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PostSubject: Rebel 14    Rebel 14             EmptyWed Jan 12, 2022 4:14 pm

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Rebel 14 - back to the roots of 19 years ago and 350 elo stronger than the latest ProDeo 3.1

http://rebel13.nl/windows/rebel-14.html

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PostSubject: Re: Rebel 14    Rebel 14             EmptyWed Jan 12, 2022 4:24 pm

Thanks for the new Rebel Ed. If you find time please add MP support as I have 64 cores at my disposal, and would like to try your engine on multiple cores.

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PostSubject: Re: Rebel 14    Rebel 14             EmptyWed Jan 12, 2022 8:07 pm

I am little irritated.
This is a pimped fruit.
The evaluation has been replaced with a nnue net.
The net was generated out of Benjamin data.
But why is it rebel14 ?!

It has a different evaluation.
That was generated out of Benjamin data.

Imo its more a fruit-benjamin clone.
I would think different if ed would implement nnue in pro deo or an old rebel. But this is not the case here, or ?!
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PostSubject: Re: Rebel 14    Rebel 14             EmptyWed Jan 12, 2022 8:07 pm

Damir Desevac wrote:
Thanks for the new Rebel Ed. If you find time please add MP support as I have 64 cores at my disposal, and would like to try your engine on multiple cores.

Maybe some day but I am not very interested to step into the arena again. Best would be to move the nnue stuff into a new engine. Toga IV comes to mind as the most easy job. But no hard promise.
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PostSubject: Re: Rebel 14    Rebel 14             EmptyWed Jan 12, 2022 8:10 pm

I see that you experiment with neural nets.
That what most programmers do in the moment.

Replacing the old human chess evaluation with neural net code.

And generating this net with your own engines.
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PostSubject: Re: Rebel 14    Rebel 14             EmptyWed Jan 12, 2022 8:13 pm

Mclane wrote:
I am little irritated.
This is a pimped fruit.
The evaluation has been replaced with a nnue net.
The net was generated out of Benjamin data.
But why is it rebel14 ?!

It has a different evaluation.
That was generated out of Benjamin data.

Imo its more a fruit-benjamin clone.
I would think different if ed would implement nnue in pro deo or an old rebel. But this is not the case here, or ?!

In some cases, I quite like irritating people who need to be irritated.
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PostSubject: Re: Rebel 14    Rebel 14             EmptyThu Jan 13, 2022 5:02 pm

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Damir Desevac wrote:
Thanks for the new Rebel Ed. If you find time please add MP support as I have 64 cores at my disposal, and would like to try your engine on multiple cores.

Maybe some day but I am not very interested to step into the arena again. Best would be to move the nnue stuff into a new engine. Toga IV comes to mind as the most easy job. But no hard promise.

Ed I have one small request. Can you add Threads options in GUI parameters, even if Rebel is just using 1 core. I have tried and run Rebel in Infinity GUI server, and engine there detects 0 CPU and stops responding after couple of moves. I think Infinity GUI can not detect number of Threads Rebel is using is because engine does not show a setting in the command window for threads. So engine is using 0 cores..
Some gui need the hash and cores in parameters so engine can function properly, if you can fix this would be great? Just by adding Threads to 1 will fix this.
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PostSubject: Re: Rebel 14    Rebel 14             EmptyThu Jan 13, 2022 8:58 pm

I am [J.B.] currently testing Rebel 14 for the 40/4 CEGT ratinglist together with Wolfgang Battig, the first results are looking very good, the Elo rating in CEGT is about 100 Elo lower than in the GRL-list. Thanks for this strong engine. https://cegt.forumieren.com/t1654-testing-rebel-14nn

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PostSubject: Re: Rebel 14    Rebel 14             EmptyThu Jan 13, 2022 9:04 pm

After so many years a new rebel. Amazing.

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PostSubject: Re: Rebel 14    Rebel 14             EmptyThu Jan 13, 2022 11:19 pm

Dio wrote:
I am [J.B.] currently testing Rebel 14 for the 40/4 CEGT ratinglist together with Wolfgang Battig, the first results are looking very good, the Elo rating in CEGT is about 100 Elo lower than in the GRL-list. Thanks for this strong engine. https://cegt.forumieren.com/t1654-testing-rebel-14nn

Boy, you are fast Smile

The GRL is on a pause, still need my comps to test new NNUE magic Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Rebel 14    Rebel 14             EmptySat Jan 15, 2022 1:18 am

Ed, I have a few questions. Chris, Pawel also can answer, because it is a topic that I find deeply interesting, and any comment is welcome.

Does the search impact the evaluation at the same depth? I use both Rebel 14, the Rebel NN with Marvin [and Marvin with the previous Benjamin net]. But I often get different evaluations, let's say at depth 14, between Rebel 14 and Marvin_Rebel. What could cause it? Pruning? Extensions? An example, to make myself clear:

[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. g3 e5 7. Nb3 Be7 8. Bg2
O-O 9. O-O Be6 10. a4 Nbd7 *
[/pgn]

In this position, Rebel 14 proposes 11. Nd5, while Marvin_Rebel and Marvin_Benjamin (the older net) both proposes 11. Re1 (before ultimatively switching to other moves); at move 7, Rebel 14 chooses Nde2, again when Marvin_Rebel goes with Nb3. So I thought that it was mainly caused by the search. There also seems that there is a certain randomness in Marvin (non-deterministic engine?), because when I reanalized the same position it chose a different move (11.h3), while Rebel 14 sticked with 11. Nd5.

How big is the influence of the search on the final evaluation? I understand theoretically the effects (both the benefits and the dangers) of pruning, but how important is it? You spoke about the negative effects of pruning on Pro Deo's style. You mentioned something like "pruning knowledge". Could you explain a bit more?
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PostSubject: Re: Rebel 14    Rebel 14             EmptySat Jan 15, 2022 6:52 am

Yes, search matters, sometimes even the size of the hash table. Marvin has a better search, if I were you I would use Marvin.
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PostSubject: Re: Rebel 14    Rebel 14             EmptySat Jan 15, 2022 11:12 am

Yes, I use Marvin_Rebel most of the time, and also Marvin_Benjamin. I can compare the two nets, the style of play is the one I want (very active, aggressive, often spectacular), and it has multiPV.

But for me, it is now clear that the net IS the engine, and that Marvin_Rebel is much more Rebel than Marvin. And it is really a great engine for analysis, incredibly human. It reminds me the way the evaluation was developed before Texel tunning and similar automated ways of tuning.
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PostSubject: Re: Rebel 14    Rebel 14             EmptySat Jan 15, 2022 7:07 pm

That's the point some people on Talkchess don't understand. Rebel 14 isn't Fruit, it's Benjamin, Marvin with Benjamin net isn't Marvin any longer. What Fruit and Marvin contribute is the elo that comes with its search. In theory I could add Benjamin NN to SF and SF is no SF any longer. I don't know what Dietrich did with Toga, if he trained a NN with Toga it is still Toga, if he used SF it is SF with the strength of the Toga search.
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PostSubject: Re: Rebel 14    Rebel 14             EmptySat Jan 15, 2022 8:39 pm

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48Colossus2008b 34,5/212000000000000000000000000=00=00000=0=00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000=000000000000=00000=0000000000000=0000=00000100000=1=010010000=00=00==0=010011=1=0==· ·· ·=1=0=010=111111=0=11=111 1524,25 
49Delfi5.0 32,5/2120000000000000000000000000000000000000000000=00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000=0000000000=0000000=001100000=00000000=00000=00=100===010000=0=0100===0==000001011=0=1· ·· ·111=1011=1=000011111 1391,00 
50K2_091 [pb] 24,5/21200000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001000000100=000010000000000=0=00010=0=00001=1000===101000=· ·· ·000011111111111= 794,00 
51DeepPatzer 3.80 [t2] 15,5/21200000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000=00=00000000000000000000000000000=0000000000000000000000000000000000=0=00000000000=0=00001001111· ·· ·010=0==1=111 444,00 
52RomiChess64P3n 14,5/212000000000000000000000000000000000=000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000=0000000000000000000100000100000000000000=0000==0000000==0=10000101=· ·· ·=011=011 489,00 
53DeepPatzer3.61 [t2] 14,0/212000000000010000000000000000000000000000000000001000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000100=00000000=00000000000000000000000000000000001001=00111000001==0=100· ·· ·0001 737,25 
54SOS 5.1 for Arena 11,0/21200000000000000000000000000000=00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000=000000010000000000000000=001=0=0000000000=00000=0000000000==000=1001110· ·· · 440,50 


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Beginn des Turniers: 2021.01.04, 14:39:31
Letzte Aktualisierung: 2022.01.15, 17:33:01
Ort/ Land: ORION8, Deutschland
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Hardware: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 mit AMD RX570 8 GB
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PostSubject: Re: Rebel 14    Rebel 14             EmptySat Jan 15, 2022 9:16 pm

Not bad at all.

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PostSubject: Re: Rebel 14    Rebel 14             EmptySat Jan 15, 2022 9:20 pm

Ed, Toga III has a net trained on Toga's data. Dark Toga is Toga's search + Dietrich's net The White Rose, trained on Bad Gyal data. Dietriech created several interesting nets before he started working for the Komodo team.

To add to your point, I asked in the thread about analysing with an engine how we should call these "hybrids". The point is that if you call Fruit with Rebel's net "Rebel", then you have to rename Sf 13 and 14 "Leela cpu", since the net is based on Lc0 data.
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PostSubject: Re: Rebel 14    Rebel 14             EmptySat Jan 15, 2022 9:28 pm

The reaction had little to nothing to do with the commercial brand "Rebel", but with SF and its cult.
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PostSubject: Re: Rebel 14    Rebel 14             EmptySun Jan 16, 2022 9:08 am

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Not bad at all.

Especially since the others use 6 threads while rebel14 only 1.

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PostSubject: Re: Rebel 14    Rebel 14             EmptySun Jan 16, 2022 5:12 pm

Dio wrote:
I am [J.B.] currently testing Rebel 14 for the 40/4 CEGT ratinglist together with Wolfgang Battig, the first results are looking very good, the Elo rating in CEGT is about 100 Elo lower than in the GRL-list. Thanks for this strong engine. https://cegt.forumieren.com/t1654-testing-rebel-14nn

The 1700 games show an almost 400 elo increase over its HCE version Benjamin 1.1
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PostSubject: Re: Rebel 14    Rebel 14             EmptySun Jan 16, 2022 5:13 pm

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Not bad at all.

Especially since the others use 6 threads while rebel14 only 1.

Ah, hence all these [t6].

And as a sort of compensation you gave Rebel 14 permanent brain access ?
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PostSubject: Re: Rebel 14    Rebel 14             EmptySun Jan 16, 2022 5:23 pm

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I am [J.B.] currently testing Rebel 14 for the 40/4 CEGT ratinglist together with Wolfgang Battig, the first results are looking very good, the Elo rating in CEGT is about 100 Elo lower than in the GRL-list. Thanks for this strong engine. https://cegt.forumieren.com/t1654-testing-rebel-14nn

The 1700 games show an almost 400 elo increase over its HCE version Benjamin 1.1

I remember your reaction when you first got this to work. Shock and awe.

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PostSubject: Re: Rebel 14    Rebel 14             EmptySun Jan 16, 2022 6:25 pm

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I am [J.B.] currently testing Rebel 14 for the 40/4 CEGT ratinglist together with Wolfgang Battig, the first results are looking very good, the Elo rating in CEGT is about 100 Elo lower than in the GRL-list. Thanks for this strong engine. https://cegt.forumieren.com/t1654-testing-rebel-14nn

The 1700 games show an almost 400 elo increase over its HCE version Benjamin 1.1

I remember your reaction when you first got this to work. Shock and awe.

Indeed.

And ~400 is a nice after shock.

Thought these kind of things only happen in Holywood movies.
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PostSubject: Re: Rebel 14    Rebel 14             EmptySun Jan 16, 2022 6:36 pm

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Not bad at all.

Especially since the others use 6 threads while rebel14 only 1.

Ah, hence all these [t6].

And as a sort of compensation you gave Rebel 14 permanent brain access ?

No all engines use pb.
I had to switch pb on in the style, otherwise it was off by default.
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PostSubject: Re: Rebel 14    Rebel 14             EmptyMon Jan 17, 2022 8:51 am

empty post, trying to get the thread on page 2.
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