I couldn't understand the ending. A win? How? Two pawns down or something? Madness.
Thorsten, there's a game against Zappa Mexico you sent me in an earlier batch, Tal was white I think. Ending with KRBPPP vs KRNPPPP, pawn down ending. It won. How? I'ld seen the result, and couldn't imagine how Tal wins. Draw at best, most people would think. Well, here's how, you sacrifice first the bishop then the rook and play K against KRN and win. Unbelievable!
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Mclane
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Subject: Re: New Release Announcement Rebel-14-Chess-System-Tal [NNUE] Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:07 pm
Yes its magic.
Its IMO terrible that the rating guys only add the points intoa 4 number digit without looking into the games.
TheSelfImprover
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Subject: Re: New Release Announcement Rebel-14-Chess-System-Tal [NNUE] Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:47 pm
Mclane wrote:
Its IMO terrible that the rating guys only add the points intoa 4 number digit without looking into the games.
There you go. Logistics win wars - but books about the logistics of historical wars soon go out of print. On the other hand, films about the wars with a protagonist we can root for who's saving the day by carrying out recklessly brave deeds and who romantically wins the girl in the end sell every seat in the theatre!
Mclane
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Subject: Re: New Release Announcement Rebel-14-Chess-System-Tal [NNUE] Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:53 pm
There are no girls in the computer chess world
Mclane
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Subject: Re: New Release Announcement Rebel-14-Chess-System-Tal [NNUE] Sat Feb 05, 2022 7:38 pm
new tournament finished:
CST3
Platz
Motor
Punkte
Ch
Ch
De
De
Se
En
Cr
Za
Be
Co
S-B
01
Chiron-5-64bit [t1]
73,5/90
· ·· ·· ·· ··
0110==11=1
==1=1===11
111=1=11=1
=11111=11=
=011===111
1=11111=11
1101=11111
111=111=11
111111=111
 2982,50Â
02
Chess System Tal 3 [5']
58,5/90
1001==00=0
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10==11=110
101==0100=
101=000010
1110101111
111=11=11=
1111011=11
01101111=1
=1111=1=1=
 2332,25Â
03
Deep Rybka 4.1 x64 [t1]
56,0/90
==0=0===00
01==00=001
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01110==1==
1==0==001=
1======11=
1==11=0111
1====01111
=11=111111
11111=1=11
 2163,75Â
04
DeepHiarcs14WCSC [t1]
52,5/90
000=0=00=0
010==1011=
10001==0==
· ·· ·· ·· ··
====0=110=
100=0111=1
1=0=1==01=
=1=1111==1
111=111==1
11101111=1
 2017,25Â
05
Senpai_20-bmi2-x64 [t1]
50,0/90
=00000=00=
010=111101
0==1==110=
====1=001=
· ·· ·· ·· ··
=0=0=01000
=10=00=111
==11===1==
0111=1=1=1
11111=1111
 1957,25Â
06
EngineDeepShredder13UCIx64 [t1]
43,5/90
=100===000
0001010000
0======00=
011=1000=0
=1=1=10111
· ·· ·· ·· ··
10100=1110
1010001011
1111100100
10=1=11011
 1775,75Â
07
Crafty-25-64-uci-ja
39,5/90
0=00000=00
000=00=00=
0==00=1000
0=1=0==10=
=01=11=000
01011=0001
· ·· ·· ·· ··
==00==1=0=
11=11=10=1
111111=111
 1442,25Â
08
Zappa Mexico II x64 [t1]
34,5/90
0010=00000
0000100=00
0====10000
=0=0000==0
==00===0==
0101110100
==11==0=1=
· ·· ·· ·· ··
=001=010==
110==11111
 1330,50Â
09
Benjamin 1.1
26,5/90
000=000=00
10010000=0
=00=000000
000=000==0
1000=0=0=0
0000011011
00=00=01=0
=110=101==
· ·· ·· ·· ··
100=1110==
 1044,50Â
10
Colossus2021b [pb]
15,5/90
000000=000
=0000=0=0=
00000=0=00
00010000=0
00000=0000
01=0=00100
000000=000
001==00000
011=0001==
· ·· ·· ·· ··
 652,00Â
450 Partien gespielt / Turnier beendet
Beginn des Turniers: 2022.01.30, 14:58:41 Letzte Aktualisierung: 2022.02.05, 14:07:17 Ort/ Land: DESKTOP-D269HUC, Deutschland Spielstufe: Turnier 40/5 Hardware: AMD Ryzen 9 3950X mit Nvidia Geforce RTX 3060 mit 12 GB Speicher Betriebssystem: Windows 10 Enterprise Professional (Build 9200) PGN-Datei:cst3.pgn Tabelle erstellt mit:Arena 2.0.1
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Dio
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Subject: Re: New Release Announcement Rebel-14-Chess-System-Tal [NNUE] Sat Feb 05, 2022 8:42 pm
a good result, although the majority of engines in this tournament should no longer be competitive with Rebel Tal5, the number of games is insufficient in my opinion, currently I am testing Tal5, whereby it is important for the assessment that here all Rebel and LG run with 1 thread, all others with 2 threads, however, these are only informal tests for me, nothing more
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Subject: Re: New Release Announcement Rebel-14-Chess-System-Tal [NNUE] Sat Feb 05, 2022 9:49 pm
Why do the others run with 2 threads ???
Or do you mean while all other engines run with 2, in this test rebel and opponent with 1 thread.
Yes rebel is limited to 1 thread. But this also helps on big machines. You can do many tournaments on ONE machine.
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TheSelfImprover
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Subject: Re: New Release Announcement Rebel-14-Chess-System-Tal [NNUE] Sat Feb 05, 2022 10:00 pm
Mclane wrote:
There are no girls in the computer chess world
If we bring some high profile alpha males into the computer chess world, the girls will soon follow.
Dio
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Subject: Re: New Release Announcement Rebel-14-Chess-System-Tal [NNUE] Sat Feb 05, 2022 10:01 pm
because this has been my setting to Arena since the beginning, I have played many thousands of games with this setting. Originally this was to give Lc0 on CPU a chance as well, because it was still very weak. For me this is just an informal test where I can roughly assess how strong new engines are and which test opponents I should use for official tests. For my CEGT tests I use a current notebook from HP and all Engines with 1CPU.
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Subject: Re: New Release Announcement Rebel-14-Chess-System-Tal [NNUE] Sat Feb 05, 2022 10:07 pm
TheSelfImprover wrote:
Mclane wrote:
There are no girls in the computer chess world
If we bring some high profile alpha males into the computer chess world, the girls will soon follow.
This is sexistical. Girls are clever enough to kill us in chess or any other topic. Ever heard of marie curie or lou andreas salome or bertha von suttner or camille claudel or petra kelly or ulrike meinhof or jutta Ditfurth?!
Rosa luxemburg?! Girls Are very clever !!
TheSelfImprover
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Subject: Re: New Release Announcement Rebel-14-Chess-System-Tal [NNUE] Sat Feb 05, 2022 10:15 pm
Mclane wrote:
TheSelfImprover wrote:
Mclane wrote:
There are no girls in the computer chess world
If we bring some high profile alpha males into the computer chess world, the girls will soon follow.
This is sexistical. Girls are clever enough to kill us in chess or any other topic. Ever heard of marie curie or lou andreas salome or bertha von suttner or camille claudel or petra kelly or ulrike meinhof or jutta Ditfurth?!
Rosa luxemburg?! Girls Are very clever !!
If you put girls on a pedestal as something to be worshipped and admired, you won't be successful with them because they'll think you're not worthy of them: this is one of the things that the "bad boys" get right while the "good guys" get it wrong!
Mclane
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Subject: Re: New Release Announcement Rebel-14-Chess-System-Tal [NNUE] Sat Feb 05, 2022 10:31 pm
Those women are dead. And they are mostly part of womens liberation. Lou andreas salome e.g. was in between
Rainer maria rilke Nietzsche Freud
Snd she gave all 3 mothersons a kick in the ass an married somebody else.
The 3 were the most important germans/austrians at that time.
She was a real femme fatale like i love it. I have a faible for intelligent women. But i would never put them down or make sexistic jokes. I want the end of patriarchat.
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koolaidsa
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Subject: Re: New Release Announcement Rebel-14-Chess-System-Tal [NNUE] Sat Feb 05, 2022 10:35 pm
Admin wrote:
On my end with Arena everything runs okay, maybe you can contribute 1) the version you are using and 2) a position example in fen / epd or pgn format.
I'm using 3.5.1 arena windows and I've tried the 1,2,5,10 minute nets all the same crash. Don't know how similar they are but I have a ssse stockfish that works fine.
I was using this pgn from chess.com at the time but analyzing with anything crashes the engine
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Subject: Re: New Release Announcement Rebel-14-Chess-System-Tal [NNUE] Sat Feb 05, 2022 10:36 pm
First use version 2.0.1 this is less buggy.
koolaidsa
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Subject: Re: New Release Announcement Rebel-14-Chess-System-Tal [NNUE] Sun Feb 06, 2022 12:52 am
Mclane wrote:
First use version 2.0.1 this is less buggy.
I don't think it's arena, I tried scid and Lucas chess as well and it crashed in them both. My computer is just old most likely
Mclane
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Subject: Re: New Release Announcement Rebel-14-Chess-System-Tal [NNUE] Sun Feb 06, 2022 8:22 am
You need avx2
matejst
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Subject: Re: New Release Announcement Rebel-14-Chess-System-Tal [NNUE] Sun Feb 06, 2022 1:15 pm
I use the sse version with Shredder GUI and Aquarium, and it works fine. I will test CSTal and Rebel under Lucas chess to see if I can reproduce the problem.
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Subject: Re: New Release Announcement Rebel-14-Chess-System-Tal [NNUE] Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:36 am
What about a tournament of Tal engines?
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