Don't know. Can't remember. Too busy with chess engine now.
But found out yesterday that pragmatic means independent and that afilliative means interdependent. Because I'm sure of being independent I must be pragmatic. That means only 8 types left over. According to the type Grid ISTJ is afilliative. So that would mean I am not an ISTJ.
But might still be type Grid contains errors. It is based on the work of Linda Berens.
Subject: Re: Be less INTP Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:04 am
All quicksand. Everybody has all these properties but it is about using some of them somewhat more. That makes it all confusing and fuzzy.
I'd say it's actually even worse than that! Our behaviour is contextual: which behaviour we exhibit can be critically dependent on either the situation we're in or who else is present. I think that's a major reason why it's so often so difficult to make a choice when taking these psychometric tests.
If, like me, you're trying to change yourself (for me, self improvement is a good thing - but "improving" is a type of "changing"), then you're likely to find yourself moving between categories.
But found out yesterday that pragmatic means independent and that afilliative means interdependent. Because I'm sure of being independent I must be pragmatic.
I agree that affiliative means interdependent (which is a very good thing when it works: good teams can run rings around an independent guy on his own: when a team is good, TEAM means Together Everyone Achieves More), but it's not clear to me how "pragmatic" means "independent": for me, "pragmatic" means find local maxima, in contrast to "conviction" which means head for the global maxima and ignore any local maximums being passed on the way.
A quick illustration of local maxima v global maxima (the pragmatic person will say that the smaller hill is closer and easier to climb, the conviction driven person will go straight for the larger hill to get the best position):
Subject: Re: Be less INTP Wed May 19, 2021 6:13 pm
I watched the video - interesting approach. It allows you to quickly assign a person to a category and build further interaction. But this approach is not universal, as it seems to me, and greatly simplifies many things...
Subject: Re: Be less INTP Thu May 20, 2021 4:01 pm
You mean the video of Eric ? Universal? It is only about (stupid) cognitive functions.
Looks like I am still obsessed to get my correct MBTI code which seems to be a tough problem to solve.
Saw another video lately that says that finding out your personality type is one of 8 essental things to do. Other questions where. Finding out your strengths and weaknesses, what makes you happy, how you deal with stress. Other four I already have forgotten.
Subject: Re: Be less INTP Mon May 31, 2021 11:31 am
Someone saying in a video. INTP's never listen to advice. They have to find out themselves (through experience)...
The title of this thread is "Be Less INTP". It's time to take that advice. We can always choose to change ourselves, though sometimes we will need to accept that the change is only going to be slow.
It might be that we cannot tackle our main bad habit straight away (without help, an alcoholic might not be able to stop drinking, a gamer might not be able to give up World Of Warcraft, a smoker might not be able to stop until they've had one more cigarette, a drug user might not be able to give up weed, a porn addict may not be able to prevent themselves from visiting skin websites etc).
However, ALL of us (and by that I mean literally everyone) can increase control in some areas of our lives, so this can be a starting point: as we build the habit of controlling our own brains so that they serve us rather than control us, we'll be able to then start cutting back on the habits we could not control before: for example, if you visit skin websites 5x per week, you could set a target of making only 4 visits the next week. The week after that it could be reduced to 3.
The main thing is to find honest ways to record your own behaviour, and to resolve to improve it at a steady but sustainable pace.
Your brain is the problem: you need to learn to control it. This is completely achievable - but it will probably take some time.
Being less INTP, and being more of what you want to be, is completely achievable, and the skill required is the same as the new computer chess skill: learning how to train a neural network!
Subject: Re: Be less INTP Mon May 31, 2021 4:30 pm
Other video I saw on youtube is that you can't expect people to change. One of the major mistakes some people make. Probably that was about expecting your girlfriend to change.
You can change people, but you'll probably need to be patient.
One serious dichotomy that you need to be aware of, though: if you demand that people change, they're likely to resist you and stay as they are (or get worse). If, however, you make them feel accepted for who they are (especially if you know the bad things about them that they wouldn't want people to know - and we all have those aspects of ourselves that we feel the need to hide), they're then quite likely to grow in confidence and become a better person!
Subject: Re: Be less INTP Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:15 am
While I was out jogging just now, and thinking about ways to improve my own productivity, I came up with a programme for an INTP ("INeed To Ponder") man to become less INTP (the subject of this thread):
1. Learn to notice when your brain is going into an unproductive ponder
If you have been INTP for a long time, going into a ponder may be so normal that you literally don't notice that you're doing it! I haven't tried this, but here's a possible remedy: set an alarm on your smartwatch/smartphone to go off every 30 minutes. When the alarm goes off, notice whether you're in an unproductive ponder or not. I think that this way, you can train yourself to learn when you're going into a ponder state that's using excessive system resource which would be better deployed on other tasks.
2. Cultivate the following habit: when you notice your brain going into an unproductive ponder, say "Shut up!" firmly to yourself (not out loud). This way, you can train your brain to avoid unproductive ponders.
We all know the game of chess here, but we often forget an important piece of the chess set: the clock! Unproductive pondering is like trying to take an hour per move in a timed game: no matter how much you know about chess piece patterns, you're going to lose every time!