Rebel 14

Rebel 14 - back to the roots of 19 years ago and 350 elo stronger than the latest ProDeo 3.1

http://rebel13.nl/windows/rebel-14.html

Thanks for the new Rebel Ed. If you find time please add MP support as I have 64 cores at my disposal, and would like to try your engine on multiple cores.

I am little irritated.
This is a pimped fruit.
The evaluation has been replaced with a nnue net.
The net was generated out of Benjamin data.
But why is it rebel14 ?!

It has a different evaluation.
That was generated out of Benjamin data.

Imo its more a fruit-benjamin clone.
I would think different if ed would implement nnue in pro deo or an old rebel. But this is not the case here, or ?!

Damir Desevac wrote:

Thanks for the new Rebel Ed. If you find time please add MP support as I have 64 cores at my disposal, and would like to try your engine on multiple cores.

Maybe some day but I am not very interested to step into the arena again. Best would be to move the nnue stuff into a new engine. Toga IV comes to mind as the most easy job. But no hard promise.

I see that you experiment with neural nets.
That what most programmers do in the moment.

Replacing the old human chess evaluation with neural net code.

And generating this net with your own engines.

Mclane wrote:

I am little irritated.
This is a pimped fruit.
The evaluation has been replaced with a nnue net.
The net was generated out of Benjamin data.
But why is it rebel14 ?!

It has a different evaluation.
That was generated out of Benjamin data.

Imo its more a fruit-benjamin clone.
I would think different if ed would implement nnue in pro deo or an old rebel. But this is not the case here, or ?!

In some cases, I quite like irritating people who need to be irritated.
-- Robert Smith

Admin wrote:

Damir Desevac wrote:

Thanks for the new Rebel Ed. If you find time please add MP support as I have 64 cores at my disposal, and would like to try your engine on multiple cores.

Maybe some day but I am not very interested to step into the arena again. Best would be to move the nnue stuff into a new engine. Toga IV comes to mind as the most easy job. But no hard promise.

Ed I have one small request. Can you add Threads options in GUI parameters, even if Rebel is just using 1 core. I have tried and run Rebel in Infinity GUI server, and engine there detects 0 CPU and stops responding after couple of moves. I think Infinity GUI can not detect number of Threads Rebel is using is because engine does not show a setting in the command window for threads. So engine is using 0 cores..
Some gui need the hash and cores in parameters so engine can function properly, if you can fix this would be great? Just by adding Threads to 1 will fix this.

I am [J.B.] currently testing Rebel 14 for the 40/4 CEGT ratinglist together with Wolfgang Battig, the first results are looking very good, the Elo rating in CEGT is about 100 Elo lower than in the GRL-list. Thanks for this strong engine. https://cegt.forumieren.com/t1654-testing-rebel-14nn

After so many years a new rebel. Amazing.

Dio wrote:

I am [J.B.] currently testing Rebel 14 for the 40/4 CEGT ratinglist together with Wolfgang Battig, the first results are looking very good, the Elo rating in CEGT is about 100 Elo lower than in the GRL-list. Thanks for this strong engine. https://cegt.forumieren.com/t1654-testing-rebel-14nn

Boy, you are fast

The GRL is on a pause, still need my comps to test new NNUE magic

Ed, I have a few questions. Chris, Pawel also can answer, because it is a topic that I find deeply interesting, and any comment is welcome.

Does the search impact the evaluation at the same depth? I use both Rebel 14, the Rebel NN with Marvin [and Marvin with the previous Benjamin net]. But I often get different evaluations, let's say at depth 14, between Rebel 14 and Marvin_Rebel. What could cause it? Pruning? Extensions? An example, to make myself clear:

[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. g3 e5 7. Nb3 Be7 8. Bg2
O-O 9. O-O Be6 10. a4 Nbd7 *
[/pgn]

In this position, Rebel 14 proposes 11. Nd5, while Marvin_Rebel and Marvin_Benjamin (the older net) both proposes 11. Re1 (before ultimatively switching to other moves); at move 7, Rebel 14 chooses Nde2, again when Marvin_Rebel goes with Nb3. So I thought that it was mainly caused by the search. There also seems that there is a certain randomness in Marvin (non-deterministic engine?), because when I reanalized the same position it chose a different move (11.h3), while Rebel 14 sticked with 11. Nd5.

How big is the influence of the search on the final evaluation? I understand theoretically the effects (both the benefits and the dangers) of pruning, but how important is it? You spoke about the negative effects of pruning on Pro Deo's style. You mentioned something like "pruning knowledge". Could you explain a bit more?

Yes, search matters, sometimes even the size of the hash table. Marvin has a better search, if I were you I would use Marvin.

Yes, I use Marvin_Rebel most of the time, and also Marvin_Benjamin. I can compare the two nets, the style of play is the one I want (very active, aggressive, often spectacular), and it has multiPV.

But for me, it is now clear that the net IS the engine, and that Marvin_Rebel is much more Rebel than Marvin. And it is really a great engine for analysis, incredibly human. It reminds me the way the evaluation was developed before Texel tunning and similar automated ways of tuning.

That's the point some people on Talkchess don't understand. Rebel 14 isn't Fruit, it's Benjamin, Marvin with Benjamin net isn't Marvin any longer. What Fruit and Marvin contribute is the elo that comes with its search. In theory I could add Benjamin NN to SF and SF is no SF any longer. I don't know what Dietrich did with Toga, if he trained a NN with Toga it is still Toga, if he used SF it is SF with the strength of the Toga search.

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Platz	Motor	Punkte	St	Lc	Dr	St	Lc	St	Lc	Dr	Lc	Lc	Dr	St	Et	St	Lc	St	Et	Ho	Ko	Ig	De	Ko	Wa	Ch	Wa	Se	De	De	Re	To	Eq	Se	De	Ma	Dr	Bo	Sm	Za	Cr	Pr	Be	Ro	Pr	Or	Co	De	Co	Co	De	K2	De	Ro	De	SO	S-B
01	Stockfish_13_win_x64_avx2 [t6]	179,5/212	· ·· ·	====	==1=	====	1===	====	====	==1=	===1	=1=1	====	==11	=011	111=	0=11	1=1=	=1=1	1=11	===1	1=1=	01=1	1111	1111	1111	=111	1111	1110	1111	1111	1=11	1111	1111	1111	0111	1111	1101	1111	1111	1111	1=11	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	17211,50
02	Lc0 0.28.0 dx12 radeon570 [j94-130]	173,5/212	====	· ·· ·	===1	====	=1==	====	11==	====	===1	0==1	=1==	1===	==1=	=1==	=1=0	=111	====	1=11	=111	1111	==11	==11	==11	1===	1111	1111	===1	1111	1111	1111	1=11	1==1	1=11	1=1=	111=	1111	11=1	1111	1=11	111=	1111	1111	11=1	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	16530,00
03	Dragon-2.5-64bit-avx2 [t6]	173,0/212	==0=	===0	· ·· ·	====	10==	===0	=1=1	1===	==0=	=11=	====	1=11	1==1	1=10	=00=	==10	11=1	==11	1==1	===1	1=1=	1111	0111	=11=	1111	1111	11=1	1011	11=1	1101	1111	1111	111=	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1101	1111	16255,50
04	Stockfish14_x64_avx2 [t6]	171,5/212	====	====	====	· ·· ·	====	====	==01	==00	====	0===	====	==01	111=	=1=1	1=1=	==11	1===	100=	==1=	1=11	==11	1111	1=1=	1111	1111	1111	1=11	1111	1111	1111	111=	0111	1111	1111	1=01	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1101	1111	1111	1111	1110	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	16108,75
05	Lc0 0.27.0 dx12 radeon570 [j94-130]	171,0/212	0===	=0==	01==	====	· ·· ·	=1==	====	====	==0=	====	===0	1=11	11==	10=1	==11	01=1	=1==	=111	=1==	==1=	1==1	==11	1=1=	1=1=	1=1=	111=	1111	1==1	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	111=	1111	1=11	1111	1111	=111	11=1	1=11	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	15940,00
06	Stockfish_12_x64 [t6]	171,0/212	====	====	===1	====	=0==	· ·· ·	====	=1=1	=11=	=10=	0===	==1=	====	=1=0	110=	====	==1=	1=01	===1	=1=1	0==1	1===	1=11	==11	11=1	=11=	1111	1111	1111	1=11	111=	1111	11=1	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	15815,25
07	Lc0 0.27.0 dx12 radeon570 [68286]	169,5/212	====	00==	=0=0	==10	====	====	· ·· ·	====	0===	===0	====	111=	=11=	1==1	1===	01==	=1=1	1111	==11	1=1=	=1=1	11=0	11==	11=1	1==1	1=11	111=	1111	1111	111=	==11	1111	1111	1111	1111	=111	=111	1111	1111	1==1	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	=11=	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	15796,75
08	Dragon-2.5-64bit-avx2 [t6, mcts]	169,0/212	==0=	====	0===	==11	====	=0=0	====	· ·· ·	====	==10	0===	1===	==10	1=00	11==	=1==	11=1	==1=	1=1=	===1	11=1	1111	=11=	1111	1=10	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	=1=1	11=1	11=1	1111	1111	1111	111=	=111	1=11	1=11	1111	11=1	1111	1111	1=11	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1=11	15796,75
09	Lc0 0.27.0 dx12 radeon570 [j94-120]	168,0/212	===0	===0	==1=	====	==1=	=00=	1===	====	· ·· ·	===1	===1	=1==	1===	=01=	====	==1=	1=1=	1=1=	==1=	1==0	=11=	=1=1	=111	=1=1	1=11	1111	11=1	11=1	1111	1111	1=10	1111	1==1	1111	1111	1111	1111	111=	=111	1111	1111	1=11	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1=1=	1111	1111	1111	1=11	1111	1111	15714,75
10	Lc0 0.27.0 dx12 radeon570 [j94-100]	168,0/212	=0=0	1==0	=00=	1===	====	=01=	===1	==01	===0	· ·· ·	=0==	1==0	1=1=	=1==	==11	=110	1===	====	=11=	111=	==1=	1===	==11	11==	11=1	111=	111=	1111	1111	11=1	1111	11=1	111=	1==1	1111	1111	1111	=111	1111	1111	1111	1111	11=1	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	15463,50
11	Dragon-64bit-avx2 [t6]	164,0/212	====	=0==	====	====	===1	1===	====	1===	===0	=1==	· ·· ·	0=1=	=11=	0===	==1=	=01=	===1	==1=	=1==	11==	11==	=111	==11	=011	1111	1111	=110	1011	1111	=111	1=11	1111	1111	1111	0111	1111	1111	111=	1=11	1=1=	1111	11=1	1101	1111	1111	0111	1101	1111	111=	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	15469,75
12	Stockfish_11_20011801_x64 [t6]	159,5/212	==00	0===	0=00	==10	0=00	==0=	000=	0===	=0==	0==1	1=0=	· ·· ·	0=1=	=0=1	11==	====	===0	==1=	==0=	==1=	=111	=11=	=111	11=1	1==1	011=	111=	1111	1111	11=1	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1011	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1110	1111	14103,25
13	Ethereal-13.00-pext-avx2 [t6, e13standard]	159,5/212	=100	==0=	0==0	000=	00==	====	=00=	==01	0===	0=0=	=00=	1=0=	· ·· ·	===1	==0=	01==	====	====	10==	1=1=	01==	1==1	=1=1	1111	1=11	11=1	111=	111=	1111	1111	1=11	1111	=111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	11=1	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	13939,50
14	Stockfish14_x64_avx2 [t6, no NNUE]	158,5/212	000=	=0==	0=01	=0=0	01=0	=0=1	0==0	0=11	=10=	=0==	1===	=1=0	===0	· ·· ·	=01=	00=0	0=0=	===1	====	=1==	=1=1	1==1	01==	1111	0111	=111	1111	111=	1110	1111	=111	1111	=11=	1111	11=1	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	13894,00
15	Lc0 0.27.0 dx12 radeon570 [703810]	157,5/212	1=00	=0=1	=11=	0=0=	==00	001=	0===	00==	====	==00	==0=	00==	==1=	=10=	· ·· ·	==1=	===1	===1	0===	101=	==10	====	1==1	11=1	1=0=	1=11	1=11	11==	1111	11=1	1111	1111	11=1	1111	1111	11=1	111=	1111	1111	1011	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	13920,25
16	Stockfish_13_win_x64_avx2 [t6, no NNUE]	157,0/212	0=0=	=000	==01	==00	10=0	====	10==	=0==	==0=	=001	=10=	====	10==	11=1	==0=	· ·· ·	01==	=1==	0=11	===1	1111	==01	=1=1	1===	0011	=111	1011	1111	111=	0=11	=111	1111	1111	1111	1011	1111	1111	1101	1111	111=	1011	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	13995,75
17	Ethereal-13.00-avx2 [t6, e13standard]	153,0/212	=0=0	====	00=0	0===	=0==	==0=	=0=0	00=0	0=0=	0===	===0	===1	====	1=1=	===0	10==	· ·· ·	===1	=0==	1===	0===	1===	1==1	=1==	====	=1=1	1111	1111	1=11	11=1	111=	111=	1=11	1111	1111	=111	1111	1=11	=111	=111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	13234,25
18	Houdini 6 [t6]	147,5/212	0=00	0=00	==00	011=	=000	0=10	0000	==0=	0=0=	====	==0=	==0=	====	===0	===0	=0==	===0	· ·· ·	==1=	=0=1	===1	=1==	=0=0	=1=1	11=1	1111	=111	1111	1111	===1	11==	1111	==11	1111	=111	1111	=111	1=11	1111	1==1	11==	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	12489,00
19	Komodo-14.1-64bit-bmi2 [t6]	144,0/212	===0	=000	0==0	==0=	=0==	===0	==00	0=0=	==0=	=00=	=0==	==1=	01==	====	1===	1=00	=1==	==0=	· ·· ·	===1	=0==	====	==0=	=101	1==1	=111	1101	=1==	0=11	0=11	=1=1	=111	11=1	111=	0=11	1111	111=	1111	1111	111=	1101	1111	1111	1111	1110	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	12364,25
20	Igel-x64_popcnt_avx2_3_0_0 [t6]	141,5/212	0=0=	0000	===0	0=00	==0=	=0=0	0=0=	===0	0==1	000=	00==	==0=	0=0=	=0==	010=	===0	0===	=1=0	===0	· ·· ·	===1	==1=	==01	1===	=111	=11=	1011	111=	1=1=	111=	110=	1111	==11	11=1	1111	1111	=1==	=11=	1111	1=11	1111	111=	1111	1111	1111	1111	11=1	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	11763,75
21	DeepHiarcs15 [t6]	141,5/212	10=0	==00	0=0=	==00	0==0	1==0	=0=0	00=0	=00=	==0=	00==	=000	10==	=0=0	==01	0000	1===	===0	=1==	===0	· ·· ·	0===	1===	1==1	1=1=	==1=	1===	11=1	==10	1101	1=1=	111=	1=11	1111	1111	1111	=101	1111	=111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	11667,25
22	Komodo-14.1-64bit-bmi2 [t6, mcts]	141,0/212	0000	==00	0000	0000	==00	0===	00=1	0000	=0=0	0===	=000	=00=	0==0	0==0	====	==10	0===	=0==	====	==0=	1===	· ·· ·	=1==	==11	11=1	111=	=10=	11=1	==11	1==1	1=11	1111	=111	1111	1111	1111	=11=	1111	11=1	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	111=	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	11376,25
23	Wasp520avx [t6]	136,5/212	0000	==00	1000	0=0=	0=0=	0=00	00==	=00=	=000	==00	==00	=000	=0=0	10==	0==0	=0=0	0==0	=1=1	==1=	==10	0===	=0==	· ·· ·	===1	1101	==01	111=	1011	1=11	111=	1111	1101	0===	=111	1111	111=	1111	11=1	=111	1111	1111	11=1	1111	1=11	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	10946,00
24	Chiron-5-64bit [t6]	126,5/212	0000	0===	=00=	0000	0=0=	==00	00=0	0000	=0=0	00==	=100	00=0	0000	0000	00=0	0===	=0==	=0=0	=010	0===	0==0	==00	===0	· ·· ·	=111	1==0	1===	=111	1=0=	==11	1===	=111	1=1=	1=11	1111	1111	111=	1111	111=	1101	=111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	9527,00
25	Wasp450-x64-modern [t6]	118,0/212	=000	0000	0000	0000	0=0=	00=0	0==0	0=01	0=00	00=0	0000	0==0	0=00	1000	0=1=	1100	====	00=0	0==0	=000	0=0=	00=0	0010	=000	· ·· ·	0==1	0===	01==	1=11	==10	1111	11=1	====	==11	=111	1111	1011	=11=	1=11	1111	111=	111=	1111	=111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	8624,25
26	Seer_znver2.0.1 [t6]	112,5/212	0000	0000	0000	0000	000=	=00=	0=00	0000	0000	000=	0000	100=	00=0	=000	0=00	=000	=0=0	0000	=000	=00=	==0=	000=	==10	0==1	1==0	· ·· ·	0===	==11	1111	01=1	11==	1001	1=10	1=11	1=10	111=	1111	1110	1111	=110	1111	1111	11=1	1011	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	7782,50
27	DeepHiarcs14WCSC [t6 ]	105,5/212	0001	===0	00=0	0=00	0000	0000	000=	0000	00=0	000=	=001	000=	000=	0000	0=00	0100	0000	=000	0010	0100	0===	=01=	000=	0===	1===	1===	· ·· ·	10==	110=	0=01	=0=0	==1=	11=0	====	====	1=01	1=11	1110	1111	=111	11=1	=11=	1111	111=	1111	11=1	=111	=111	11=1	1111	=11=	1111	1111	1111	7567,50
28	Deep Rybka 4.1 x64 [t6]	103,5/212	0000	0000	0100	0000	0==0	0000	0000	0000	00=0	0000	0100	0000	000=	000=	00==	0000	0000	0000	=0==	000=	00=0	00=0	0100	=000	10==	==00	01==	· ·· ·	100=	=1==	1=00	==1=	1111	=111	1011	0==1	1011	1011	1111	11=1	1111	1=1=	1111	1111	1111	11=1	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	6694,75
29	Rebel-14-avx2 [pb]	102,5/212	0000	0000	00=0	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0001	0000	000=	0=00	0000	1=00	0=0=	==01	==00	0=00	0=1=	0=00	0000	001=	011=	· ·· ·	0111	1==1	01==	==1=	===1	1111	=11=	1=1=	1101	0111	=111	1111	1111	1111	=111	11=1	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	6477,50
30	Toga3_0.3 net06 avx2 [t6]	100,0/212	0=00	0000	0010	0000	0000	0=00	000=	0000	0000	00=0	=000	00=0	0000	0000	00=0	1=00	00=0	===0	1=00	000=	0010	0==0	000=	==00	==01	10=0	1=10	=0==	1000	· ·· ·	10=0	=1=0	00=0	0111	====	1==1	11=0	1=11	011=	1=11	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	==11	1=11	1=11	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	6676,25
31	Equinox 3.30-x64 [t6]	99,0/212	0000	0=00	0000	000=	0000	000=	==00	0000	0=01	0000	0=00	0000	0=00	=000	0000	=000	000=	00==	=0=0	001=	0=0=	0=00	0000	0===	0000	00==	=1=1	0=11	0==0	01=1	· ·· ·	=100	0===	====	1==1	===1	1111	=111	0===	1=11	1111	1111	1=11	=1==	1111	1111	=111	111=	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	6557,50
32	Senpai_20-x64 [t6]	95,0/212	0000	0==0	0000	1000	0000	0000	0000	=0=0	0000	00=0	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	000=	0000	=000	0000	000=	0000	0010	=000	00=0	0110	==0=	==0=	10==	=0=1	=011	· ·· ·	10=0	010=	=111	===1	10=1	=11=	=111	1111	=111	1111	1111	1111	111=	1111	1111	1111	1=11	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	5726,00
33	DeepShredder13UCIx64 [t6]	89,5/212	0000	0=00	000=	0000	0000	00=0	0000	00=0	0==0	000=	0000	0000	=000	=00=	00=0	0000	0=00	==00	00=0	==00	0=00	=000	1===	0=0=	====	0=01	00=1	0000	==0=	11=1	1===	01=1	· ·· ·	111=	1=00	1=11	01=0	11=0	1110	0110	1100	1011	1101	1111	1111	0000	1001	1111	0011	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	6211,75
34	Marvin5.1.0_x86_64_avx2 [t6]	86,5/212	1000	0=0=	0000	0000	000=	0000	0000	00=0	0000	0==0	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	000=	00=0	0000	0000	=000	0=00	==00	0=00	====	=000	===0	1000	====	101=	000=	· ·· ·	1111	==0=	1=10	==11	=1=1	1111	0=11	=11=	1101	111=	1111	1=11	1111	1111	111=	1111	1111	1111	1111	1111	5076,75
35	Drofa_3.1.0 [t6]	79,5/212	0000	000=	0000	0=10	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	1000	0000	0000	00=0	0000	0100	0000	=000	1=00	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	=000	0=01	====	0100	0000	====	0==0	=000	0=11	0000	· ·· ·	0=1=	1=11	1010	1=01	=111	=111	11=0	1111	0=11	1111	11=1	1111	1=11	1111	1110	1=11	=111	1101	1111	4726,50
36	Booot6	78,0/212	0010	0000	0000	0000	0=00	0000	=000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0100	0000	0000	00=0	0000	=000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	000=	0000	0000	000=	0=10	1==0	=00=	0==0	===0	===0	0=00	==1=	1=0=	· ·· ·	==1=	=0=1	00=1	1==1	===1	==11	1111	11==	1111	1111	111=	11=1	1111	1111	1111	1111	1=11	=111	4350,50
37	SmarThink_v198_x64_standalone	77,0/212	0000	00=0	0000	0000	0000	0000	=000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	000=	0000	0000	=000	000=	=0==	=010	=00=	0000	000=	0100	0000	0=00	0100	0=0=	00=1	0000	01=0	10=1	0=01	0=00	==0=	· ·· ·	=01=	1101	101=	10==	==11	1111	111=	1011	1111	1111	1111	=111	1101	1111	1111	1111	1111	4317,50
38	Zappa Mexico II x64 [t6]	73,5/212	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	000=	000=	=000	000=	0000	0000	0000	0000	0010	0=00	0=00	0000	=00=	0000	0000	00=0	0000	=00=	0001	0001	0100	0010	0=00	=000	=00=	00=1	==00	0101	=1=0	=10=	· ·· ·	01=1	1=11	=101	1110	1=01	11=1	1=10	1111	1111	0111	11=1	1=11	1111	1111	11=1	0111	4169,50
39	Crafty-25-64-uci-ja [t6]	66,0/212	0000	0=00	0000	0000	=000	0000	0000	=000	=000	0000	0=00	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	=000	0000	0000	0000	=000	00=0	=000	000=	0=00	0000	0000	0000	1000	100=	1===	=000	0001	=0=0	0=10	11=0	0010	10=0	· ·· ·	110=	1010	1111	==1=	101=	=111	1100	=111	11=0	1=01	1101	1111	1111	1111	1111	3610,75
40	Prodeo3.1	62,5/212	0=00	000=	0000	0000	00=0	0000	0==0	0=00	0000	0000	0=0=	0000	0000	0000	0100	000=	=000	0==0	000=	0=00	0000	0000	0000	0010	0000	=001	=000	00=0	=000	0=00	0=00	0000	1001	0000	=000	0==0	010=	0=00	001=	· ·· ·	==0=	==1=	==0=	1==1	=10=	1111	1111	=101	1===	1111	1111	0111	1111	1111	3675,00
41	Benjamin 1.1 [pb]	59,5/212	0000	0000	0000	0000	0=00	0000	0000	0=00	0000	0000	0000	0000	00=0	0000	0000	0100	0000	00==	0010	0000	0000	0000	0000	=000	000=	0000	00=0	0000	0000	0000	0000	=000	0011	1=00	=000	===0	01==	=010	0101	==1=	· ·· ·	10=0	===0	=1=1	1=0=	=111	1==1	1011	1011	1111	1111	1101	1111	1111	3064,00
42	RodentII_x64	57,5/212	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0=00	0000	00=0	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	000=	0000	0000	00=0	0000	000=	0000	=00=	0=0=	0000	0000	0000	0000	0100	=00=	00=1	==00	==00	0001	0000	==0=	01=1	· ·· ·	1111	===1	0111	11=1	1111	11=1	11=1	1=1=	1111	1111	1111	1=11	2573,75
43	Prodeo YAT	47,5/212	0000	00=0	0000	0010	0000	0000	0000	00=0	0000	00=0	0010	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	00=0	0000	0000	0000	0000	0=00	0000	0010	0010	0000	0000	0000	0=10	==0=	==1=	===1	0000	· ·· ·	==10	1010	1=1=	1110	1=11	=101	1110	1111	1111	1111	0=1=	2260,25
44	Orion64-v0.7	44,5/212	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0=00	0000	=000	0100	000=	0000	=000	0000	=0==	0000	0000	000=	1=00	00==	000=	00=0	010=	0==0	=0=0	===0	==01	· ·· ·	1100	=00=	=11=	==1=	1===	1=1=	=1=1	1111	1111	1111	1891,75
45	Colossus2021b [pb]	44,5/212	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0001	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	00=0	0000	0000	000=	0000	0000	0000	0000	0100	0=01	=000	=01=	0=1=	1000	0101	0011	· ·· ·	1=01	===1	1011	1==1	1111	1111	1=11	1111	1111	1645,25
46	DeepGandalf7-64 [t2]	37,5/212	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0=00	0000	0000	1000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	00=0	00=0	0000	0000	0000	0000	1111	0=00	00=0	0000	0000	0000	0011	0000	=000	00=0	0=0=	=11=	0=10	· ·· ·	1000	00=0	1111	0=01	1111	11==	1111	11=1	1652,75
47	Colossus2021a [pb]	36,5/212	0000	0000	0000	0001	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0010	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	00=0	0000	000=	0000	0000	0000	0000	=000	0000	0000	==00	=000	0000	0110	0000	0000	000=	0000	0000	=000	0000	0==0	0000	0001	=00=	===0	0111	· ·· ·	=1==	0100	11==	11=1	1111	1011	1111	1651,25
48	Colossus2008b	34,5/212	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	=00=	0000	0=0=	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	=000	0000	0000	0=00	000=	0000	0000	0000	0=00	00=0	0000	1000	00=1	=010	0100	00=0	0=00	==0=	0100	11=1	=0==	· ·· ·	=1=0	=010	=111	111=	0=11	=111	1524,25
49	Delfi5.0	32,5/212	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	000=	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	00=0	0000	0000	0=00	0000	0=00	1100	000=	0000	0000	=000	00=0	0=10	0===	0100	00=0	=010	0===	0==0	0000	1011	=0=1	· ·· ·	111=	1011	=1=0	0001	1111	1391,00
50	K2_091 [pb]	24,5/212	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0001	0000	0010	0=00	0010	0000	0000	0=0=	0001	0=0=	0000	1=10	00==	=101	000=	· ·· ·	0000	1111	1111	111=	794,00
51	DeepPatzer 3.80 [t2]	15,5/212	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	=00=	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0=00	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	=0=0	0000	0000	00=0	=000	0100	1111	· ·· ·	010=	0==1	=111	444,00
52	RomiChess64P3n	14,5/212	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0=00	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	=000	0000	0000	0000	0000	1000	0010	0000	0000	0000	0=00	00==	0000	000=	=0=1	0000	101=	· ·· ·	=011	=011	489,00
53	DeepPatzer3.61 [t2]	14,0/212	0000	0000	0010	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0001	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0010	0=00	0000	00=0	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0100	1=00	1110	0000	1==0	=100	· ·· ·	0001	737,25
54	SOS 5.1 for Arena	11,0/212	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0=00	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	0000	=000	0000	1000	0000	0000	0000	0=00	1=0=	0000	0000	00=0	0000	=000	0000	000=	=000	=100	1110	· ·· ·	440,50

5724 Partien gespielt / Turnier beendet

Beginn des Turniers: 2021.01.04, 14:39:31
Letzte Aktualisierung: 2022.01.15, 17:33:01
Ort/ Land: ORION8, Deutschland
Spielstufe: Turnier 40/5
Hardware: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 mit AMD RX570 8 GB
Betriebssystem: Windows 10 Home Home Edition (Build 9200)
PGN-Datei: Ryzen 5 3600.pgn
Tabelle erstellt mit: Arena 2.0.1

Not bad at all.

Ed, Toga III has a net trained on Toga's data. Dark Toga is Toga's search + Dietrich's net The White Rose, trained on Bad Gyal data. Dietriech created several interesting nets before he started working for the Komodo team.

To add to your point, I asked in the thread about analysing with an engine how we should call these "hybrids". The point is that if you call Fruit with Rebel's net "Rebel", then you have to rename Sf 13 and 14 "Leela cpu", since the net is based on Lc0 data.

The reaction had little to nothing to do with the commercial brand "Rebel", but with SF and its cult.

Admin wrote:

Not bad at all.

Especially since the others use 6 threads while rebel14 only 1.

Dio wrote:

I am [J.B.] currently testing Rebel 14 for the 40/4 CEGT ratinglist together with Wolfgang Battig, the first results are looking very good, the Elo rating in CEGT is about 100 Elo lower than in the GRL-list. Thanks for this strong engine. https://cegt.forumieren.com/t1654-testing-rebel-14nn

The 1700 games show an almost 400 elo increase over its HCE version Benjamin 1.1

Mclane wrote:

Admin wrote:

Not bad at all.

Especially since the others use 6 threads while rebel14 only 1.

Ah, hence all these [t6].

And as a sort of compensation you gave Rebel 14 permanent brain access ?

Admin wrote:

Dio wrote:

I am [J.B.] currently testing Rebel 14 for the 40/4 CEGT ratinglist together with Wolfgang Battig, the first results are looking very good, the Elo rating in CEGT is about 100 Elo lower than in the GRL-list. Thanks for this strong engine. https://cegt.forumieren.com/t1654-testing-rebel-14nn

The 1700 games show an almost 400 elo increase over its HCE version Benjamin 1.1

I remember your reaction when you first got this to work. Shock and awe.

Chris Whittington wrote:

Admin wrote:

Dio wrote:

I am [J.B.] currently testing Rebel 14 for the 40/4 CEGT ratinglist together with Wolfgang Battig, the first results are looking very good, the Elo rating in CEGT is about 100 Elo lower than in the GRL-list. Thanks for this strong engine. https://cegt.forumieren.com/t1654-testing-rebel-14nn

The 1700 games show an almost 400 elo increase over its HCE version Benjamin 1.1

I remember your reaction when you first got this to work. Shock and awe.

Indeed.

And ~400 is a nice after shock.

Thought these kind of things only happen in Holywood movies.

Admin wrote:

Mclane wrote:

Admin wrote:

Not bad at all.

Especially since the others use 6 threads while rebel14 only 1.

Ah, hence all these [t6].

And as a sort of compensation you gave Rebel 14 permanent brain access ?

No all engines use pb.
I had to switch pb on in the style, otherwise it was off by default.

empty post, trying to get the thread on page 2.