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PostSubject: Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments    Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments  EmptyFri Aug 19, 2022 10:58 am

many many years ago my first chess computer was Mephisto MM IV
since this time i am a big fan of Ed Schroeder

now after i had retired with my long time hobby - playing engine-engine tournaments
i saw the rise of the Rebel with NN technology.

therefore i reactivate my tournaments

if you are interested, please have a look

FACE Tournaments

i ve moved from Rons Webside to a private server.

best Gerhard

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PostSubject: Rebel ratings taken from my ratinglist   Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments  EmptyFri Aug 19, 2022 11:46 am

# PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED
 01 Stockfish 15 NN                 :  3690.0   07.3  1354.5    1652
 10 Rebel 15.1 NN                   :  3454.6   09.8  1699.5    3252
 22 Rebel-Toga 15x2 NN           :  3370.8   13.3   823.5     1752
 24 Rebel-Toga 15 NN              :  3348.1   13.5   853.5     1652
 31 Rebel-Toga 14.2 NN           :  3293.6   13.0   868.5     1652
 41 Rebel-Fruit 14.1 NN           :  3222.0   15.8   916.0     1644

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PostSubject: Re: Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments    Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments  EmptyFri Aug 19, 2022 7:25 pm

You also seem to know very well which version of Lc0 on CPU (onednn) and which network is currently the strongest, the correct configuration for onednn is m.E. extremely difficult and requires a special lc0.config so that Lc0 does not use more cores than intended.

Your machine seems to be up to date as the onednn variant of Lc0 requires an avx512 capable machine, on avx2 onednn is runnable but much slower than dnnl.
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PostSubject: Re: Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments    Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments  EmptyFri Aug 19, 2022 11:02 pm

Arena debug says ... 1 Thread ... looks ok for me

2022-08-19 22:31:50,964<--1:option name LogFile type string default
2022-08-19 22:31:50,964<--1:uciok
2022-08-19 22:31:50,964-->1:setoption name WeightsFile value D:\Arena_3.5.1\Engines\lc0\0.30.0_onednn\792013.pb.gz
2022-08-19 22:31:50,964-->1:setoption name Threads value 1
2022-08-19 22:31:50,965-->1:setoption name TaskWorkers value 1
2022-08-19 22:31:50,965-->1:setoption name SyzygyPath value D:\Arena_3.5.1\TB\syzygy_5men
2022-08-19 22:31:50,965-->1:setoption name Ponder value false
2022-08-19 22:31:50,966*1*Child Process Prio Adj: PID 15528 conhost.exe
2022-08-19 22:31:50,972-->1:isready
2022-08-19 22:31:51,128<--1:readyok

under Arena i use Lc0 as UCI and got a config window, changed some default settings - i dont have a lc0.config file.
I only look at manuals when things are not working ... may be i missed something - cpu usage of Lc0 is indeed very high.
Lc0 0.30 is a dev version ... may be you are right ... it could be it shows 1 Thread but it really dont.
When having more time maybe i will look closer

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PostSubject: Re: Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments    Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments  EmptyFri Aug 19, 2022 11:38 pm

yes i ve access to several good machines, when not needed for more important things
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PostSubject: Re: Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments    Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments  EmptySat Aug 20, 2022 7:47 am

Dio - you are right it takes all cpus, also when you say in taskmanager take only one. So you need that config file.
i will take that Engine out of tournament.
Thanx for giving me this hint. Thats buggy shit, i am to old for such crazy stuff

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PostSubject: new ratinglist - Rebel now Nr 8   Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments  EmptyMon Aug 22, 2022 9:50 am

LcO is taken out - new cleaned ratinglist online
Rebel 15.1 NN now on number 8 of Free Available Chess Engines

FACE cleaned ratinglist

Test of Rebel 15.1a is started ...

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PostSubject: Rebel 15.1a NN    Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments  EmptyThu Aug 25, 2022 6:23 pm

Rebel 15.1a NN after 1600 games

Table Rebel 15.1a NN

the progress is inside the error area

12 Rebel 15.1 NN            :  3456.2   error 10.1  played  3644  
13 Rebel 15.1a NN          :  3453.4   error 14.0  played  1600

FACE rating

in cleaned list - only newest versions: Rebel 15.1a NN scored 3.464
FACE rating cleaned


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PostSubject: Re: Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments    Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments  EmptyThu Aug 25, 2022 7:01 pm

Very nice, thanks for testing.
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PostSubject: Re: Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments    Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments  EmptyThu Aug 25, 2022 8:14 pm

No progress ? I do have progress
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PostSubject: Re: Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments    Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments  EmptyThu Aug 25, 2022 9:37 pm

Mclane wrote:
No progress ? I do have progress

TC is 2 min/game plus 1 sec/move - 1 CPU- ponder off- Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8750H CPU
here are the results vs opponents (best 12 of Division 1 plus guests)

13 Rebel 15.1a NN        :3453.4 1600 (+233,=889,-478), 42.3 %

Rubi 20220813 NN         : 100 (+ 11,= 62,- 27), 42.0 %
BlackMarlin 7.0 NN       : 100 (+ 36,= 48,- 16), 60.0 %
Minic 3.27 NN            : 100 (+ 19,= 61,- 20), 49.5 %
Stockfish final HCE      : 100 (+  6,= 55,- 39), 33.5 %
Minic 3.24 NN            : 100 (+ 19,= 64,- 17), 51.0 %
Rubi 20220223 NN         : 100 (+  9,= 56,- 35), 37.0 %
Slow 2.9 NN              : 100 (+ 10,= 59,- 31), 39.5 %
Igel 3.1.0 NN            : 100 (+ 17,= 65,- 18), 49.5 %
RofChade 3.0 NN          : 100 (+ 15,= 50,- 35), 40.0 %
Stockfish 15 NN          : 100 (+  0,= 27,- 73), 13.5 %
Komodo 13.02             : 100 (+ 25,= 50,- 25), 50.0 %
Rebel 15.1 NN            : 100 (+  9,= 78,- 13), 48.0 %
Uralochka 3.37c NN       : 100 (+ 20,= 61,- 19), 50.5 %
Berserk 9 NN             : 100 (+  3,= 49,- 48), 27.5 %
Koivisto 8.0 NN          : 100 (+  4,= 56,- 40), 32.0 %
Seer 2.5 NN              : 100 (+ 30,= 48,- 22), 54.0 %
will add some more opponents maybe middle of next week


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PostSubject: Re: Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments    Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments  EmptyThu Aug 25, 2022 9:38 pm

2’ and 1 second per game ??????

I do play 40/4‘ with 4 cores and permanent brain ON each engine.

Thas of course a completely different time control
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PostSubject: Re: Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments    Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments  EmptyThu Aug 25, 2022 11:51 pm

Mclane wrote:
2’ and 1 second per game ??????

I do play 40/4‘ with 4 cores and permanent brain ON each engine.

Thas of course a completely different time control


... TC is 2 min/game plus 1 sec/move - 1 CPU- ponder off- Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8750H CPU

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PostSubject: Rebel 15.1a and Rebel 15.1   Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments  EmptyFri Aug 26, 2022 9:58 am

have checked out versus the same opponents
and run an elo-calc over these games

Rebel 15.1 - Rebel 15.1a compare

statistic played games

also here - with my conditions - the progress is inside the error area

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PostSubject: Rebel 16 - results   Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments  EmptyTue Dec 06, 2022 8:24 am

TC 2 min / game + 1 sec / move
Arena Gui - no forfeits for Rebel 16 - all games ok

Rebel 16 = 3.501 - plus 112 !!
Rebel 15a = 3.389
Rebel 15 = 3.385

see result table

Program Elo + - Games Score Av.Op. Draws

1 Stockfish 15 NN : 3700.0 13.2 13.2 2544 81.3 % 3430 36.0 %
2 Berserk 10 NN : 3599.6 12.1 12.1 2400 70.6 % 3437 52.6 %
3 Berserk 9 NN : 3572.3 9.8 9.8 4188 73.0 % 3382 44.2 %
4 Rubi 20221120 NN : 3542.2 11.7 11.7 2400 63.5 % 3440 62.2 %
5 Koivisto 8.0 NN : 3528.4 8.3 8.3 5732 71.7 % 3345 44.6 %
6 Berserk 8.5.1 NN : 3509.2 10.8 10.8 4732 85.9 % 3155 25.0 %
7 Rebel 16.0 NN : 3501.4 11.5 11.5 2400 58.4 % 3441 65.0 %
8 Stockfish final HCE : 3495.7 11.6 11.6 2400 57.4 % 3442 54.3 %
9 Slow 2.9 NN : 3472.7 11.3 11.3 2544 54.5 % 3440 62.9 %
10 Rubi 20220813 NN : 3470.0 11.2 11.2 2400 53.9 % 3443 63.2 %
11 Seer 2.6 NN : 3469.8 11.1 11.1 2400 53.9 % 3443 52.9 %
12 Rubi 20220223 NN : 3459.2 10.9 10.9 2544 52.7 % 3441 61.2 %
13 RofChade 3.0 NN : 3454.7 11.1 11.1 2544 52.1 % 3441 58.7 %
14 Minic 3.27 NN : 3422.6 11.0 11.0 2400 47.3 % 3445 61.4 %
15 Uralochka 3.38c NN : 3407.9 11.1 11.1 2400 45.3 % 3445 62.5 %
16 Seer 2.5 NN : 3402.3 6.7 6.7 7276 60.6 % 3313 39.1 %
17 Rebel 15.1a NN : 3389.3 11.5 11.5 2400 42.7 % 3446 56.7 %
18 Rebel 15.1 NN : 3385.9 8.8 8.8 4044 48.8 % 3397 52.7 %
19 Igel 3.1.0 NN : 3365.8 10.8 10.8 2544 39.9 % 3445 59.2 %
20 BlackMarlin 7.0 NN : 3362.8 11.4 11.4 2400 39.1 % 3447 53.2 %
21 Uralochka 3.37c NN : 3360.6 9.1 9.1 4044 45.3 % 3398 50.6 %
22 Minic 3.24 NN : 3358.8 10.8 10.8 2544 38.9 % 3445 54.2 %
23 Komodo 13.02 : 3354.8 11.2 11.2 2544 38.4 % 3445 43.7 %
24 Minic 3.21 NN : 3350.4 12.6 12.6 1644 55.0 % 3314 47.6 %
25 Arasan 23.4 NN : 3342.3 11.2 11.2 2400 36.4 % 3448 53.9 %
26 Wasp 6.00 NN : 3338.1 11.3 11.3 2400 35.9 % 3448 53.1 %
27 Booot 7 NN : 3335.5 11.8 11.8 2400 35.5 % 3448 52.1 %
28 Clover 3.1 NN : 3312.4 8.2 8.2 4876 57.4 % 3254 41.3 %
29 Rebel-Toga 15x2 NN : 3297.9 12.7 12.7 1644 47.8 % 3318 44.3 %
30 Tucano 10 NN : 3296.3 8.1 8.1 4732 55.9 % 3250 45.4 %
31 Rebel-Toga 15 NN : 3276.3 13.7 13.7 1544 53.2 % 3254 40.6 %
32 Seer 2.4 NN : 3271.4 15.5 15.5 1644 72.0 % 3087 38.7 %
33 Arasan 22.3 NN : 3267.9 9.5 9.5 3188 47.7 % 3288 40.5 %
34 Velvet 4.0.0 NN : 3251.7 13.0 13.0 1644 41.4 % 3321 40.5 %
35 Wasp 5.50 NN : 3244.5 12.8 12.8 1644 40.5 % 3321 45.7 %
36 Zahak 10.0 NN : 3234.2 8.8 8.8 3188 43.2 % 3290 42.7 %
37 Weiss 2.0 : 3223.5 9.4 9.4 3188 41.8 % 3291 39.0 %
38 Velvet 3.3.0 NN : 3213.0 10.1 10.1 3088 49.4 % 3220 38.3 %
39 Defen 2.3 : 3211.0 13.3 13.3 1644 35.9 % 3323 37.1 %
40 Rebel-Toga 14.2 NN : 3210.1 13.3 13.3 1544 53.8 % 3183 38.9 %
41 Combusken 2.0.0 : 3206.3 12.9 12.9 1644 35.3 % 3324 39.4 %
42 Clover 3.0 NN : 3194.0 14.6 14.6 1644 63.0 % 3092 40.0 %
43 Zahak 9.0 NN : 3189.7 10.3 10.3 3188 57.0 % 3136 39.2 %
44 BlackMarlin 5.0 NN : 3186.4 10.1 10.1 3088 45.9 % 3222 39.3 %
45 Velvet 3.2.0 NN : 3163.6 15.1 15.1 1644 59.2 % 3094 42.8 %
46 Marvin 5.2 NN : 3161.2 9.6 9.6 3088 42.6 % 3224 40.1 %
47 Stash 32.0 : 3141.2 8.2 8.2 4732 45.7 % 3180 37.6 %
48 Rebel-Fruit 14.1 NN : 3136.4 14.7 14.7 1644 55.7 % 3095 36.9 %
49 Black Marlin 4.0 NN : 3108.7 14.2 14.2 1644 52.1 % 3097 42.6 %
50 LGEvolution 3.15.4 NN : 3101.1 10.2 10.2 3088 35.0 % 3228 38.8 %
51 Drofa 3.3.0 : 3094.2 10.1 10.1 3332 44.2 % 3146 37.4 %
52 Counter 4.0 : 3054.1 14.0 14.0 1544 33.6 % 3193 32.3 %
53 LGEvolution 3.15.3 NN : 3048.4 14.6 14.6 1644 44.2 % 3101 44.2 %
54 Invictus r382 : 3045.8 15.0 15.0 1544 24.2 % 3270 26.5 %
55 Mantissa 3.3.0 NN : 3021.8 11.3 11.3 3188 35.4 % 3148 38.6 %
56 MrBob 1.10 : 3018.0 14.3 14.3 1644 40.2 % 3103 37.6 %
57 Cheng 4.041 : 2966.7 14.4 14.4 1644 33.8 % 3107 32.5 %
58 Bit-Genie 9 : 2964.2 15.0 15.0 1644 33.5 % 3107 32.4 %
59 Monolith 2 : 2951.5 15.4 15.4 1544 22.1 % 3201 25.1 %
60 Topple 0.8.1 : 2938.2 15.2 15.2 1644 30.4 % 3108 32.0 %
61 Asymptote 0.8 : 2864.9 15.6 15.6 1644 22.4 % 3113 26.1 %

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PostSubject: Re: Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments    Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments  EmptyTue Dec 06, 2022 9:23 am

Pretty cool....

And Rebel-16a (improved time control : game in x plus increment) likely will do a lot better.

http://rebel13.nl/dl/rebel-16a.7z

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PostSubject: Rebel 16a   Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments  EmptyTue Dec 06, 2022 10:29 am

Admin wrote:
Pretty cool....

And Rebel-16a (improved time control : game in x plus increment) likely will do a lot better.

http://rebel13.nl/dl/rebel-16a.7z


.... started 2500 games - hopefully results in 2 days

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PostSubject: Re: Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments    Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments  EmptyTue Dec 06, 2022 11:02 am

Admin wrote:
Pretty cool....

And Rebel-16a (improved time control : game in x plus increment) likely will do a lot better.

http://rebel13.nl/dl/rebel-16a.7z

I’m still doing rewrite of the time controller. Got it to about 2 percentage points better above the prior. Hopefully done by tomorrow.
Ponder should be done. Ed is testing it.
The -M124 thing, I can’t repeat, but will keep hunting.

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PostSubject: Re: Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments    Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments  EmptyTue Dec 06, 2022 11:07 am

2 percentage points should be about +14 Elo

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PostSubject: Rebel 16a gained 13 elo to Rebel 16   Rebel in my FACE -Tournaments  EmptyThu Dec 08, 2022 8:10 am

see table

Program                      Elo      +      -   Games   Score   Av.Op.  Draws

  1 Stockfish 15 NN          : 3700.0   13.0   13.0  2644    81.1 %   3433   36.4 %
  2 Berserk 10 NN            : 3598.2   11.7   11.7  2500    70.2 %   3440   53.7 %
  3 Berserk 9 NN             : 3571.0    9.4    9.4  4288    72.6 %   3384   44.9 %
  4 Rubi 20221120 NN         : 3541.2   11.4   11.4  2500    63.1 %   3442   62.8 %
  5 Koivisto 8.0 NN          : 3527.6    8.1    8.1  5832    71.4 %   3347   45.1 %
  6 Rebel 16a NN             : 3513.5   11.2   11.2  2500    59.5 %   3443   64.5 %
  7 Berserk 8.5.1 NN         : 3507.9   10.9   10.9  4732    85.9 %   3154   25.0 %
 8 Rebel 16.0 NN            : 3500.8   11.1   11.1  2500    58.0 %   3443   66.0 %
  9 Stockfish final HCE      : 3495.0   11.0   11.0  2500    57.0 %   3444   55.0 %
 10 Slow 2.9 NN              : 3472.5   10.9   10.9  2644    54.2 %   3442   63.5 %
 11 Rubi 20220813 NN         : 3469.7   11.1   11.1  2500    53.5 %   3445   63.9 %
 12 Seer 2.6 NN              : 3467.8   11.0   11.0  2500    53.3 %   3445   53.4 %
 13 Rubi 20220223 NN         : 3459.0   10.9   10.9  2644    52.4 %   3443   61.5 %
 14 RofChade 3.0 NN          : 3454.1   10.8   10.8  2644    51.7 %   3443   59.3 %
 15 Minic 3.27 NN            : 3421.3   11.2   11.2  2500    46.8 %   3447   61.6 %
 16 Uralochka 3.38c NN       : 3407.0   10.9   10.9  2500    44.8 %   3447   62.6 %
 17 Seer 2.5 NN              : 3400.8    6.9    6.9  7376    60.2 %   3315   39.3 %
 18 Rebel 15.1a NN           : 3389.3   11.1   11.1  2500    42.4 %   3448   56.8 %
 19 Rebel 15.1 NN            : 3384.9    8.8    8.8  4144    48.4 %   3399   52.9 %

 20 Igel 3.1.0 NN            : 3366.7   10.7   10.7  2644    39.7 %   3446   59.6 %
 21 BlackMarlin 7.0 NN       : 3360.7   11.2   11.2  2500    38.6 %   3449   53.1 %
 22 Uralochka 3.37c NN       : 3359.1    8.7    8.7  4144    44.9 %   3400   50.6 %
 23 Minic 3.24 NN            : 3358.3   11.0   11.0  2644    38.6 %   3447   54.4 %
 24 Komodo 13.02             : 3353.3   11.0   11.0  2644    37.9 %   3447   43.8 %
 25 Minic 3.21 NN            : 3349.1   12.7   12.7  1644    55.0 %   3313   47.6 %
 26 Arasan 23.4 NN           : 3342.5   11.3   11.3  2500    36.2 %   3450   54.2 %
 27 Wasp 6.00 NN             : 3336.9   11.3   11.3  2500    35.4 %   3450   52.5 %
 28 Booot 7 NN               : 3335.0   11.5   11.5  2500    35.2 %   3450   52.1 %
 29 Clover 3.1 NN            : 3311.1    8.0    8.0  4876    57.4 %   3253   41.3 %
 30 Rebel-Toga 15x2 NN       : 3296.6   12.7   12.7  1644    47.8 %   3316   44.3 %
 31 Tucano 10 NN             : 3295.0    8.1    8.1  4732    55.9 %   3249   45.4 %
 32 Rebel-Toga 15 NN         : 3275.1   13.3   13.3  1544    53.2 %   3253   40.6 %
 33 Seer 2.4 NN              : 3270.1   15.5   15.5  1644    72.0 %   3085   38.7 %
 34 Arasan 22.3 NN           : 3266.6    9.4    9.4  3188    47.7 %   3287   40.5 %
 35 Velvet 4.0.0 NN          : 3250.4   12.8   12.8  1644    41.4 %   3319   40.5 %
 36 Wasp 5.50 NN             : 3243.3   12.7   12.7  1644    40.5 %   3320   45.7 %
 37 Zahak 10.0 NN            : 3232.9    9.5    9.5  3188    43.2 %   3289   42.7 %
 38 Weiss 2.0                : 3222.3    9.5    9.5  3188    41.8 %   3290   39.0 %
 39 Velvet 3.3.0 NN          : 3211.8    9.9    9.9  3088    49.4 %   3219   38.3 %
 40 Defen 2.3                : 3209.7   12.9   12.9  1644    35.9 %   3322   37.1 %
 41 Rebel-Toga 14.2 NN       : 3208.8   13.4   13.4  1544    53.8 %   3181   38.9 %
 42 Combusken 2.0.0          : 3205.1   13.0   13.0  1644    35.3 %   3322   39.4 %
 43 Clover 3.0 NN            : 3192.7   14.6   14.6  1644    63.0 %   3090   40.0 %
 44 Zahak 9.0 NN             : 3188.4   10.4   10.4  3188    57.0 %   3135   39.2 %
 45 BlackMarlin 5.0 NN       : 3185.2    9.9    9.9  3088    45.9 %   3221   39.3 %
 46 Velvet 3.2.0 NN          : 3162.3   14.6   14.6  1644    59.2 %   3092   42.8 %
 47 Marvin 5.2 NN            : 3159.9    9.9    9.9  3088    42.6 %   3223   40.1 %
 48 Stash 32.0               : 3139.9    8.6    8.6  4732    45.7 %   3179   37.6 %
 49 Rebel-Fruit 14.1 NN      : 3135.1   14.3   14.3  1644    55.7 %   3094   36.9 %

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Thanks...

Expected elo gain, we are hoping for more with 16B. Sudden death time control is a hard cookie to optimize.

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