Covid 19 Pandemie

Margaret Keenan is first gets the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine and contrary to the view of some anti-vaxxers does not turn into a frog.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/08/coventry-woman-90-first-patient-to-receive-covid-vaccine-in-nhs-campaign


A 90-year-old woman has become the first patient in the world to receive the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine after its approval in the UK, where the NHS has launched its biggest vaccine campaign.

duncan wrote:

Margaret Keenan is first gets the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine and contrary to the view of some anti-vaxxers does not turn into a frog.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/08/coventry-woman-90-first-patient-to-receive-covid-vaccine-in-nhs-campaign


A 90-year-old woman has become the first patient in the world to receive the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine after its approval in the UK, where the NHS has launched its biggest vaccine campaign.

Are you ok with the idea that those who choose not to take this vaccine should be restricted from travelling, going to theatre etc. maybe you think they should wear armbands, or some other form of identification?

Anton wrote:

duncan wrote:

Margaret Keenan is first gets the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine and contrary to the view of some anti-vaxxers does not turn into a frog.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/08/coventry-woman-90-first-patient-to-receive-covid-vaccine-in-nhs-campaign


A 90-year-old woman has become the first patient in the world to receive the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine after its approval in the UK, where the NHS has launched its biggest vaccine campaign.

Are you ok with the idea that those who choose not to take this vaccine should be restricted from travelling, going to theatre etc. maybe you think they should wear armbands, or some other form of identification?

Are you ok with the idea in principle that people who refuse to vaccinate and by their choice endanger other people, society should limit their freedoms if it can cause harm to others?

Let's say in a class in school, there is an immune compromised child who cannot vaccinate, the school should refuse to allow all children whose parents refuse to vaccinate them as their children's attendance will endanger the immune compromised non vaccinated child.

Some countries of Germany Begin with lockdown ... numbers do not decrease and the situation in hospitals is close to the limit. Something has to be done.

duncan wrote:

Anton wrote:

duncan wrote:

Margaret Keenan is first gets the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine and contrary to the view of some anti-vaxxers does not turn into a frog.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/08/coventry-woman-90-first-patient-to-receive-covid-vaccine-in-nhs-campaign


A 90-year-old woman has become the first patient in the world to receive the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine after its approval in the UK, where the NHS has launched its biggest vaccine campaign.

Are you ok with the idea that those who choose not to take this vaccine should be restricted from travelling, going to theatre etc. maybe you think they should wear armbands, or some other form of identification?

Are you ok with the idea in principle that people who refuse to vaccinate and by their choice endanger other people, society should limit their freedoms if it can cause harm to others?

No. Lets assume you take this vaccine, and lets also assume for arguments sake that the vaccine offers you protection from a particular virus, then you should not be concerned to be around others with said virus, otherwise why take it in the first place?

duncan wrote:

Let's say in a class in school, there is an immune compromised child who cannot vaccinate, the school should refuse to allow all children whose parents refuse to vaccinate them as their children's attendance will endanger the immune compromised non vaccinated child.

The immune compromised child should go live in a bubble, rather than force the rest of the class to take something that could cause them serious health issues. Many examples of vaccine programs causing harm on a large scale.

Anton wrote:

duncan wrote:

Margaret Keenan is first gets the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine and contrary to the view of some anti-vaxxers does not turn into a frog.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/08/coventry-woman-90-first-patient-to-receive-covid-vaccine-in-nhs-campaign


A 90-year-old woman has become the first patient in the world to receive the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine after its approval in the UK, where the NHS has launched its biggest vaccine campaign.

Are you ok with the idea that those who choose not to take this vaccine should be restricted from travelling, going to theatre etc. maybe you think they should wear armbands, or some other form of identification?

I am ok with the idea that in principle those who choose not to take this vaccine should not be allowed to endanger others.

For non essential things like going to a theatre, it is a no brainer not to allow it. One can debate where to draw the line. university, jobs etc. But the principle is valid imo.

Anton wrote:

duncan wrote:

Anton wrote:

duncan wrote:

Margaret Keenan is first gets the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine and contrary to the view of some anti-vaxxers does not turn into a frog.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/08/coventry-woman-90-first-patient-to-receive-covid-vaccine-in-nhs-campaign


A 90-year-old woman has become the first patient in the world to receive the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine after its approval in the UK, where the NHS has launched its biggest vaccine campaign.

Are you ok with the idea that those who choose not to take this vaccine should be restricted from travelling, going to theatre etc. maybe you think they should wear armbands, or some other form of identification?

Are you ok with the idea in principle that people who refuse to vaccinate and by their choice endanger other people, society should limit their freedoms if it can cause harm to others?

No. Lets assume you take this vaccine, and lets also assume for arguments sake that the vaccine offers you protection from a particular virus, then you should not be concerned to be around others with said virus, otherwise why take it in the first place?

duncan wrote:

Let's say in a class in school, there is an immune compromised child who cannot vaccinate, the school should refuse to allow all children whose parents refuse to vaccinate them as their children's attendance will endanger the immune compromised non vaccinated child.

The immune compromised child should go live in a bubble, rather than force the rest of the class to take something that could cause them serious health issues. Many examples of vaccine programs causing harm on a large scale.

Which vaccine programs caused harm on a large?

Anton wrote:

No. Lets assume you take this vaccine, and lets also assume for arguments sake that the vaccine offers you protection from a particular virus, then you should not be concerned to be around others with said virus, otherwise why take it in the first place?

Covid vaccine does not offer 100% protection , especially in the Uk with oxford vaccine which most people are likely to get. So you are still at risk


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55228422

When the interim trial results were made public in a press release about a fortnight ago, the researchers reported three efficacy levels for the vaccine - an overall effectiveness of 70%, a lower one of 62% and a high of 90%.

That's because different doses of the vaccine were used in one part of the trial. Some volunteers were given shots that were half the strength than originally planned.

Yet that "wrong" dose turned out to be a winner - giving 90% protection - while two standard doses gave 62%.

29.875 New infections in Germany today.

Insane.
That looks not good.

As I said many times before this second wave is HIGH.
IMO only a complete lockdown over Christmas / new year can help to reduce numbers,
Reduce contacts = reduce infections.

The usual parties have to be cancelled IMO.

As it seems germany will
go into lockdown at Monday.
As it seems all shops close
despite food.
Also people will not be allowed
To go outside if not for work.
Or visit each other despite
23-26.12.

Imo lockdown will be until 10th
January.

The numbers increase and increase
And we have no chance to handle
this in hospitals anymore without
Complete lockdown.

I guess other countries follow.


I knew the numbers of the second wave would be much more dangerous then 2nd wave.
Was similar with spanish flue.

Sweden has no IC units anymore. They are full.

Mclane wrote:

As it seems germany will
go into lockdown at Monday.
As it seems all shops close
despite food.
Also people will not be allowed
To go outside if not for work.
Or visit each other despite
23-26.12.

Imo lockdown will be until 10th
January.

The numbers increase and increase
And we have no chance to handle
this in hospitals anymore without
Complete lockdown.

I guess other countries follow.


I knew the numbers of the second wave would be much more dangerous then 2nd wave.
Was similar with spanish flue.

What you mean, other countries follow? France is under strict lockdown for some time. Including having to complete a form even to go buy food.

Mclane wrote:

Sweden has no IC units anymore. They are full.

When Trump was infected, he was given artificial antibodies, and he immediately recovered.

It's clear to me that this is the future: it's expensive now, but the sooner we all decide that this is what we're going to do, the sooner the price will come down.

Trump said he was going to make his treatment available to all infected Americans, but it looks as though in January he will be replaced by the puppet Biden.

Germany in alarm condition while Netherlands in much worse state. Should have learned from the Netherlands that soft measures don't work. Perhaps the politicians already knew that but making scene now.

Can compute price of human life now. How many euro's. Or fee of being locked up.

Germany thinks more and more about triage and whom to help.
This is the result of people underestimating the second wave.
When I read the data and articles about Spanish flu it was clear to me that that second wave is a big one.

And I was right,
When a country like Germany who organised first wave with very good numbers talks about triage in the second wave, I can make an educated guess how other countries will survive the second wave.

I guess Chris w. will survive Covid 19 because he lives at the asshole of the world somewhere deep into France with the next motorway link 60 km away. And in between only small villages.
And zillions of roundabouts.
Even the letterbox is km away from the house.
If the Russians would invade France, or the Germans, nobody would find him.



That is different from where I live.
Here the next motorway link is only 1 km away.

Since we ar cut now from the american racists, I do believe that they will have a tough time after thanksgiving and Christmas.

Stay save. Isolate you with chess. Do chess on the Internet or with your computer. It will save your life.

Do chess. Telephone. Use amateur radio or newsgroups.
Do computerchess. But do not meet with others in real life.

Sweden has the deadliest November Since 1918.

According to this calculator - link - I'll be offered a vaccine late in June. I'll be disappointed if Covid-19 is still around by then.

And the virus... mutates.

Just thinking out loud: maybe the top priority for vaccination should be the men-about-town who are spreading the disease rather than elderly people. Having said that, I would be amazed if there exists a man about town who isn't already immune.

Now flying out of uk is not allowed. The country known as “uk” seems pretty isolated, reminds me on the BSE scandal.

Seems „uk“ develops into a kind of virus island, like the pestilence or cholera islands in the medieval or the BSE origin island in former times.

Kind of the new Australia.
Criminals and crooks into a prison that is the continent.

Welcome to brexit colony.


What a pity,
but that happens if you vote for stupid politicians.
We Germans can tell you about this.

Any society gets the politicians they deserve.
The Americans had trump disaster. The brits have the Johnson problem, and Germany had the kaiser and later the Führer.

Mclane wrote:

but that happens if you vote for stupid politicians.

You appear to be saying that the new strain of Covid-19 is a consequence of political decisions.

Impressive!

Johnson Never fought corona. In fact he shook all kind of foreign hands. And did not wear a mask. An idiot. Like trump.

Do you think the inhabitants will survive the Covid 19 crisis ?
Or will this be the end of the country ?

Mclane wrote:

Do you think the inhabitants will survive the Covid 19 crisis ?
Or will this be the end of the country ?

Mass vaccination is underway in the UK. Also, the second wave might spread more quickly, but it isn't as lethal:

Infections - link

Deaths - link

It seems to me that global infection is peaking right now - link.

Finally, I think that the men about town who are spreading the disease must be getting immunity to it. I am surprised the infection rate has climbed again.

We don’t know if the mutated virus can be handled with the vaccine,
It can be that the Virus finds a way to change itself so good the vaccines are hopeless.