is less buggy.

I don't think it's arena, I tried scid and Lucas chess as well and it crashed in them both. My computer is just old most likely
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You need avx2
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I use the sse version with Shredder GUI and Aquarium, and it works fine. I will test CSTal and Rebel under Lucas chess to see if I can reproduce the problem.
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What about a tournament of Tal engines?
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