Dragon 3.1 vs Stockfish 07/24/22, TC = 40/2hours vs 3m+2s LIVE

Posts : 880 Join date : 2020-11-25 Location : USA

Tablebases = 7 man top 10.
Book 8 move EPD
GUI = CuteChess
Hash = 16 GB.
8 Threads.
TC =3m + 2s vs 40/2hours
Contempt = default

Posts : 880 Join date : 2020-11-25 Location : USA

Now it is becoming clear why there has been no REAL progress with the newest NNUE engines.

Current score and match data. Current average move time for Stockfish, 4.1 seconds a move. lol!

Code:: Result:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  # name games wins draws losses score% elo + -
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 15 0 15 0 50.0 1 57 57
  2. Stockfish 240722 15 0 15 0 50.0 -1 57 57

Cross table:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  # name score% games 1 2
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 50.0 15 x ===============-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  2. Stockfish 240722 50.0 15 ===============------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- x

Tech:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Tech (average nodes, depths, time/m per move, others per game), counted for computing moves only, ignored moves with zero nodes:
  # name nodes/m NPS depth/m time/m moves time
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 2696187K 14090809 56.3 191.3 73.5 14057.4
  2. Stockfish 240722 42492K 10282859 49.4 4.1 73.6 304.1
   all --- 1336070K 14010168 52.8 97.7 73.5 7180.8

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Current CCRL rating list for context.

Dragon 3.1 vs Stockfish 07/24/22, TC = 40/2hours vs 3m+2s LIVE Ccrl_d10

Better bring back Tord Romstad as a sole developer of Stockfish... When there are too many developers working on a chess engine, there is a possibility of no improvement.

Posts : 880 Join date : 2020-11-25 Location : USA

Code:: Result:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  # name games wins draws losses score% elo + -
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 54 1 53 0 50.9 2 31 31
  2. Stockfish 240722 54 0 53 1 49.1 -2 31 31

Cross table:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  # name score% games 1 2
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 50.9 54 x =====================================================1----------------------------------------------
  2. Stockfish 240722 49.1 54 =====================================================0---------------------------------------------- x

Tech:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Tech (average nodes, depths, time/m per move, others per game), counted for computing moves only, ignored moves with zero nodes:
  # name nodes/m NPS depth/m time/m moves time
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 2193410K 11468979 55.4 191.2 78.1 14931.4
  2. Stockfish 240722 36018K 8832819 46.7 4.1 78.2 319.0
   all --- 1087589K 11413842 51.0 97.6 78.1 7625.2

[pgn][Event "Chess Tournament"]
[Site "*"]
[Date "2022.08.13"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit"]
[Black "Stockfish 240722"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/600+5"]
[Time "06:56:17"]
[Board "54"]
[Termination "mate"]
[FEN "rnbq1rk1/ppp3bp/3p1pp1/4p1B1/2PPP1n1/2N2N2/PP2BPPP/R2QK2R w KQ - c0 Gms: 759; c1 Score: 56.588%; c2 Draws: 39.921%; c3 Wins: 36.627%; c4 Losses: 23.452%;"]
[SetUp "1"]

1.Bh4 Na6 2.h3 Nh6 3.O-O Nf7 4.a3 c6
5.d5 Bd7 6.Nd2 Bh6 7.b4 c5 8.Rb1 b6
9.Qc2 Bf4 10.Qd3 Rc8 11.Nb5 Ra8 12.Bd1 Qe7
13.Re1 Rfc8 14.Nf1 Nc7 15.Nc3 Ne8 16.f3 Bg5
17.Bxg5 fxg5 18.Ba4 Bxa4 19.Nxa4 Qd7 20.Qc2 Nf6
21.bxc5 bxc5 22.Rb5 h5 23.g4 Qd8 24.Reb1 a6
25.R5b2 Rcb8 26.Qc3 Rxb2 27.Nxb2 Qd7 28.Nd1 h4
29.Nd2 Qc7 30.Kg2 Nd7 31.Ra1 Rb8 32.Kf1 Nd8
33.Nb2 Kf7 34.Rb1 Nf8 35.Ke1 Rb7 36.Kf2 Nd7
37.Ke2 Kg7 38.Kd1 Rb8 39.Nb3 Kf7 40.Kc2 Kg7
41.Na4 Nf7 42.Kd3 Qc8 43.Nb2 Qc7 44.Nd2 Rb7
45.Rf1 Rb8 46.Ra1 Kg8 47.Kc2 Kf8 48.Rc1 Nd8
49.Rb1 Kf7 50.Rf1 Kg7 51.Rg1 Kf6 52.Ra1 Ke7
53.Rf1 Nf8 54.Rb1 Kf6 55.Nb3 Nd7 56.Nd2 Kf7
57.Ra1 Kg7 58.Kd3 Kf6 59.Ke2 Kg7 60.Kd1 Nf7
61.Ra2 Qd8 62.Ke2 Qc7 63.Nd3 Nb6 64.a4 Kh7
65.Ra1 Nd7 66.Nb3 Rb6 67.Ra2 Qc8 68.Nd2 Qd8
69.Ra1 Qc8 70.Kd1 Qd8 71.Kc2 Rb7 72.Nb3 Qf6
73.Nd2 Qd8 74.Rf1 Rb6 75.Rc1 Rb8 76.Re1 Rb6
77.Rh1 Rb8 78.Rc1 Rb7 79.Ra1 Kg7 80.Ra2 Kg8
81.Ra3 Kh8 82.Kd1 Qc8 83.Qc2 Qc7 84.Ra1 Qa5
85.Nb3 Qb6 86.Ra3 Qc7 87.Qc3 Nf6 88.Ke2 Kh7
89.Kd1 Nd7 90.Na5 Rb1+ 91.Ke2 Rh1 92.Nf2 Rb1
93.Nb3 Qb8 94.Nd3 Nh6 95.Qc2 Rh1 96.Nd2 Rxh3
97.Nf1 Rh1 98.Rb3 Qd8 99.Rb7 Kg8 100.Ke1 Kf8
101.Qg2 Qa5+ 102.Ke2 Rxf1 103.Qxf1 Ke7 104.Qd1 Nf7
105.Qb3 Ke8 106.Ra7 Nd8 107.Qb5 axb5 108.Rxa5 bxa4
109.Ra6 Ke7 110.Nf2 a3 111.Rxa3 Nb6 112.Ra7+ Ke8
113.Kd3 Nc8 114.Rc7 Nb6 115.Nh3 Nd7 116.Nxg5 Ke7
117.Ra7 Ke8 118.Kc3 Nb6 119.Kb3 Nc8 120.Rh7 Nb6
121.Ne6 Nf7 122.Rxh4 Ke7 123.g5 Kd7 124.Rh6 Nc8
125.Ka4 Nb6+ 126.Kb3 Nc8 127.Rh7 Ke8 128.Rg7 Ne7
129.Ka4 Nh8 130.Ka5 Nf7 131.Kb6 Nxd5+ 132.exd5 e4
133.Rxf7 Kxf7 134.fxe4 Kg8 135.Kc7 Kf7 136.Kd7 Kg8
137.Ke7 Kh8 138.e5 dxe5 139.d6 Kg8 140.d7 e4
141.d8=Q+ Kh7 142.Kf7 e3 143.Qg8# 1-0 [/pgn]

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After 80 games Dragon 3.1 leads by +2 wins.

[pgn][Event "Chess Tournament"]
[Site "*"]
[Date "2022.08.17"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit"]
[Black "Stockfish 240722"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/600+5"]
[Time "20:48:21"]
[Board "80"]
[Termination "adjudication by online egtb"]
[FEN "r2qkb1r/1p2pppp/1np2n2/p3Nb2/P2P4/2N5/1P2PPPP/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - c0 Gms: 515; c1 Score: 57.476%; c2 Draws: 48.544%; c3 Wins: 33.204%; c4 Losses: 18.252%;"]
[SetUp "1"]

1.e3 Nbd7 2.Nc4 Qc7 3.Qf3 Bc2 4.Bd2 e5
5.g4 Bb4 6.g5 exd4 7.exd4 Nd5 8.Rc1 Bxc3
9.bxc3 Bxa4 10.Nb2 N7b6 11.c4 Nb4 12.Qe2+ Kf8
13.Be3 Bb3 14.Bg2 Na2 15.Ra1 Nb4 16.O-O Nc2
17.Rac1 Nxe3 18.fxe3 Kg8 19.Rf2 Qe7 20.Rcf1 Rf8
21.e4 Qxg5 22.Rf3 a4 23.Rg3 Qh4 24.Rg4 Qh6
25.e5 Nc8 26.Nd1 Bxd1 27.Qxd1 Ne7 28.Qd3 Qe6
29.Bh3 b5 30.Rxg7+ Kxg7 31.Bxe6 fxe6 32.cxb5 cxb5
33.Rxf8 Rxf8 34.Qxb5 Nf5 35.Qxa4 Rf7 36.Kh1 Nh4
37.Qa6 Ng6 38.h4 Rf4 39.h5 Nf8 40.Qb7+ Kg8
41.Qg2+ Kf7 42.Kg1 Rf5 43.h6 Ng6 44.d5 Rxe5
45.d6 Rd5 46.Qc2 Kf6 47.Qc7 Rg5+ 48.Kf2 Rf5+
49.Ke3 Re5+ 50.Kd3 Rf5 51.d7 Rd5+ 52.Ke4 Rd1
53.d8=Q+ Rxd8 54.Qxd8+ 1-0 [/pgn]

Code:: Result:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  # name games wins draws losses score% elo + -
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 80 2 78 0 51.3 3 26 26
  2. Stockfish 240722 80 0 78 2 48.8 -3 26 26

Cross table:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  # name score% games 1 2
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 51.3 80 x =====================================================1=========================1--------------------
  2. Stockfish 240722 48.8 80 =====================================================0=========================0-------------------- x

Tech:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Tech (average nodes, depths, time/m per move, others per game), counted for computing moves only, ignored moves with zero nodes:
  # name nodes/m NPS depth/m time/m moves time
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 2016299K 10610848 54.9 190.0 77.9 14795.6
  2. Stockfish 240722 34390K 8422316 46.3 4.1 78.0 318.4
   all --- 1000614K 10564746 50.6 97.0 77.9 7557.0

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[pgn][Event "Chess Tournament"]
[Site "*"]
[Date "2022.08.19"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit"]
[Black "Stockfish 240722"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/600+5"]
[Time "22"]
[Board "82"]
[Termination "mate"]
[FEN "rn1q1rk1/pbp1bpp1/1p2pn1p/3p4/2PP3B/2N1PN2/PP2BPPP/R2QK2R w KQ - c0 Gms: 406; c1 Score: 55.542%; c2 Draws: 54.926%; c3 Wins: 28.079%; c4 Losses: 16.995%;"]
[SetUp "1"]

1.Bxf6 Bxf6 2.cxd5 exd5 3.O-O Nd7 4.Qb3 c6
5.Rad1 g6 6.Rfe1 Bg7 7.a4 Qc7 8.Rc1 Qd8
9.a5 Rb8 10.Qa3 Re8 11.a6 Ba8 12.b4 Bf8
13.Na4 Qf6 14.Rc2 Qe6 15.Rec1 Qd6 16.Rb1 Qe6
17.Bf1 Bd6 18.Rcc1 Qe7 19.g3 Nf6 20.Nd2 Red8
21.Bg2 Rbc8 22.Qb2 Kh7 23.Rc2 Kg7 24.Qb3 Rb8
25.Qa3 Rbc8 26.Qb2 Kh7 27.Qb3 Rb8 28.Qa3 Rbc8
29.Qb2 Kg7 30.Rc3 Qe6 31.Qa2 Kg8 32.Qb3 Rb8
33.Rc2 Qe7 34.Qb2 Rbc8 35.Nf3 Rb8 36.Qa3 Rbc8
37.Qb3 Kg7 38.Qb2 Rb8 39.Rcc1 Kg8 40.Qa3 Ne4
41.Rb3 Re8 42.Qb2 Qf6 43.Ne1 Qe7 44.h3 Qe6
45.Qe2 Qe7 46.Nd3 h5 47.Nc3 h4 48.g4 Rbc8
49.Rb2 Kg7 50.Qd1 Bb8 51.Nb1 Qd6 52.Nd2 Re7
53.Nf4 Rh8 54.Nf3 f6 55.Qd3 g5 56.Ne2 Rhe8
57.Nc3 Qe6 58.Qb1 Nd6 59.Re2 Rf8 60.Nh2 Rfe8
61.Nf1 f5 62.Nh2 b5 63.gxf5 Nxf5 64.Rce1 Bxh2+
65.Kxh2 Kh8 66.Na2 g4 67.hxg4 Nh6 68.Bh3 Rg8
69.g5 Qd6+ 70.Kh1 Rxg5 71.Rg1 Rxg1+ 72.Qxg1 Rg7
73.Qd1 Ng4 74.Bxg4 Rxg4 75.Re1 Qe6 76.Qf3 Rg6
77.Kh2 Qd6+ 78.Qf4 Kg7 79.Qxd6 Rxd6 80.Nc3 Rf6
81.f4 Kf7 82.Kh3 Rh6 83.e4 Rh8 84.e5 Ke6
85.Rg1 Kf5 86.Rg4 Rh7 87.Rxh4 Rf7 88.Kg3 Rg7+
89.Kf3 Kg6 90.Rg4+ Kf7 91.Rxg7+ Kxg7 92.Ke3 Kg6
93.Ne2 Kf5 94.Ng3+ Kg4 95.f5 Kg5 96.f6 Kg6
97.Ne2 c5 98.dxc5 Bc6 99.Nd4 Bd7 100.e6 Bxe6
101.Nxe6 Kxf6 102.Nd4 Kf7 103.c6 Ke7 104.Kf4 Kd6
105.Kf5 Ke7 106.Ke5 Kd8 107.Kd6 Ke8 108.c7 Kf8
109.c8=Q+ Kg7 110.Qe6 Kh8 111.Nf5 d4 112.Qh6+ Kg8
113.Qg7# 1-0
[/pgn]

Computers do not understand everything. This game was already lost by move 11.

[pgn] [Event "Chess Tournament"]
[Site "*"]
[Date "2022.08.19"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit"]
[Black "Stockfish 240722"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/600+5"]
[Time "22"]
[Board "88"]
[Termination "timeout"]
[FEN "rnbq1rk1/pp3ppp/2pb4/3p4/2PPn3/3B1N2/PP3PPP/RNBQ1RK1 w - - c0 Gms: 421; c1 Score: 59.739%; c2 Draws: 52.494%; c3 Wins: 33.492%; c4 Losses: 14.014%;"]
[SetUp "1"]

1.Re1 Bf5 2.Qb3 Na6 3.cxd5 cxd5 4.Nc3 Be6
5.a3 Nc7 6.Be3 f5 7.Rac1 Kh8 8.Qd1 Bg8
9.Bf1 Qe8 10.Na4 Ne6 11.Nc5 Qe7 12.Nxe6 Qxe6
13.Qd3 Qf6 14.Bd2 Rfe8 15.Rc2 Rac8 16.Bc1 h6
17.Qb3 Rxc2 18.Qxc2 Bb8 19.b4 Qb6 20.Qb2 Bf7
21.Bd3 f4 22.Qb3 Qc6 23.Ne5 Bxe5 24.dxe5 f3
25.Bxe4 Rxe5 26.Bb2 Rxe4 27.Rxe4 Qg6 28.Qxf3 dxe4
29.Qe3 a6 30.Qd4 Be8 31.h3 Qg5 32.Kh2 Qe7
33.Qd5 Bc6 34.Qf5 e3 35.fxe3 Kg8 36.Be5 Bd7
37.Qf4 Qf7 38.Qd4 Ba4 39.Qd8+ Kh7 40.Qd2 Qg6
41.Qe2 Bc6 42.Qb2 Qf7 43.Kg1 Kg8 44.Bd6 h5
45.Kh2 Kh7 46.Be5 Be4 47.a4 Qg6 48.a5 Kh8
49.Qe2 Kh7 50.Bd4 Qf7 51.Bc5 Qg6 52.Bb6 Kh6
53.Kg1 Bc6 54.Qf1 Qf6 55.Qf4+ Qxf4 56.exf4 Kg6
57.Kf2 Kf5 58.Bc7 Be4 59.Kg1 Bd5 60.Kf2 Bc6
61.Kg3 Be4 62.Kh2 Bd3 63.Kg3 Be4 64.Kh2 g6
65.Kg1 Bc6 66.Bb8 Bd7 67.Kf2 Ba4 68.Kf3 Bc6+
69.Kg3 Be4 70.Bd6 Bd5 71.Kf2 Be4 72.Kg3 g5
73.fxg5 Kxg5 74.Kh2 Kf5 75.Be7 Bd5 76.Bd8 Bc6
77.Kg3 Ke5 78.h4 Ke4 79.Bg5 Ba4 80.Bc1 Bd7
81.Bh6 Kf5 82.Be3 Be6 83.Bd2 Bb3 84.Kf2 Bd1
85.Ke1 Bc2 86.g3 Be4 87.Bc3 Bh1 88.Bd2 Bc6
89.Kf2 Kg6 90.Ke2 Ba4 91.Be3 Bb5+ 92.Kf2 Bd3
93.Bb6 Kf5 94.Bc7 Bb5 95.Kg2 Kg4 96.Bb6 Bd7
97.Be3 Bb5 98.Bg5 Kf5 99.Kf3 Bc4 100.Be3 Bb5
101.Kf2 Bc4 102.Bf4 Be6 103.Bb8 Kg6 104.Be5 Kf5
105.Bf4 Bd5 106.Bg5 Kg4 107.Bh6 Bc6 108.Bd2 Be4
109.Bc3 Bc6 110.Bd4 Bh1 111.Bh8 Kf5 112.Bd4 Kg4
113.Ba7 Kf5 114.Kf1 Bf3 115.Bb8 Ke6 116.Ke1 Kd5
117.Kf1 Bg4 118.Ba7 Ke4 119.Ke1 Kf3 120.Bb8 Bd7
121.Kd2 Bg4 122.Kc3 Ke4 123.Kc4 Kf5 124.Kc5 Bf3
125.b5 Ke6 126.bxa6 bxa6 127.Kd4 Bc6 128.Ke3 Bh1
129.Ke2 Bd5 130.Ke1 Ke7 131.Bf4 Kf7 132.Ke2 {Black forfeits on time} 1-0
[/pgn]

Code:: Result:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  # name games wins draws losses score% elo + -
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 90 4 86 0 52.2 5 25 25
  2. Stockfish 240722 90 0 86 4 47.8 -5 25 25

Cross table:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  # name score% games 1 2
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 52.2 90 x =====================================================1=========================1=1=====1==----------
  2. Stockfish 240722 47.8 90 =====================================================0=========================0=0=====0==---------- x

Tech:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Tech (average nodes, depths, time/m per move, others per game), counted for computing moves only, ignored moves with zero nodes:
  # name nodes/m NPS depth/m time/m moves time #fails
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 1991800K 10507722 54.6 189.6 80.4 15246.6
  2. Stockfish 240722 33792K 8406119 46.4 4.0 80.5 323.8 1
   all --- 988398K 10464019 50.5 96.7 80.5 7785.2 1

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Code:: Result:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  # name games wins draws losses score% elo + -
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 94 5 89 0 52.7 6 24 24
  2. Stockfish 240722 94 0 89 5 47.3 -6 24 24

Cross table:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  # name score% games 1 2
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 52.7 94 x =====================================================1=========================1=1=====1=====1------
  2. Stockfish 240722 47.3 94 =====================================================0=========================0=0=====0=====0------ x

Tech:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Tech (average nodes, depths, time/m per move, others per game), counted for computing moves only, ignored moves with zero nodes:
  # name nodes/m NPS depth/m time/m moves time #fails
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 2016939K 10670411 54.7 189.0 81.1 15334.9
  2. Stockfish 240722 33870K 8453271 46.4 4.0 81.2 325.4 1
   all --- 1000800K 10624336 50.5 96.5 81.2 7830.2 1

[pgn][Event "Chess Tournament"]
[Site "*"]
[Date "2022.08.20"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit"]
[Black "Stockfish 240722"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/600+5"]
[Time "17:30:16"]
[Board "94"]
[Termination "mate"]
[FEN "r1bq1rk1/pp2bppp/2nppn2/6B1/3NP3/2N5/PPPQ1PPP/2KR1B1R w - - c0 Gms: 1019; c1 Score: 56.477%; c2 Draws: 38.175%; c3 Wins: 37.39%; c4 Losses: 24.436%;"]
[SetUp "1"]

1.h4 Nxd4 2.Qxd4 Bd7 3.Kb1 a6 4.Qd2 Bc6
5.Bd3 Re8 6.f3 Rc8 7.g4 d5 8.Rhf1 dxe4
9.fxe4 Nd7 10.Qf4 Bxg5 11.hxg5 Qe7 12.e5 Nf8
13.a3 Red8 14.Rd2 Rd7 15.Rh2 b5 16.Qe3 Qd8
17.g6 fxg6 18.Rhf2 Qc7 19.g5 Re7 20.Ne2 Rd8
21.Qf4 Qc8 22.Qb4 Qb7 23.Nd4 Bd5 24.Nb3 Ree8
25.Nc5 Qc6 26.b3 Bg2 27.Be4 Bxe4 28.Nxe4 Nd7
29.Nd6 Rf8 30.Qg4 Rf5 31.Nxf5 gxf5 32.Qh4 Rc8
33.Rd1 Nf8 34.Qb4 Qb6 35.Rfd2 Qc7 36.Qd6 Qb7
37.Rd4 Kf7 38.Kb2 Qc7 39.Qxc7+ Rxc7 40.Rd8 a5
41.R1d4 Ra7 42.Rb8 Nd7 43.Rxb5 Kg6 44.Rd6 Kxg5
45.Rxe6 Nf8 46.Re8 Ng6 47.Rd5 Kf4 48.e6 Ne5
49.Rd4+ Kf3 50.c4 h5 51.Rd6 Rb7 52.Kc3 Rc7
53.e7 Ng4 54.Re6 Nf6 55.Rd8 f4 56.b4 axb4+
57.axb4 Rb7 58.b5 h4 59.b6 h3 60.Rd3+ Kg2
61.Rxf6 Rb8 62.Rg6+ Kf2 63.Rd8 h2 64.e8=Q Rxd8
65.Qe4 f3 66.Qh4+ Ke2 67.Qxh2+ f2 68.Qh5+ Ke3
69.Qe5+ Kf3 70.Rg3# 1-0 [/pgn]

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mwyoung wrote:: [pgn][Event "Chess Tournament"]
[Site "*"]
[Date "2022.08.19"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit"]
[Black "Stockfish 240722"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/600+5"]
[Time "22"]
[Board "82"]
[Termination "mate"]
[FEN "rn1q1rk1/pbp1bpp1/1p2pn1p/3p4/2PP3B/2N1PN2/PP2BPPP/R2QK2R w KQ - c0 Gms: 406; c1 Score: 55.542%; c2 Draws: 54.926%; c3 Wins: 28.079%; c4 Losses: 16.995%;"]
[SetUp "1"]

1.Bxf6 Bxf6 2.cxd5 exd5 3.O-O Nd7 4.Qb3 c6
5.Rad1 g6 6.Rfe1 Bg7 7.a4 Qc7 8.Rc1 Qd8
9.a5 Rb8 10.Qa3 Re8 11.a6 Ba8 12.b4 Bf8
13.Na4 Qf6 14.Rc2 Qe6 15.Rec1 Qd6 16.Rb1 Qe6
17.Bf1 Bd6 18.Rcc1 Qe7 19.g3 Nf6 20.Nd2 Red8
21.Bg2 Rbc8 22.Qb2 Kh7 23.Rc2 Kg7 24.Qb3 Rb8
25.Qa3 Rbc8 26.Qb2 Kh7 27.Qb3 Rb8 28.Qa3 Rbc8
29.Qb2 Kg7 30.Rc3 Qe6 31.Qa2 Kg8 32.Qb3 Rb8
33.Rc2 Qe7 34.Qb2 Rbc8 35.Nf3 Rb8 36.Qa3 Rbc8
37.Qb3 Kg7 38.Qb2 Rb8 39.Rcc1 Kg8 40.Qa3 Ne4
41.Rb3 Re8 42.Qb2 Qf6 43.Ne1 Qe7 44.h3 Qe6
45.Qe2 Qe7 46.Nd3 h5 47.Nc3 h4 48.g4 Rbc8
49.Rb2 Kg7 50.Qd1 Bb8 51.Nb1 Qd6 52.Nd2 Re7
53.Nf4 Rh8 54.Nf3 f6 55.Qd3 g5 56.Ne2 Rhe8
57.Nc3 Qe6 58.Qb1 Nd6 59.Re2 Rf8 60.Nh2 Rfe8
61.Nf1 f5 62.Nh2 b5 63.gxf5 Nxf5 64.Rce1 Bxh2+
65.Kxh2 Kh8 66.Na2 g4 67.hxg4 Nh6 68.Bh3 Rg8
69.g5 Qd6+ 70.Kh1 Rxg5 71.Rg1 Rxg1+ 72.Qxg1 Rg7
73.Qd1 Ng4 74.Bxg4 Rxg4 75.Re1 Qe6 76.Qf3 Rg6
77.Kh2 Qd6+ 78.Qf4 Kg7 79.Qxd6 Rxd6 80.Nc3 Rf6
81.f4 Kf7 82.Kh3 Rh6 83.e4 Rh8 84.e5 Ke6
85.Rg1 Kf5 86.Rg4 Rh7 87.Rxh4 Rf7 88.Kg3 Rg7+
89.Kf3 Kg6 90.Rg4+ Kf7 91.Rxg7+ Kxg7 92.Ke3 Kg6
93.Ne2 Kf5 94.Ng3+ Kg4 95.f5 Kg5 96.f6 Kg6
97.Ne2 c5 98.dxc5 Bc6 99.Nd4 Bd7 100.e6 Bxe6
101.Nxe6 Kxf6 102.Nd4 Kf7 103.c6 Ke7 104.Kf4 Kd6
105.Kf5 Ke7 106.Ke5 Kd8 107.Kd6 Ke8 108.c7 Kf8
109.c8=Q+ Kg7 110.Qe6 Kh8 111.Nf5 d4 112.Qh6+ Kg8
113.Qg7# 1-0
[/pgn]

Computers do not understand everything. This game was already lost by move 11.

I wonder how do you know that this game was already lost by move 11.
I do not claim that it is not the case but what is the evidence?
Did you see some huge score for white after a long analysis after move 11?

Edit:or maybe you think that black is losing because of the poor bishop at a8.
I can suspect that it is the case but cannot be sure about it.

Posts : 880 Join date : 2020-11-25 Location : USA

Uri Blass wrote:

mwyoung wrote:: [pgn][Event "Chess Tournament"]
[Site "*"]
[Date "2022.08.19"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit"]
[Black "Stockfish 240722"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/600+5"]
[Time "22"]
[Board "82"]
[Termination "mate"]
[FEN "rn1q1rk1/pbp1bpp1/1p2pn1p/3p4/2PP3B/2N1PN2/PP2BPPP/R2QK2R w KQ - c0 Gms: 406; c1 Score: 55.542%; c2 Draws: 54.926%; c3 Wins: 28.079%; c4 Losses: 16.995%;"]
[SetUp "1"]

1.Bxf6 Bxf6 2.cxd5 exd5 3.O-O Nd7 4.Qb3 c6
5.Rad1 g6 6.Rfe1 Bg7 7.a4 Qc7 8.Rc1 Qd8
9.a5 Rb8 10.Qa3 Re8 11.a6 Ba8 12.b4 Bf8
13.Na4 Qf6 14.Rc2 Qe6 15.Rec1 Qd6 16.Rb1 Qe6
17.Bf1 Bd6 18.Rcc1 Qe7 19.g3 Nf6 20.Nd2 Red8
21.Bg2 Rbc8 22.Qb2 Kh7 23.Rc2 Kg7 24.Qb3 Rb8
25.Qa3 Rbc8 26.Qb2 Kh7 27.Qb3 Rb8 28.Qa3 Rbc8
29.Qb2 Kg7 30.Rc3 Qe6 31.Qa2 Kg8 32.Qb3 Rb8
33.Rc2 Qe7 34.Qb2 Rbc8 35.Nf3 Rb8 36.Qa3 Rbc8
37.Qb3 Kg7 38.Qb2 Rb8 39.Rcc1 Kg8 40.Qa3 Ne4
41.Rb3 Re8 42.Qb2 Qf6 43.Ne1 Qe7 44.h3 Qe6
45.Qe2 Qe7 46.Nd3 h5 47.Nc3 h4 48.g4 Rbc8
49.Rb2 Kg7 50.Qd1 Bb8 51.Nb1 Qd6 52.Nd2 Re7
53.Nf4 Rh8 54.Nf3 f6 55.Qd3 g5 56.Ne2 Rhe8
57.Nc3 Qe6 58.Qb1 Nd6 59.Re2 Rf8 60.Nh2 Rfe8
61.Nf1 f5 62.Nh2 b5 63.gxf5 Nxf5 64.Rce1 Bxh2+
65.Kxh2 Kh8 66.Na2 g4 67.hxg4 Nh6 68.Bh3 Rg8
69.g5 Qd6+ 70.Kh1 Rxg5 71.Rg1 Rxg1+ 72.Qxg1 Rg7
73.Qd1 Ng4 74.Bxg4 Rxg4 75.Re1 Qe6 76.Qf3 Rg6
77.Kh2 Qd6+ 78.Qf4 Kg7 79.Qxd6 Rxd6 80.Nc3 Rf6
81.f4 Kf7 82.Kh3 Rh6 83.e4 Rh8 84.e5 Ke6
85.Rg1 Kf5 86.Rg4 Rh7 87.Rxh4 Rf7 88.Kg3 Rg7+
89.Kf3 Kg6 90.Rg4+ Kf7 91.Rxg7+ Kxg7 92.Ke3 Kg6
93.Ne2 Kf5 94.Ng3+ Kg4 95.f5 Kg5 96.f6 Kg6
97.Ne2 c5 98.dxc5 Bc6 99.Nd4 Bd7 100.e6 Bxe6
101.Nxe6 Kxf6 102.Nd4 Kf7 103.c6 Ke7 104.Kf4 Kd6
105.Kf5 Ke7 106.Ke5 Kd8 107.Kd6 Ke8 108.c7 Kf8
109.c8=Q+ Kg7 110.Qe6 Kh8 111.Nf5 d4 112.Qh6+ Kg8
113.Qg7# 1-0
[/pgn]

Computers do not understand everything. This game was already lost by move 11.

I wonder how do you know that this game was already lost by move 11.
I do not claim that it is not the case but what is the evidence?
Did you see some huge score for white after a long analysis after move 11?

I did not look at the score at all.

But did you look at the game?

Observe the losing structure. Or simply look at the black bishop on a8. Black is basically playing a piece down.

White has the c5 square locked down!

Posts : 192 Join date : 2020-11-28

mwyoung wrote:

Uri Blass wrote:

mwyoung wrote:: [pgn][Event "Chess Tournament"]
[Site "*"]
[Date "2022.08.19"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit"]
[Black "Stockfish 240722"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/600+5"]
[Time "22"]
[Board "82"]
[Termination "mate"]
[FEN "rn1q1rk1/pbp1bpp1/1p2pn1p/3p4/2PP3B/2N1PN2/PP2BPPP/R2QK2R w KQ - c0 Gms: 406; c1 Score: 55.542%; c2 Draws: 54.926%; c3 Wins: 28.079%; c4 Losses: 16.995%;"]
[SetUp "1"]

1.Bxf6 Bxf6 2.cxd5 exd5 3.O-O Nd7 4.Qb3 c6
5.Rad1 g6 6.Rfe1 Bg7 7.a4 Qc7 8.Rc1 Qd8
9.a5 Rb8 10.Qa3 Re8 11.a6 Ba8 12.b4 Bf8
13.Na4 Qf6 14.Rc2 Qe6 15.Rec1 Qd6 16.Rb1 Qe6
17.Bf1 Bd6 18.Rcc1 Qe7 19.g3 Nf6 20.Nd2 Red8
21.Bg2 Rbc8 22.Qb2 Kh7 23.Rc2 Kg7 24.Qb3 Rb8
25.Qa3 Rbc8 26.Qb2 Kh7 27.Qb3 Rb8 28.Qa3 Rbc8
29.Qb2 Kg7 30.Rc3 Qe6 31.Qa2 Kg8 32.Qb3 Rb8
33.Rc2 Qe7 34.Qb2 Rbc8 35.Nf3 Rb8 36.Qa3 Rbc8
37.Qb3 Kg7 38.Qb2 Rb8 39.Rcc1 Kg8 40.Qa3 Ne4
41.Rb3 Re8 42.Qb2 Qf6 43.Ne1 Qe7 44.h3 Qe6
45.Qe2 Qe7 46.Nd3 h5 47.Nc3 h4 48.g4 Rbc8
49.Rb2 Kg7 50.Qd1 Bb8 51.Nb1 Qd6 52.Nd2 Re7
53.Nf4 Rh8 54.Nf3 f6 55.Qd3 g5 56.Ne2 Rhe8
57.Nc3 Qe6 58.Qb1 Nd6 59.Re2 Rf8 60.Nh2 Rfe8
61.Nf1 f5 62.Nh2 b5 63.gxf5 Nxf5 64.Rce1 Bxh2+
65.Kxh2 Kh8 66.Na2 g4 67.hxg4 Nh6 68.Bh3 Rg8
69.g5 Qd6+ 70.Kh1 Rxg5 71.Rg1 Rxg1+ 72.Qxg1 Rg7
73.Qd1 Ng4 74.Bxg4 Rxg4 75.Re1 Qe6 76.Qf3 Rg6
77.Kh2 Qd6+ 78.Qf4 Kg7 79.Qxd6 Rxd6 80.Nc3 Rf6
81.f4 Kf7 82.Kh3 Rh6 83.e4 Rh8 84.e5 Ke6
85.Rg1 Kf5 86.Rg4 Rh7 87.Rxh4 Rf7 88.Kg3 Rg7+
89.Kf3 Kg6 90.Rg4+ Kf7 91.Rxg7+ Kxg7 92.Ke3 Kg6
93.Ne2 Kf5 94.Ng3+ Kg4 95.f5 Kg5 96.f6 Kg6
97.Ne2 c5 98.dxc5 Bc6 99.Nd4 Bd7 100.e6 Bxe6
101.Nxe6 Kxf6 102.Nd4 Kf7 103.c6 Ke7 104.Kf4 Kd6
105.Kf5 Ke7 106.Ke5 Kd8 107.Kd6 Ke8 108.c7 Kf8
109.c8=Q+ Kg7 110.Qe6 Kh8 111.Nf5 d4 112.Qh6+ Kg8
113.Qg7# 1-0
[/pgn]

Computers do not understand everything. This game was already lost by move 11.

I wonder how do you know that this game was already lost by move 11.
I do not claim that it is not the case but what is the evidence?
Did you see some huge score for white after a long analysis after move 11?

I did not look at the score at all.

But did you look at the game?

Observe the losing structure. Or simple look at the black bishop on a8. Black is basically playing a piece down.

I am not sure that black is losing because maybe black can at some point play c5 and sacrifice a pawn to get the bishop to c6 but it seems that white may be able to prevent it by b5.

It is not a convincing evidence and if stockfish fails to defend the position after Ba8 at longer time control then it is going to be a more convincing evidence

Note that Stockfish with 2 options with a longer analysis does not like 13...Qf6 and prefer 13...h5 or 13...Qe7 after more than 8 billion nodes.

Posts : 880 Join date : 2020-11-25 Location : USA

Uri Blass wrote:

mwyoung wrote:

Uri Blass wrote:

mwyoung wrote:: [pgn][Event "Chess Tournament"]
[Site "*"]
[Date "2022.08.19"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit"]
[Black "Stockfish 240722"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/600+5"]
[Time "22"]
[Board "82"]
[Termination "mate"]
[FEN "rn1q1rk1/pbp1bpp1/1p2pn1p/3p4/2PP3B/2N1PN2/PP2BPPP/R2QK2R w KQ - c0 Gms: 406; c1 Score: 55.542%; c2 Draws: 54.926%; c3 Wins: 28.079%; c4 Losses: 16.995%;"]
[SetUp "1"]

1.Bxf6 Bxf6 2.cxd5 exd5 3.O-O Nd7 4.Qb3 c6
5.Rad1 g6 6.Rfe1 Bg7 7.a4 Qc7 8.Rc1 Qd8
9.a5 Rb8 10.Qa3 Re8 11.a6 Ba8 12.b4 Bf8
13.Na4 Qf6 14.Rc2 Qe6 15.Rec1 Qd6 16.Rb1 Qe6
17.Bf1 Bd6 18.Rcc1 Qe7 19.g3 Nf6 20.Nd2 Red8
21.Bg2 Rbc8 22.Qb2 Kh7 23.Rc2 Kg7 24.Qb3 Rb8
25.Qa3 Rbc8 26.Qb2 Kh7 27.Qb3 Rb8 28.Qa3 Rbc8
29.Qb2 Kg7 30.Rc3 Qe6 31.Qa2 Kg8 32.Qb3 Rb8
33.Rc2 Qe7 34.Qb2 Rbc8 35.Nf3 Rb8 36.Qa3 Rbc8
37.Qb3 Kg7 38.Qb2 Rb8 39.Rcc1 Kg8 40.Qa3 Ne4
41.Rb3 Re8 42.Qb2 Qf6 43.Ne1 Qe7 44.h3 Qe6
45.Qe2 Qe7 46.Nd3 h5 47.Nc3 h4 48.g4 Rbc8
49.Rb2 Kg7 50.Qd1 Bb8 51.Nb1 Qd6 52.Nd2 Re7
53.Nf4 Rh8 54.Nf3 f6 55.Qd3 g5 56.Ne2 Rhe8
57.Nc3 Qe6 58.Qb1 Nd6 59.Re2 Rf8 60.Nh2 Rfe8
61.Nf1 f5 62.Nh2 b5 63.gxf5 Nxf5 64.Rce1 Bxh2+
65.Kxh2 Kh8 66.Na2 g4 67.hxg4 Nh6 68.Bh3 Rg8
69.g5 Qd6+ 70.Kh1 Rxg5 71.Rg1 Rxg1+ 72.Qxg1 Rg7
73.Qd1 Ng4 74.Bxg4 Rxg4 75.Re1 Qe6 76.Qf3 Rg6
77.Kh2 Qd6+ 78.Qf4 Kg7 79.Qxd6 Rxd6 80.Nc3 Rf6
81.f4 Kf7 82.Kh3 Rh6 83.e4 Rh8 84.e5 Ke6
85.Rg1 Kf5 86.Rg4 Rh7 87.Rxh4 Rf7 88.Kg3 Rg7+
89.Kf3 Kg6 90.Rg4+ Kf7 91.Rxg7+ Kxg7 92.Ke3 Kg6
93.Ne2 Kf5 94.Ng3+ Kg4 95.f5 Kg5 96.f6 Kg6
97.Ne2 c5 98.dxc5 Bc6 99.Nd4 Bd7 100.e6 Bxe6
101.Nxe6 Kxf6 102.Nd4 Kf7 103.c6 Ke7 104.Kf4 Kd6
105.Kf5 Ke7 106.Ke5 Kd8 107.Kd6 Ke8 108.c7 Kf8
109.c8=Q+ Kg7 110.Qe6 Kh8 111.Nf5 d4 112.Qh6+ Kg8
113.Qg7# 1-0
[/pgn]

Computers do not understand everything. This game was already lost by move 11.

I wonder how do you know that this game was already lost by move 11.
I do not claim that it is not the case but what is the evidence?
Did you see some huge score for white after a long analysis after move 11?

I did not look at the score at all.

But did you look at the game?

Observe the losing structure. Or simple look at the black bishop on a8. Black is basically playing a piece down.

I am not sure that black is losing because maybe black can at some point play c5 and sacrifice a pawn to get the bishop to c6 but it seems that white may be able to prevent it by b5.

It is not a convincing evidence and if stockfish fails to defend the position after Ba8 at longer time control then it is going to be a more convincing evidence

Note that Stockfish with 2 options with a longer analysis does not like 13...Qf6 and prefer 13...h5 or 13...Qe7 after more than 8 billion nodes.

I can not do computer analysis as the computers are all playing matches, and testing chess engines.

So I can only use my puny brain at less then 1 nps.

But black still looks losing.

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mwyoung wrote:

Code:: Result:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  # name games wins draws losses score% elo + -
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 90 4 86 0 52.2 5 25 25
  2. Stockfish 240722 90 0 86 4 47.8 -5 25 25

Cross table:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  # name score% games 1 2
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 52.2 90 x =====================================================1=========================1=1=====1==----------
  2. Stockfish 240722 47.8 90 =====================================================0=========================0=0=====0==---------- x

Tech:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Tech (average nodes, depths, time/m per move, others per game), counted for computing moves only, ignored moves with zero nodes:
  # name nodes/m NPS depth/m time/m moves time #fails
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 1991800K 10507722 54.6 189.6 80.4 15246.6
  2. Stockfish 240722 33792K 8406119 46.4 4.0 80.5 323.8 1
   all --- 988398K 10464019 50.5 96.7 80.5 7785.2 1

This is surprising. What is Stockfish 240722? Is it the latest NNUE version with the latest net?

[quote="mwyoung"]

Code:: Result:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  # name games wins draws losses score% elo + -
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 94 5 89 0 52.7 6 24 24
  2. Stockfish 240722 94 0 89 5 47.3 -6 24 24

Cross table:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  # name score% games 1 2
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 52.7 94 x =====================================================1=========================1=1=====1=====1------
  2. Stockfish 240722 47.3 94 =====================================================0=========================0=0=====0=====0------ x

Tech:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Tech (average nodes, depths, time/m per move, others per game), counted for computing moves only, ignored moves with zero nodes:
  # name nodes/m NPS depth/m time/m moves time #fails
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 2016939K 10670411 54.7 189.0 81.1 15334.9
  2. Stockfish 240722 33870K 8453271 46.4 4.0 81.2 325.4 1
   all --- 1000800K 10624336 50.5 96.5 81.2 7830.2 1

Feed your head indeed.

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Code:: Result:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  # name games wins draws losses score% elo + -
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 97 5 91 1 52.1 5 24 24
  2. Stockfish 240722 97 1 91 5 47.9 -5 24 24

Cross table:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  # name score% games 1 2
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 52.1 97 x =====================================================1=========================1=1=====1=====1==0---
  2. Stockfish 240722 47.9 97 =====================================================0=========================0=0=====0=====0==1--- x

Tech:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Tech (average nodes, depths, time/m per move, others per game), counted for computing moves only, ignored moves with zero nodes:
  # name nodes/m NPS depth/m time/m moves time #fails
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 2004669K 10605742 54.6 189.0 81.0 15302.6
  2. Stockfish 240722 33775K 8414878 46.2 4.0 81.1 325.4 1
   all --- 994721K 10560130 50.4 96.5 81.0 7814.0 1

[pgn] [Event "Chess Tournament"]
[Site "*"]
[Date "2022.08.21"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Stockfish 240722"]
[Black "Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/600+5"]
[Time "04"]
[Board "97"]
[Termination "adjudication by online egtb"]
[FEN "r1bqk2r/pp1pppbp/6p1/8/2PnP1Q1/2N1B3/PP3PPP/R3KB1R w KQkq - c0 Gms: 528; c1 Score: 64.11%; c2 Draws: 38.447%; c3 Wins: 44.886%; c4 Losses: 16.667%;"]
[SetUp "1"]

1.Qd1 Ne6 2.Rc1 d6 3.Be2 O-O 4.Qd2 a5
5.h4 a4 6.h5 Bd7 7.Rd1 Qa5 8.Nd5 Rfe8
9.Nb6 Qxd2+ 10.Rxd2 Rad8 11.h6 Bh8 12.f3 Bc6
13.Kf2 f5 14.exf5 gxf5 15.g3 Kf7 16.Rh5 Kg6
17.Rh1 Nc5 18.Bd1 Nd7 19.Nxd7 Bxd7 20.c5 Bb5
21.cxd6 Rxd6 22.Rxd6+ exd6 23.Bc2 Rc8 24.Rc1 Bd7
25.g4 Kf7 26.Bxa4 Rxc1 27.Bb3+ Kf8 28.Bxc1 fxg4
29.fxg4 Bxg4 30.Bc2 Bd4+ 31.Kg3 Be6 32.b3 Bg8
33.Bd2 Be5+ 34.Bf4 Bb2 35.Bxd6+ Ke8 36.Bf5 Kd8
37.Bf4 Bc3 38.Kf3 Bf6 39.Ke3 Bb2 40.Kd2 b6
41.Be4 Bf6 42.Be3 Kc7 43.Kc2 Bd8 44.Kc3 Be7
45.a4 Bf6+ 46.Kb4 Be6 47.Bxh7 Bg4 48.Bd3 Bd7
49.Ka3 Bc3 50.Bc1 Bf6 51.h7 b5 52.axb5 Be7+
53.b4 Bf6 54.Bb2 Bxb2+ 55.Kxb2 1-0[/pgn]

affraid

Dragon 3.1 vs Stockfish 07/24/22, TC = 40/2hours vs 3m+2s LIVE 7aeafc10

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TheSelfImprover wrote:

mwyoung wrote:

Code:: Result:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  # name games wins draws losses score% elo + -
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 90 4 86 0 52.2 5 25 25
  2. Stockfish 240722 90 0 86 4 47.8 -5 25 25

Cross table:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  # name score% games 1 2
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 52.2 90 x =====================================================1=========================1=1=====1==----------
  2. Stockfish 240722 47.8 90 =====================================================0=========================0=0=====0==---------- x

Tech:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Tech (average nodes, depths, time/m per move, others per game), counted for computing moves only, ignored moves with zero nodes:
  # name nodes/m NPS depth/m time/m moves time #fails
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 1991800K 10507722 54.6 189.6 80.4 15246.6
  2. Stockfish 240722 33792K 8406119 46.4 4.0 80.5 323.8 1
   all --- 988398K 10464019 50.5 96.7 80.5 7785.2 1

This is surprising. What is Stockfish 240722? Is it the latest NNUE version with the latest net?

It is not surprising at all. That data was in front of us the whole time for everyone. People just refused to see it....

Maybe they were too impressed with all the NPS and CPU threads. lol!

TheSelfImprover wrote:

mwyoung wrote:

Code:: Result:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  # name games wins draws losses score% elo + -
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 90 4 86 0 52.2 5 25 25
  2. Stockfish 240722 90 0 86 4 47.8 -5 25 25

Cross table:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  # name score% games 1 2
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 52.2 90 x =====================================================1=========================1=1=====1==----------
  2. Stockfish 240722 47.8 90 =====================================================0=========================0=0=====0==---------- x

Tech:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Tech (average nodes, depths, time/m per move, others per game), counted for computing moves only, ignored moves with zero nodes:
  # name nodes/m NPS depth/m time/m moves time #fails
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 1991800K 10507722 54.6 189.6 80.4 15246.6
  2. Stockfish 240722 33792K 8406119 46.4 4.0 80.5 323.8 1
   all --- 988398K 10464019 50.5 96.7 80.5 7785.2 1

This is surprising. What is Stockfish 240722? Is it the latest NNUE version with the latest net?

It's not conclusive yet, but a sign on the wall, basically what the scaling test between SF and Komodo predicted, Komodo catching up very quickly and Dragon 3.1 could be a turning point and might end the SF domination.

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Admin wrote:

TheSelfImprover wrote:

mwyoung wrote:

Code:: Result:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  # name games wins draws losses score% elo + -
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 90 4 86 0 52.2 5 25 25
  2. Stockfish 240722 90 0 86 4 47.8 -5 25 25

Cross table:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  # name score% games 1 2
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 52.2 90 x =====================================================1=========================1=1=====1==----------
  2. Stockfish 240722 47.8 90 =====================================================0=========================0=0=====0==---------- x

Tech:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Tech (average nodes, depths, time/m per move, others per game), counted for computing moves only, ignored moves with zero nodes:
  # name nodes/m NPS depth/m time/m moves time #fails
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 1991800K 10507722 54.6 189.6 80.4 15246.6
  2. Stockfish 240722 33792K 8406119 46.4 4.0 80.5 323.8 1
   all --- 988398K 10464019 50.5 96.7 80.5 7785.2 1

This is surprising. What is Stockfish 240722? Is it the latest NNUE version with the latest net?

It's not conclusive yet, but a sign on the wall, basically what the scaling test between SF and Komodo predicted, Komodo catching up very quickly and Dragon 3.1 could be a turning point and might end the SF domination.

Stockfish had 1 loss due to a fail. So we will not count that game.

2. Stockfish 240722 1 fails

True score after 97 games is Dragon 3.1 +4 =92 -1. TPR +7 Elo

Meaning with Dragon 3.1 playing with "Equal" time. As Dragon 3.1 is using 47.25x more time.

This match is equal to a equal time blitz match of Stockfish playing with 8 CPU cores vs Dragon 3.1 playing with 378 CPU cores. And that is with perfect CPU scaling to 378 cores from 8 CPU cores. And that makes it even worse.

Now look at the rating of CCRL for Dragon 3.1 and Stockfish...... albino

Dragon 3.1 vs Stockfish 07/24/22, TC = 40/2hours vs 3m+2s LIVE Svd10

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End of Match.

Code:: Result:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  # name games wins draws losses score% elo + -
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 100 5 94 1 52.0 5 24 24
  2. Stockfish 240722 100 1 94 5 48.0 -5 24 24

Cross table:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  # name score% games 1 2
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 52.0 100 x =====================================================1=========================1=1=====1=====1==0===
  2. Stockfish 240722 48.0 100 =====================================================0=========================0=0=====0=====0==1=== x

Tech:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Tech (average nodes, depths, time/m per move, others per game), counted for computing moves only, ignored moves with zero nodes:
  # name nodes/m NPS depth/m time/m moves time #fails
  1. Dragon 3.1 by Komodo Chess 64-bit 2006697K 10601641 54.6 189.3 81.3 15381.0
  2. Stockfish 240722 33800K 8428960 46.2 4.0 81.4 326.3 1
   all --- 995684K 10556508 50.4 96.6 81.3 7853.7 1

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