EvD = Erich von Däniken

This is the original tablet from the British Museum.

Please explain to me how it could change to the above picture you posted.

The British Museum has dated the tablet to 650 BC, you speak of 3300 BC.

Ed there is no difference between the schematic and the image in the british museum. The schematic only explains the structures you see on the original. It shows which stars and zodiacs are seen and why.
Like many old civilisations the cultures were good astronoms and knew about the precession.
The precession is the reason the image on the disc dates back to a constellation in sky that is from 3300 bc.

The knowledge of the precession and how it effects the movement of the zodiacs in the sky got lost and it took time for another discovery of the precession that is usually attributed to Hipparchus (190–120 BC).
But if we study the writings of egypts and other civilisations you can see that they knew about it much earlier.

E.g. the arrangement of the pyramid complexes e.g. in egypt dates them to a certain astronomical date, zep tepi (the first time) when the “gods where on earth”.

Same with the pyramid pattern in south america and china.

You maybe remember this image:

This is no science, mere speculation and tunnel vision. Sorry.

However, there is little doubt that in the early civilization something terrible has happened to planet earth, too many flood stories from various world wide civilizations. We don't know what happened, too speculate is fun, but not facts. My gamble, something big from space hit earth in the sea which caused huge world wide tsunamis.

This is what the last postings here were all about. Younger dryas comet impact in the ice.
And then an asteroid hitting austria and causing severe heat when it crashed mountain top.

Both events must have caused catastrophic changed.

Admin wrote:

Mclane wrote:

https://curiosmos.com/5100-years-ago-an-ancient-sumerian-astronomer-drew-a-star-map-detailing-massive-cosmic-impact/?fbclid=IwAR2K7TD4o4Xt0jwvMzpGbE0nqNVginRvxX1myNHDxOlqmKXBGcDdDiVtyeo_aem_AfqlBX-mpTMbGxB1tONGKm_jx-zpQOm8cptewHKj97qmREikaKzOjh15SLT6zr2CoCU

Compare the picture and text with the British museum.

https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/W_K-8538

I trust the info of the British Museum.

I can't really verify where the celestial equator was at 3300 BC or compare that with the tablet, sure some more mathematically capable person has a astronomical program that can calculate that for any date so at least you could see if the celestial equator ran through the Pleiades or not (by 3300 BC). Don't have it. Here is a picture of what the pole star was at that time, the celestial equator is the circle in the sky with the celestial North pole (the pole star that we know, or the location of the star closest to it in ancient times) at the top of the dome with the circle of the ecliptic 90 degrees south of it as base of the dome. I'm just posting it for the picture can't verify the text. But it gives you an idea to visualize precession that I found helpful.

https://www.quora.com/Did-the-ancient-Sumerians-possess-knowledge-of-the-Earth-s-precessional-zodiac

But it is possible to search for the object mentioned and there is some more scientifically oriented evidence for a date predating the ancent pyramids in Egypt and an astronomical impact at the time, in Austria no less (as Thorsten writes above too) so Von Däniken would have been intrigued by that I'm sure, don't know what he writes, I only know what Thorsten posts here. But the date would be 29 june 3123 Before Christ, so that would at least corroborate some of the story...

https://phys.org/news/2008-03-cuneiform-clay-tablet.html

On a very sidenote, the circles of the ecliptic and the celestial equator intersecting, with a third circle of the Milky Way, the basis of the ancient original and partly lost map from the Sumerian astronomer, although I do not know if the Milky Way was added in the Sumerian map, also have connotations that maybe would more at home in the religion forum, if anyone wants to move this thread. Please do not be offended, but notice the resemblance of the star map to this, a Chi Rho Christogram in the beautiful Milan cathedral :



Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christogram


The cathedral of Milan, dedicated to the Nativety of Saint Mary, the Chi-Rho monogram is dedicated to Saint Ambrose:

Eelco the chi ro is not a Jesus or Christian Symbol .
It's a Caesar symbol.

Caesar lived 100 before "Jesus" myth
The christians chi Ro Symbol was copied from Caesar.

Before the christians were state religion Caesars "divus Julius" was state religion.

Everything the christians said about Jesus is in fact stolen or copied from Caesars divus Julius.

Watching this on a big monitor in full screen mode, the mosaic really comes to life, almost as if standing there in Basilica of San Clemente in Rome. I thought it was beautiful. It is just an excerpt I just found, but the rest of the video has beautiful imagery too, what I have seen of it.

I was looking for images of Jesus as the Tree of Life. I did not find an awful lot but this as a very clear example I thought. It is a Sunday today, I thought it was appropriate to let the church speak for itself for its origins. And it it is after all the Pro Deo forum   .

I'm in associative mode I suppose, and when I look at the Rho symbol in the Christogram, what I see is the third band and it is, like in the video, a symbolization of Jesus as representing here the Tree of Life. I'm sure I did not come up with that on my own and must have seen many of these associations before, some hidden, and open to other interpretations too. But to me that associates with the Milky Way mostly. That is maybe mostly my own association if interpretating the Christogram as a star map. Now if you go looking for representations of the Tree of Life, it is literally everywhere. In Christianity, I read it is distinct from The Tree of Knowledge by the way, so when the video presentator speaks of the tree bringing death in the Adam and Eve story, I am not sure that was not the tree of knowledge? Another scholarly debate.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_life

Von Däniken would have written ten books about the Tree of Life being everywhere on earth, in mythology and religion, but it touches maybe too directly on religion and well, it is easy to antagonize a predominantly Christian audience of his books. Especially in Switzerland,  just look at the national flag, fiery red with the white cross, or think of the Swiss guard in the Vatican. Maybe he is a practising Christian too, I do not know. I can't remember having read anything written by Von Däniken about the New Testament especially, but my memories are also of reading some books in the seventies, so very old. I think he stayed clear of that.

As far as i see it the mosaic is nearly 1100 years made after jesus existed, if he existed at all.
While between divus julius and jesus was only 100 years.

In 1100 years a lot can happen.
But within 100 years, everything is close to the original.

As the chi ro and divus julius religion had in common.

40,000-year-old cave paintings reveal the use of complex astronomy.
Scientists Find 40,000-Year-Old Star Maps Featuring ‘Sophisticated Knowledge of Constellations’

Ancient paintings previously thought to have been prehistoric animal symbols have recently been identified as ancient star maps, demonstrating that humans had sophisticated knowledge of stars and constellations more than 40,000 years ago.

The animal symbols found in many cave paintings throughout Europe represent constellations rather than simple depictions of wild animals. These symbols mark significant events such as asteroid strikes, according to a new study published by the University of Edinburgh.

Understanding the Precession of the Equinoxes

Ancient people were aware of the gradual change in Earth’s rotational axis, a phenomenon called the precession of the equinoxes. This discovery was previously attributed to the ancient Greeks. “Early cave art shows that people had advanced knowledge of the night sky within the last ice age. But, intellectually, they were hardly any different to us today,” explained Dr. Martin Sweatman from the University of Edinburgh.

Researchers from the Universities of Edinburgh and Kent studied ancient cave art in Turkey, Spain, France, and Germany. They determined the age of the art by chemically dating the paints used by ancient humans. Using computer software, they predicted the position of the stars when the paints were created, revealing that the abstract animal depictions could be interpreted as constellations as they appeared in the distant past.

The cave paintings indicate that ancient humans practiced a sophisticated timekeeping method based on astronomical calculations, even though the paintings were separated in time by tens of thousands of years. The world’s oldest sculpture, the Lion-Man of Hohlenstein-Stadel Cave from 38,000 BC, also conforms to this ancient time-keeping system.

Connecting Art to Catastrophic Events

The mysterious Lion-Man figurine is believed to commemorate a catastrophic asteroid impact that occurred around 11,000 years ago, initiating the Younger Dryas Event, a period of sudden climate cooling.



https://www.athensjournals.gr/history/2019-5-1-1-Sweatman.pdf

Mclane wrote:

The cave paintings indicate that ancient humans practiced a sophisticated timekeeping method based on astronomical
calculations, even though the paintings were separated in time by tens of thousands of years. The world’s oldest sculpture, the Lion-Man
of Hohlenstein-Stadel Cave from 38,000 BC, also conforms to this ancient time-keeping system.

Connecting Art to Catastrophic Events

The mysterious Lion-Man figurine is believed to commemorate a catastrophic asteroid impact that occurred around 11,000 years ago,
initiating the Younger Dryas Event, a period of sudden climate cooling.

Hmmmm... in one sentence you've dated the lion man from 38,000 BC, then, two sentences later, you've dated it to 11,000 years ago (which would be 9,000 BC).

The lion man is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion-man
between 35,000 and 41,000 years old.

Mclane wrote:

The lion man is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion-man
between 35,000 and 41,000 years old.

Thanks for that. Very interesting artifact!

Being that old precludes it from having been made to commemorate an event that happened 11,000 years ago, though.

The methods of using animals / zodiacs to describe time ( moving zodiac in the sky = gigantic clock).
Today we have analog clock with 3 moving arrows for seconds, minutes, hours circling a 12 parts divided circle to present time.

Or a digital clock with numbers hh mm ss.

The humans at the time of caves had animal representation/ zodiacs such as lion, bear, scorpius, bull,


Sweatman shows that the animals on caves and religious temples or buildings are not
Naturalistic paintings but Astronomy.

This is the link between nature - religion - astrology - astronomy