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fsanders




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PostSubject: Re: STS re-re-re-re-re-visited   STS re-re-re-re-re-visited - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 11, 2023 12:16 am

A new installation did not solve the problem. The solution was a bit tricky:

1) The temere.zip file that can be downloaded from your webside does not contain a file named make-html.bat

2) Adding this file in the temere folder did not solve the problem.

3) I also had to add the instruction "make-html.bat" at the end of the run-temere.bat file. After doing this everything worked better (but not the same as your output)

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PostSubject: Re: STS re-re-re-re-re-visited   STS re-re-re-re-re-visited - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 11, 2023 8:12 am

Operation goes via the batch-file STS.BAT

Code:
set MT=100
set HASH=64
set THREADS=1
set PROTOCOL=uci
set EPD=epd\test.epd
set MRL=mea_results

set EXE=engines\Koivisto_8.0.exe
set NAME=Koivisto_8.0
mea.exe --engine %EXE% --name %NAME% --hash %HASH% --threads %THREADS% --protocol %PROTOCOL% --epd %EPD% --movetime %MT%
mrl %MRL% %MRL% %EPD% %MT%

set EPD=epd\test.epd

Change the location of your epd

And double click STS.BAT
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peter




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PostSubject: Re: STS re-re-re-re-re-visited   STS re-re-re-re-re-visited - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 11, 2023 9:07 am

peter wrote:
How about that:
These 594 "best" (not too easy) positions out of 1500 of STS

https://www.dropbox.com/s/x4qmr9ucykk0r76/594.epd?dl=0

together with about 500 UHO (or of even less balanced Anti Draw)- opening postions out of Stefan Pohl's opening- sets?

https://www.sp-cc.de/uho_2022.htm

http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?p=941241#p941241
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PostSubject: Re: STS re-re-re-re-re-visited   STS re-re-re-re-re-visited - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 11, 2023 6:47 pm

First I tried the following:

1. Loaded down the file from your homepage and unzipped it
2. run the bat files as it comes with no changes nowhere
3. Result

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so strage result out of the box without touching anything.
So my conclusion is
a) the zip file from the homepage is broken or
b) my PC has something special that causes that behaviour.

I also tried the sts.bat as you sent. Result is better, but used time and solving time is not correct.

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If possible, and you can test steps 1 to 3 and get another result, than it can only be on my PC.


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PostSubject: Re: STS re-re-re-re-re-visited   STS re-re-re-re-re-visited - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 11, 2023 10:39 pm

At last I could make it work propperly. So I can say, the Zip file that can be downloades from

https://rebel13.nl/misc/mea.html

is broken.

The MEA tool that comes from one of this two links

http://rebel13.nl/dl/sts-lc0.7z

http://rebel13.nl/dl/sts-sf15.7z

is working propperly.
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PostSubject: Re: STS re-re-re-re-re-visited   STS re-re-re-re-re-visited - Page 2 EmptySat Feb 25, 2023 9:36 pm

peter wrote:

together with about 500 UHO (or of even less balanced Anti Draw)- opening postions out of Stefan Pohl's opening- sets?

https://www.sp-cc.de/uho_2022.htm

Here I collected 548 out of Stefan Pohl's
UHO_2022_6mvs_+180_+189.pgn
and
UHO_2022_8mvs_+180_+189.pgn
about equally mixed positions after 5, 6 and 7 moves.
To be downloaded in set together with sts-SF15.epd as 2048- position suite in MEA- syntax from here

https://www.dropbox.com/s/i24egoj6wz3f719/uhost.epd?dl=0

Results so far again seem to be even a little bit nearer to VSTC game playing ones then MEA-STS already is:

Code:
    EPD  : uhosts
    Time : ms
                                               Max     Total   Time   Hash          
    Engine           Score   Found  Pos   ELO  Score   Rate    ms     Mb  Cpu      
 1  SF230302         24509   1628  2048  4149  26584  92.2%    100     8    8
 2  SF15             24429   1634  2048  4135  26584  91.9%    100     8    8
 3  lc0230217-325M   24065   1598  2048  4072  26584  90.5%    200     2    2
 4  Dragon3.2        23984   1586  2048  4059  26584  90.2%    100     8    8
 5  Berserk11.1      22949   1501  2048  3883  26584  86.3%    100     8    8
 6  Rebel16.2        22099   1424  2048  3739  26584  83.1%    100     8    8

                                    Created with MEA
                                          by
                                       Ferdinand
                                         Mosca

I have a bigger subset of opening positions and another one of 256 endgame positions only too, and I sometimes let them run all together in one suite of 2345 positions all in all, but I prefer having three singular runs for opening, midgame and endgame instead, with different TCs for different sets and different engine- pools.
That gives more exact answers to more exact questions. Wanting to get exact answers to exact questions as for game playing results one has to have different kinds of game playing matches at all as well, also with different hardware-TCs, different pools of opponents and different opening positions. Something like "overall playing strength" is elosion only anyhow, was always and is so even more nowadays
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PostSubject: Re: STS re-re-re-re-re-visited   STS re-re-re-re-re-visited - Page 2 EmptySun Feb 26, 2023 10:57 pm

peter wrote:

I have a bigger subset of opening positions and another one of 256 endgame positions only too, and I sometimes let them run all together in one suite of 2345 positions all in all

https://www.dropbox.com/s/z4og7ozuochu6ox/2345.epd?dl=0

e.g.:
Code:
    EPD  : epd\2345.epd
    Time : 100ms
                                               Max     Total   Time   Hash          
    Engine           Score   Found  Pos   ELO  Score   Rate    ms     Mb  Cpu      
 1  SF230203         29374   1898  2345  4072  32444  90.5%    100     8    8
 2  SF15             29096   1879  2345  4036  32444  89.7%    100     8    8
 3  Dragon3.2        28518   1819  2345  3955  32444  87.9%    100     8    8
 4  lc0230217-325M   28237   1814  2345  3915  32444  87.0%    200     2    2
 5  Berserk11.1      27004   1719  2345  3744  32444  83.2%    100     8    8
 6  Ethereal14       26349   1665  2345  3654  32444  81.2%    100     8    8
 7  Rebel16.2        26133   1633  2345  3622  32444  80.5%    100     8    8
 8  Kovisto9.2       25842   1656  2345  3586  32444  79.7%    100     8    8

                                    Created with MEA
                                          by
                                       Ferdinand
                                         Mosca
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PostSubject: Re: STS re-re-re-re-re-visited   STS re-re-re-re-re-visited - Page 2 EmptyMon Feb 27, 2023 1:04 am

It's almost for real.

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PostSubject: Re: STS re-re-re-re-re-visited   STS re-re-re-re-re-visited - Page 2 EmptyWed Mar 01, 2023 7:23 am

Better as for determinism of course is single thread (3.5GHz), thus A-B-engines can be compared directly (with same TC) to LC0 at two threads of CPU and 3070ti Nvidia GPU, value at "Hash" there stands for NN-cache instead.
And then 200msec. instead of 100 give again even a little bit nearer to VSTC game playing comparable results:

Code:
    EPD  : epd\2345.epd
    Time : 200ms
                                               Max     Total   Time   Hash          
    Engine           Score   Found  Pos   ELO  Score   Rate    ms     Mb  Cpu      
 1  SF230203         28537   1838  2345  3960  32444  88.0%    200     4    1
 2  SF15             28500   1826  2345  3951  32444  87.8%    200     4    1
 3  lc0230217-325M   28237   1814  2345  3915  32444  87.0%    200     2    2
 4  Dragon3.2        27679   1763  2345  3838  32444  85.3%    200     4    1
 5  Berserk11.1      27391   1757  2345  3798  32444  84.4%    200     4    1
 6  Ethereal14       26920   1723  2345  3735  32444  83.0%    200     4    1
 7  Rebel16.2        26847   1689  2345  3721  32444  82.7%    200     4    1
 8  Koivisto9.2      26702   1716  2345  3703  32444  82.3%    200     4    1
 9  Wasp6.50         26070   1632  2345  3618  32444  80.4%    200     4    1
10  PowerFritz18     25484   1615  2345  3532  32444  78.5%    200     4    1

                                    Created with MEA
                                          by
                                       Ferdinand
                                         Mosca
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