Chess System Tal 2 released

Posts : 112 Join date : 2022-07-19

Mclane wrote:

results of my 8 core machine, permanent brain worked;

opening books did not work.

Code:: Motor Punkte CS Et CS Dr Re St Dr Be Lc Wa De Bo Pe Ko Ko Lc Ch De Eq De CS Co S-B
01: CSTal2-v21-E1019-Elo-avx2 [t4] 64,5/84 ···· ==== ==== 01== ==== 10=1 ==== ===1 ==1= 111= 1111 101= 1111 111= 1=== 1111 =111 11=1 1111 1111 1111 1111 2382,2
02: Ethereal-14.00-pext-avx2 [t4] 63,5/84 ==== ···· ==== 01== ==== 1==1 ==== ==== =1== 111= =1== =1== 1111 1111 1111 1=11 1110 1111 0111 1111 1111 1111 2355,0
03: CSTal2-v21-E1162-130-EAS-avx2 [t4] 63,5/84 ==== ==== ···· ==== =1== 0=== 11== 1=0= ===1 11== 111= 1111 1==1 =111 1=1= 111= ==11 1111 1=11 1111 1111 1111 2352,5
04: Dragon-3.1-64bit-avx2 [t4] 62,5/84 10== 10== ==== ···· ==== ==11 ==0= ==01 1=11 1=10 ==11 1=== 1101 1==1 11== 1111 1111 1111 =111 1111 1111 1111 2300,2
05: Rebel-16.2 [t4] 60,5/84 ==== ==== =0== ==== ···· 0==0 0=01 ===1 ==== 1==1 1==1 1=== 1==1 1=11 1=1= 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 2152,5
06: Stockfish15.1-avx2 [t4] 59,5/84 01=0 0==0 1=== ==00 1==1 ···· 11== ==0= 101= 1110 1111 1101 1=11 101= 1100 110= 1101 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 2172,0
07: Dragon-3.1-64bit-avx2 [t4, mcts] 58,5/84 ==== ==== 00== ==1= 1=10 00== ···· ==== =100 1111 =011 11=1 ===1 ===1 11== 1111 11=1 1==1 =111 1111 1111 1111 2116,7
08: Berserk-11-x64-avx2-pext [t4] 57,0/84 ===0 ==== 0=1= ==10 ===0 ==1= ==== ···· ==== 1=== =0== 1=== 1=1= =1=1 1=1= 1=1= 1111 1=11 1111 11=1 1111 1111 2063,7
09: Lc0 0.29.0 rc1 radeon gpu dx12 [753723] 55,0/84 ==0= =0== ===0 0=00 ==== 010= =011 ==== ···· =11= ==11 10=1 1=== 110= 111= 1=11 1=11 1=1= =111 1=11 1111 1111 1951,2
10: Wasp600-win-avx [t4] 45,0/84 000= 000= 00== 0=01 0==0 0001 0000 0=== =00= ···· =0=0 ==== =0== ==== 11=1 1111 111= 1111 11=1 1111 1111 1111 1394,0
11: DeepHiarcs15.0 [t4] 41,5/84 0000 =0== 000= ==00 0==0 0000 =100 =1== ==00 =1=1 ···· ===1 =1== 011= ===1 0=== =1=0 ==== 111= =111 =1=1 1111 1396,7
12: Booot7 [t4] 41,0/84 010= =0== 0000 0=== 0=== 0010 00=0 0=== 01=0 ==== ===0 ···· =1=1 00== =1== 0011 1=00 ===1 1=11 =111 1111 1=11 1396,0
13: Pedone3.1_avx2 [t4] 39,5/84 0000 0000 0==0 0010 0==0 0=00 ===0 0=0= 0=== =1== =0== =0=0 ···· ==== =111 ===0 1=1= =1== 111= 1=11 11=1 1111 1247,0
14: Komodo-14.1-64bit [t4, mcts] 39,0/84 000= 0000 =000 0==0 0=00 010= ===0 =0=0 001= ==== 100= 11== ==== ···· =11= =0=0 11== 11== 1==1 0111 101= 1111 1283,5
15: Komodo-14.1-64bit [t4] 34,5/84 0=== 0000 0=0= 00== 0=0= 0011 00== 0=0= 000= 00=0 ===0 =0== =000 =00= ···· 1111 1001 1110 10=0 1101 0111 1111 1139,7
16: Lc0 0.29.0 rc1 radeon gpu dx12 [j94-130] 30,5/84 0000 0=00 000= 0000 0000 001= 0000 0=0= 0=00 0000 1=== 1100 ===1 =1=1 0000 ···· =101 0=10 1101 =110 1101 1111 909,25
17: Chiron-5-64bit [t4] 28,5/84 =000 0001 ==00 0000 0000 0010 00=0 0000 0=00 000= =0=1 0=11 0=0= 00== 0110 =010 ···· 1==0 =01= 1==1 ==1= 1111 867,25
18: DeepShredder13UCIx64 [t4, buffer6] 24,0/84 00=0 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0==0 0=00 0=0= 0000 ==== ===0 =0== 00== 0001 1=01 0==1 ···· 10=1 =0=0 1==1 1101 708,75
19: Equinox 3.30-x64 [t4] 22,0/84 0000 1000 0=00 =000 0000 0000 =000 0000 =000 00=0 000= 0=00 000= 0==0 01=1 0010 =10= 01=0 ···· 10== 1=1= 1111 604,50
20: Deep Rybka 4.1 x64 [t4] 16,5/84 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 00=0 0=00 0000 =000 =000 0=00 1000 0010 =001 0==0 =1=1 01== ···· =001 0111 412,25
21: CSTal3 5' 14,0/84 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 =0=0 0000 00=0 010= 1000 0010 ==0= 0==0 0=0= =110 ···· 0111 325,25
22: Colossus2022a [t4] 3,5/84 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0=00 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0010 0000 1000 1000 ···· 75,00

924 Partien gespielt / Turnier beendet
Name des Turniers: Ryzen7 5700
Ort/ Land: LAPTOP-JTQQP8M7, Deutschland
Spielstufe: Turnier 40/5
Hardware: AMD Ryzen 7 5700U with Radeon Graphics mit 4.096 MB Speicher

weird result, not only does dragon usually beat weaker engines, it also majorly underperformed here. Same with SF15.1 being below ethereal.

Posts : 880 Join date : 2020-11-25 Location : USA

Here is my analysis

Enter New Game Line 0.0
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Analysis by Lc0 v0.30.0-rc1:

24.Qh6+ Kg8
White is slightly better.
+/= (0.63) Depth: 1/2 00:00:02 2Nodes
24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.c4
White is slightly better.
+/= (0.59) Depth: 2/3 00:00:02 3Nodes
24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.c4 Qb4
White is slightly better.
+/= (0.38) Depth: 2/4 00:00:02 4Nodes
24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.g5 Nd5 26.Qxh7+
White has an edge.
= (0.30) Depth: 3/5 00:00:02 7Nodes
24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.g5 Nd5 26.Qxh7+ Kf8
The position is equal.
= (0.20) Depth: 3/6 00:00:02 14Nodes
24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.c4 Re6 26.g5 Nh5 27.Rxh5 gxh5
White is slightly better.
+/= (0.40) Depth: 4/8 00:00:02 35Nodes
24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.c4 Re6 26.g5 Nh5 27.Rxh5 gxh5 28.Qxh5
White is slightly better.
+/= (0.44) Depth: 4/9 00:00:02 43Nodes
24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.c4 Re6 26.g5 Nh5 27.Rxh5 gxh5 28.Qxh5 Kf8
White is slightly better.
+/= (0.43) Depth: 4/10 00:00:02 44Nodes
24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.c4 Re6 26.g5 Nh5 27.Rxh5 gxh5 28.Qxh5 Kf8 29.Qxh7
White is slightly better.
+/= (0.40) Depth: 4/11 00:00:02 66Nodes
24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.c4 Re6 26.g5 Nh5 27.Rxh5 gxh5 28.Qxh5 Kf8 29.Qxh7 Qb4
White is slightly better.
+/= (0.43) Depth: 5/12 00:00:02 90Nodes
24.c4 Qb4 25.Qh6+ Kg8 26.g5 Nh5 27.Rxh5 gxh5 28.Rxh5 Bf5
White is slightly better.
+/= (0.48) Depth: 5/12 00:00:02 117Nodes
24.c4 Qb4 25.c5 dxc5 26.Qh6+ Kg8 27.g5 Nh5 28.Rxh5 gxh5 29.Rxh5 Bf5
White is slightly better.
+/= (0.36) Depth: 6/12 00:00:02 318Nodes
24.c4 Qb4 25.c5 dxc5 26.Qh6+ Kg8 27.g5 Nh5 28.Rxh5 gxh5 29.Rxh5 Bf5 30.g6
White is slightly better.
+/= (0.34) Depth: 6/13 00:00:02 360Nodes
24.c4 Qb4 25.c5 dxc5 26.Qh6+ Kg8 27.g5 Nh5 28.Rxh5 gxh5 29.Rxh5 Bf5 30.g6 Bxg6
White has an edge.
= (0.28) Depth: 6/14 00:00:02 425Nodes
24.c4 a5 25.c3 a4 26.Nd2 h5 27.gxh5 Bf5+ 28.Ne4 Bxe4+ 29.fxe4
The position is equal.
= (0.05) Depth: 7/14 00:00:03 1338Nodes
24.c4 a5 25.c3 a4 26.Nd2 h5 27.gxh5 Bf5+ 28.Ne4 Qc5 29.Qxc5 dxc5 30.hxg6 Nxe4 31.gxf7
The position is equal.
= (0.03) Depth: 7/15 00:00:03 1822Nodes
24.c4 a5 25.c3 a4 26.Nd2 h5 27.gxh5 Bf5+ 28.Ka1 Nxh5 29.Ne4 Bxe4 30.fxe4 Qc5 31.Qg5 Qxc4
The position is equal.
= (0.02) Depth: 7/16 00:00:03 1959Nodes
24.c4 a5 25.Qh6+ Kg8 26.Nd2 Qb4+ 27.Kc1 Qa3+ 28.Kb1
The position is equal.
= (0.00) Depth: 7/17 00:00:03 2315Nodes
24.c4 a5 25.Qh6+ Kg8 26.Nd2 Qb4+ 27.Kc1 Qa3+ 28.Kb1
The position is equal.
= (0.00) Depth: 7/18 00:00:03 2670Nodes
24.c4 a5 25.Qh6+ Kg8 26.Nd2 Qb4+ 27.Kc1 Qa3+ 28.Kb1
The position is equal.
= (-0.01) Depth: 8/18 00:00:03 2779Nodes
24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.Ka1 Be6 26.Qg5 Kg7 27.Qh6+ Kg8
The position is equal.
= (-0.08) Depth: 8/18 00:00:03 4064Nodes
24.Ka1 Be6 25.Qh6+ Kg8 26.Qg5 Kg7 27.Qh6+
The position is equal.
= (-0.02) Depth: 8/18 00:00:03 6407Nodes
24.Ka1 Be6 25.Qh6+ Kg8 26.Qg5 Kg7 27.Qh6+
The position is equal.
= (-0.06) Depth: 8/19 00:00:05 13kN
24.Ka1 Be6 25.Qh6+ Kg8 26.Qg5 Kg7 27.Qh6+
The position is equal.
= (-0.06) Depth: 8/20 00:00:05 13kN
24.Ka1 Be6 25.Qh6+ Kg8 26.Qg5 Kg7 27.Qh6+
The position is equal.
= (-0.06) Depth: 8/21 00:00:05 13kN
24.Ka1 Be6 25.Qh6+ Kg8 26.Qg5 Kg7 27.Qh6+
The position is equal.
= (-0.06) Depth: 8/22 00:00:05 14kN
24.Ka1 Be6 25.Qh6+ Kg8 26.Qg5 Kg7 27.Qh6+
The position is equal.
= (-0.06) Depth: 8/23 00:00:05 14kN
24.Ka1 Be6 25.Qh6+ Kg8 26.Qg5 Kg7 27.Qh6+
The position is equal.
= (-0.06) Depth: 8/24 00:00:05 14kN
24.Ka1 Be6 25.Qh6+ Kg8 26.Qg5 Kg7 27.Qh6+
The position is equal.
= (-0.07) Depth: 9/24 00:00:06 17kN
24.c4 a5 25.Qh6+ Kg8 26.Nd2 Qb4+ 27.Kc1 Qc3 28.Ne4 Qa1+ 29.Kd2 Qd4+ 30.Kc1 Qa1+
The position is equal.
= (-0.13) Depth: 9/24 00:00:08 24kN
24.c4 a5 25.Qh6+ Kg8 26.Nd2 Qb4+ 27.Kc1 Qc3 28.Ne4 Qa1+ 29.Kd2 Qd4+ 30.Kc1 Qa1+
The position is equal.
= (-0.14) Depth: 9/25 00:00:08 25kN
24.c4 a5 25.Qh6+ Kg8 26.Nd2 Qb4+ 27.Kc1 Qc3 28.Ne4 Qa1+ 29.Kd2 Qd4+ 30.Kc1 Qa1+
The position is equal.
= (-0.14) Depth: 9/26 00:00:08 25kN
24.c4 a5 25.Qh6+ Kg8 26.Nd2 Qb4+ 27.Kc1 Qc3 28.Ne4 Qa1+ 29.Kd2 Qd4+ 30.Kc1 Qa1+
The position is equal.
= (-0.15) Depth: 9/27 00:00:08 26kN
24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.Ka1 Be6 26.Qg5 Kg7 27.Qh6+ Kg8
The position is equal.
= (-0.15) Depth: 9/27 00:00:09 29kN
24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.Rh3 Be6 26.Qg5 Kg7 27.Qh6+ Kg8
The position is equal.
= (-0.15) Depth: 10/27 00:00:09 29kN
24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.Rh3 Qa4 26.Rh4 Qc6 27.c4 Qxf3 28.Nd2 Qc3 29.g5 Qxd2 30.gxf6 Qxh6 31.Rxh6 Bc6 32.R1h3 Re6 33.Rxh7 g5
The position is equal.
= (-0.17) Depth: 10/28 00:00:09 31kN
24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.Rh3 Qa4 26.Rh4 Qc6 27.c4 Qxf3 28.Nd2 Qc3 29.g5 Qxd2 30.gxf6 Qxh6 31.Rxh6 Bc6 32.R1h3 Re6 33.Rxh7 g5
The position is equal.
= (-0.17) Depth: 10/29 00:00:09 32kN
24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.c4 a5 26.Nd2 Bc6 27.g5 Nd7 28.Qxh7+ Kf8 29.f4 Qb4+ 30.Kc1 exf4 31.Rf1 Re5 32.Rhf2 Qa3+ 33.Kb1 f3 34.Nxf3
The position is equal.
= (-0.17) Depth: 11/29 00:00:11 40kN
24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.c4 a5 26.Nd2 Bc6 27.g5 Nd7 28.Qxh7+ Kf8 29.Rf1 Qb4+ 30.Kc1 Qc3 31.f4 Ba4 32.Nb1 Qxc4 33.Rff2 Nc5 34.Qh3 exf4 35.Qh8+ Ke7 36.Qc3
The position is equal.
= (-0.19) Depth: 11/30 00:00:12 48kN
24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.c4 a5 26.Nd2 Bc6 27.g5 Nd7 28.Qxh7+ Kf8 29.Rf1 Qb4+ 30.Kc1 Qc3 31.f4 Ba4 32.Nb1 Qxc4 33.Rff2 Nc5 34.Qh3 exf4 35.Qh8+ Ke7 36.Qc3
The position is equal.
= (-0.20) Depth: 11/31 00:00:12 48kN
24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.c4 a5 26.Nd2 Bc6 27.g5 Nd7 28.Qxh7+ Kf8 29.Rf1 Qb4+ 30.Kc1 Qc3 31.f4 Ba4 32.Nb1 Qxc4 33.Rff2 Nc5 34.Qh3 exf4 35.Qh8+ Ke7 36.Qc3
The position is equal.
= (-0.20) Depth: 11/32 00:00:12 48kN
24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.c4 a5 26.Nd2 Bc6 27.g5 Nd7 28.Qxh7+ Kf8 29.Rf1 Qb4+ 30.Kc1 Qc3 31.f4 Ba4 32.Nb1 Qxc4 33.Rff2 Nc5 34.Qh3 exf4 35.Qh8+ Ke7 36.Qc3
The position is equal.
= (-0.20) Depth: 11/33 00:00:12 48kN
24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.c4 a5 26.Nd2 Bc6 27.g5 Nd7 28.Qxh7+ Kf8 29.Rf1 Qb4+ 30.Kc1 Qc3 31.f4 Ba4 32.Nb1 Qxc4 33.Rhf2 Ke7 34.f5 Nc5 35.fxg6 Nd3+ 36.Kd1 Nxf2+ 37.Rxf2
The position is equal.
= (-0.21) Depth: 11/34 00:00:13 49kN
24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.c4 a5 26.Nd2 Bc6 27.g5 Nd7 28.Qxh7+ Kf8 29.Rf1 Qb4+ 30.Kc1 Qc3 31.f4 Ba4 32.Nb1 Qxc4 33.Rhf2 Ke7 34.f5 Nc5 35.fxg6 Nd3+ 36.Kd2 Qxc2+ 37.Ke3
The position is equal.
= (-0.22) Depth: 11/35 00:00:13 51kN
24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.c4 a5 26.Nd2 Bc6 27.g5 Nd7 28.Qxh7+ Kf8 29.Rf1 Qb4+ 30.Kc1 Qc3 31.f4 Ba4 32.Nb1 Qxc4 33.Rhf2 Ke7 34.f5 Nc5 35.fxg6 Nd3+ 36.Kd2 Qxc2+ 37.Ke3
The position is equal.
= (-0.22) Depth: 12/35 00:00:16 67kN
24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.c4 a5 26.Nd2 Bc6 27.g5 Nd7 28.Qxh7+ Kf8 29.Rf1 Qb4+ 30.Kc1 Qc3 31.f4 Ba4 32.Nb1 Qxc4 33.Rhf2 Ke7 34.f5 Nc5 35.fxg6 Nd3+ 36.Kd2 Qxc2+ 37.Ke3
Black has an edge.
= (-0.23) Depth: 12/36 00:00:17 75kN
24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.c4 a5 26.Nd2 Bc6 27.g5 Nd7 28.Qxh7+ Kf8 29.Rf1 Qb4+ 30.Kc1 Qc3 31.f4 Ba4 32.Nb1 Qxc4 33.Rhf2 Ke7 34.f5 Nc5 35.fxg6 Nd3+ 36.Kd1 Nxf2+ 37.Rxf2 Qd4+ 38.Ke1
Black has an edge.
= (-0.25) Depth: 13/37 00:00:20 88kN
24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.c4 a5 26.Nd2 Bc6 27.g5 Nd7 28.Qxh7+ Kf8 29.Rf1 Qb4+ 30.Kc1 Qc3 31.f4 Ba4 32.Nb1 Qxc4 33.Rhf2 Ke7 34.f5 Nc5 35.fxg6 Nd3+ 36.Kd1 Nxf2+ 37.Rxf2 Qd4+ 38.Ke1
Black has an edge.
= (-0.27) Depth: 13/38 00:00:23 100kN
24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.c4 a5 26.Nd2 Bc6 27.g5 Nd7 28.Qxh7+ Kf8 29.Rf1 Qb4+ 30.Kc1 Qc3 31.f4 Ba4 32.Nb1 Qxc4 33.Rhf2 Ke7 34.f5 Nc5 35.fxg6 Nd3+ 36.Kd1 Nxf2+ 37.Rxf2 Qd4+ 38.Ke1
Black has an edge.
= (-0.28) Depth: 13/38 00:00:28 125kN
24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.c4 a5 26.Nd2 Bc6 27.g5 Nd7 28.Qxh7+ Kf8 29.Re1 b5 30.Qh4 Ke7 31.cxb5 Bd5 32.c4 Qb4+ 33.Ka1 Qc3+ 34.Kb1 Be6 35.Qf2 Bf5+ 36.Ne4 Qxc4 37.Rc1 Qxb5+ 38.Ka1 Rb8 39.Qd2 Bxe4 40.fxe4 Qb4 41.Qxb4 Rxb4 42.Rc7 Rxe4 43.Rh8
Black has an edge.
= (-0.27) Depth: 13/39 00:00:33 146kN
24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.c4 a5 26.Nd2 Bc6 27.g5 Nd7 28.Qxh7+ Kf8 29.Re1 b5 30.Qh4 Ke7 31.cxb5 Bd5 32.c4 Qb4+ 33.Ka1 Qc3+ 34.Kb1 Be6 35.Qf2 Bf5+ 36.Ne4 Qxc4 37.Rc1 Qxb5+ 38.Ka1 Rb8 39.Qd2 Bxe4 40.fxe4 Qb4 41.Qxb4 Rxb4 42.Rc7 Rxe4 43.Rh8
Black has an edge.
= (-0.26) Depth: 13/40 00:00:33 146kN
24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.c4 a5 26.Nd2 Bc6 27.g5 Nd7 28.Qxh7+ Kf8 29.Re1 b5 30.Qh4 Ke7 31.cxb5 Bd5 32.c4 Qb4+ 33.Ka1 Qc3+ 34.Kb1 Be6 35.Qf2 Bf5+ 36.Ne4 Qxc4 37.Rc1 Qxb5+ 38.Ka1 Rb8 39.Qd2 Bxe4 40.fxe4 Qb4 41.Qxb4 Rxb4 42.Rc7 Rxe4 43.Rh8
Black has an edge.
= (-0.26) Depth: 14/40 00:00:33 146kN
24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.c4 a5 26.Nd2 Bc6 27.g5 Nd7 28.Qxh7+ Kf8 29.Re1 b5 30.Qh4 Ke7 31.cxb5 Bd5 32.c4 Be6 33.Qf2 Qb4+ 34.Ka1 Qc3+ 35.Kb1 Bf5+ 36.Ne4 Qxc4 37.Rc1 Qxb5+ 38.Ka1 Rb8 39.Qd2 Bxe4 40.fxe4 Qb4 41.Qd5 Rb5 42.Qd3 Nc5 43.Qc4
Black has an edge.
= (-0.29) Depth: 14/40 00:00:38 176kN

(, 02.07.2023)

Posts : 112 Join date : 2022-07-19

mwyoung wrote:

texium wrote:

mwyoung wrote:

texium wrote:: Fascinating game where CSTal crushes leela in a sicilian with the black pieces when white leaves book winning. Sacrifices expected. First move out of book is move 14
[pgn]
[Event "CSTal vs Leela T1"]
[Site "Lucas Chess R 2.08a"]
[Date "2023.07.01"]
[White "Lc0 v0.30.0"]
[Black "CSTal-NN-Strong"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "3700"]
[BlackElo "3700"]
[ECO "B78"]
[TimeControl "180+2"]
[PlyCount "144"]
[Opening "Sicilian Defence: Dragon Variation, Yugoslav Attack, Old Line"]
[Termination "Mate"]

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 O-O 8.Qd2 Nc6
9.Bc4 Bd7 10.O-O-O Rc8 11.Bb3 Ne5 12.h4 Nc4 13.Bxc4 Rxc4 14.h5 {[%emt
00:00:23.61]}{[%clk 00:02:38.39]} Nxh5 {[%emt 00:00:7.37]}{[%clk 00:02:54.63]}
15.g4 {[%emt 00:00:2.00]}{[%clk 00:02:38.39]} Nf6 {[%emt 00:00:4.93]}{[%clk
00:02:51.69]} 16.Bh6 {[%emt 00:00:5.61]}{[%clk 00:02:34.78]} Nxe4 {[%emt
00:00:9.11]}{[%clk 00:02:44.59]} 17.Qe3 {[%emt 00:00:7.00]}{[%clk 00:02:29.78]}
Rxc3 {[%emt 00:00:3.97]}{[%clk 00:02:42.61]} 18.bxc3 {[%emt 00:00:3.75]}{[%clk
00:02:28.03]} Nf6 {[%emt 00:00:6.55]}{[%clk 00:02:38.06]} 19.Bxg7 {[%emt
00:00:3.49]}{[%clk 00:02:26.54]} Kxg7 {[%emt 00:00:7.53]}{[%clk 00:02:32.53]}
20.Rh2 {[%emt 00:00:13.50]}{[%clk 00:02:15.03]} Qa5 {[%emt 00:00:8.15]}{[%clk
00:02:26.38]} 21.Nb3 {[%emt 00:00:5.07]}{[%clk 00:02:11.96]} Qa3+ {[%emt
00:00:4.47]}{[%clk 00:02:23.91]} 22.Kb1 {[%emt 00:00:6.05]}{[%clk 00:02:7.91]}
Re8 {[%emt 00:00:5.23]}{[%clk 00:02:20.68]} 23.Rdh1 {[%emt 00:00:11.55]}{[%clk
00:01:58.37]} e5 {[%emt 00:00:3.59]}{[%clk 00:02:19.09]} 24.Qg5 {[%emt
00:00:4.08]}{[%clk 00:01:56.29]} Bc6 {[%emt 00:00:4.43]}{[%clk 00:02:16.66]}
25.Rh3 {[%emt 00:00:8.57]}{[%clk 00:01:49.72]} a5 {[%emt 00:00:3.52]}{[%clk
00:02:15.13]} 26.Qh6+ {[%emt 00:00:4.82]}{[%clk 00:01:46.89]} Kg8 {[%emt
00:00:5.03]}{[%clk 00:02:12.11]} 27.Qc1 {[%emt 00:00:2.87]}{[%clk 00:01:46.03]}
Qxc1+ {[%emt 00:00:3.39]}{[%clk 00:02:10.72]} 28.Kxc1 {[%emt 00:00:2.54]}{[%clk
00:01:45.48]} e4 {[%emt 00:00:3.56]}{[%clk 00:02:9.16]} 29.fxe4 {[%emt
00:00:10.95]}{[%clk 00:01:36.54]} Re5 {[%emt 00:00:3.35]}{[%clk 00:02:7.82]}
30.Rg1 {[%emt 00:00:3.20]}{[%clk 00:01:35.34]} Rg5 {[%emt 00:00:4.22]}{[%clk
00:02:5.60]} 31.Rf3 {[%emt 00:00:5.55]}{[%clk 00:01:31.79]} Nxg4 {[%emt
00:00:3.36]}{[%clk 00:02:4.24]} 32.Nd4 {[%emt 00:00:4.19]}{[%clk 00:01:29.60]}
Be8 {[%emt 00:00:5.83]}{[%clk 00:02:0.40]} 33.Rd3 {[%emt 00:00:6.70]}{[%clk
00:01:24.90]} h5 {[%emt 00:00:2.58]}{[%clk 00:01:59.83]} 34.Nf3 {[%emt
00:00:2.88]}{[%clk 00:01:24.02]} Rc5 {[%emt 00:00:3.69]}{[%clk 00:01:58.14]}
35.Rxd6 {[%emt 00:00:2.64]}{[%clk 00:01:23.38]} Bc6 {[%emt 00:00:6.48]}{[%clk
00:01:53.66]} 36.Re1 {[%emt 00:00:6.20]}{[%clk 00:01:19.18]} Kg7 {[%emt
00:00:4.05]}{[%clk 00:01:51.61]} 37.Nd4 {[%emt 00:00:8.40]}{[%clk 00:01:12.78]}
Ne5 {[%emt 00:00:2.46]}{[%clk 00:01:51.14]} 38.Re6 {[%emt 00:00:5.17]}{[%clk
00:01:9.61]} a4 {[%emt 00:00:3.00]}{[%clk 00:01:50.15]} 39.Re7 {[%emt
00:00:8.56]}{[%clk 00:01:3.05]} Bd7 {[%emt 00:00:2.84]}{[%clk 00:01:49.31]}
40.Rf1 {[%emt 00:00:1.70]}{[%clk 00:01:3.36]} g5 {[%emt 00:00:4.28]}{[%clk
00:01:47.03]} 41.Kd2 {[%emt 00:00:14.73]}{[%clk 00:00:50.62]} h4 {[%emt
00:00:2.41]}{[%clk 00:01:46.62]} 42.Rfxf7+ {[%emt 00:00:7.38]}{[%clk
00:00:45.25]} Nxf7 {[%emt 00:00:2.24]}{[%clk 00:01:46.38]} 43.Rxd7 {[%emt
00:00:1.12]}{[%clk 00:00:46.13]} Kg6 {[%emt 00:00:2.98]}{[%clk 00:01:45.40]}
44.Rxb7 {[%emt 00:00:3.09]}{[%clk 00:00:45.04]} h3 {[%emt 00:00:5.81]}{[%clk
00:01:41.59]} 45.Ne2 {[%emt 00:00:3.98]}{[%clk 00:00:43.06]} Rc6 {[%emt
00:00:2.53]}{[%clk 00:01:41.06]} 46.Ng3 {[%emt 00:00:11.25]}{[%clk 00:00:33.81]}
g4 {[%emt 00:00:2.93]}{[%clk 00:01:40.13]} 47.Ke3 {[%emt 00:00:2.00]}{[%clk
00:00:33.82]} Rf6 {[%emt 00:00:2.69]}{[%clk 00:01:39.44]} 48.Nf5 {[%emt
00:00:1.78]}{[%clk 00:00:34.04]} Kg5 {[%emt 00:00:3.78]}{[%clk 00:01:37.66]}
49.Kf2 {[%emt 00:00:2.43]}{[%clk 00:00:33.61]} Kf4 {[%emt 00:00:2.89]}{[%clk
00:01:36.77]} 50.Ng3 {[%emt 00:00:3.09]}{[%clk 00:00:32.52]} Ke5+ {[%emt
00:00:3.70]}{[%clk 00:01:35.07]} 51.Ke2 {[%emt 00:00:6.89]}{[%clk 00:00:27.63]}
Rf3 {[%emt 00:00:2.66]}{[%clk 00:01:34.41]} 52.Nf1 {[%emt 00:00:2.44]}{[%clk
00:00:27.19]} Kf6 {[%emt 00:00:4.61]}{[%clk 00:01:31.80]} 53.Rb6+ {[%emt
00:00:11.45]}{[%clk 00:00:17.74]} Kg5 {[%emt 00:00:2.29]}{[%clk 00:01:31.51]}
54.Rb5+ {[%emt 00:00:1.67]}{[%clk 00:00:18.07]} Kh4 {[%emt 00:00:2.97]}{[%clk
00:01:30.54]} 55.e5 {[%emt 00:00:2.03]}{[%clk 00:00:18.04]} Ng5 {[%emt
00:00:5.62]}{[%clk 00:01:26.92]} 56.Rb4 {[%emt 00:00:6.16]}{[%clk 00:00:13.88]}
Kh5 {[%emt 00:00:2.48]}{[%clk 00:01:26.44]} 57.Rb5 {[%emt 00:00:4.87]}{[%clk
00:00:11.01]} Ne6 {[%emt 00:00:5.79]}{[%clk 00:01:22.65]} 58.Rb8 {[%emt
00:00:1.43]}{[%clk 00:00:11.58]} Nf4+ {[%emt 00:00:3.02]}{[%clk 00:01:21.62]}
59.Ke1 {[%emt 00:00:1.34]}{[%clk 00:00:12.24]} g3 {[%emt 00:00:2.20]}{[%clk
00:01:21.42]} 60.Rh8+ {[%emt 00:00:4.99]}{[%clk 00:00:9.26]} Kg4 {[%emt
00:00:3.27]}{[%clk 00:01:20.15]} 61.Rg8+ {[%emt 00:00:2.43]}{[%clk 00:00:8.82]}
Kh4 {[%emt 00:00:2.17]}{[%clk 00:01:19.99]} 62.e6 {[%emt 00:00:4.01]}{[%clk
00:00:6.81]} Rxf1+ {[%emt 00:00:2.07]}{[%clk 00:01:19.91]} 63.Kxf1 {[%emt
00:00:1.45]}{[%clk 00:00:7.36]} h2 {[%emt 00:00:3.32]}{[%clk 00:01:18.60]}
64.Rh8+ {[%emt 00:00:1.01]}{[%clk 00:00:8.35]} Kg4 {[%emt 00:00:1.83]}{[%clk
00:01:18.76]} 65.e7 {[%emt 00:00:3.21]}{[%clk 00:00:7.15]} g2+ {[%emt
00:00:1.59]}{[%clk 00:01:19.17]} 66.Ke1 {[%emt 00:00:0.02]}{[%clk 00:00:9.12]}
h1=Q+ {[%emt 00:00:1.71]}{[%clk 00:01:19.46]} 67.Rxh1 {[%emt 00:00:2.44]}{[%clk
00:00:8.69]} gxh1=Q+ {[%emt 00:00:1.80]}{[%clk 00:01:19.65]} 68.Kd2 {[%emt
00:00:0.02]}{[%clk 00:00:10.66]} Qd5+ {[%emt 00:00:1.85]}{[%clk 00:01:19.81]}
69.Ke1 {[%emt 00:00:0.03]}{[%clk 00:00:12.64]} Kf3 {[%emt 00:00:0.95]}{[%clk
00:01:20.86]} 70.e8=Q {[%emt 00:00:0.15]}{[%clk 00:00:14.48]} Ng2+ {[%emt
00:00:0.09]}{[%clk 00:01:22.77]} 71.Kf1 {[%emt 00:00:0.02]}{[%clk 00:00:16.46]}
Qd1+ {[%emt 00:00:0.02]}{[%clk 00:01:24.75]} 72.Qe1 {[%emt 00:00:0.02]}{[%clk
00:00:18.44]} Qxe1# {[%emt 00:00:0.02]}{[%clk 00:01:26.72]}[/pgn]

The game is fascinating but not for the reasons you are stating.

I took a few hours to study this game to understand what happened.

And on move 14 maybe out of your book, but the position is know theory. And White is not winning in this positions. The computers did not leave know theory until move 24 with the move 24.Qg5??.

And it is highly unlikely Lc0 played this game of chess without some kind of major problem. Lc0 played weaker then many FM human players in this game. And played some outright blunders. And I could not replicate the major errors of Lc0 0.30.0 even at 1 second a move.

In this game Lc0 played with a error rate of .49 centipawns per move average and this is not even GM strength. No modern computer would play this badly. Where Chess System Tal had a flawless error rate of .02 centipawns per move average.

[pgn][Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Enter New Game"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Tactical Analysis 6.4"]
[PlyCount "144"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 O-O 8. Qd2 Nc6 9. Bc4 Bd7 10. O-O-O Rc8 11. Bb3 Ne5 12. h4 Nc4 13. Bxc4 Rxc4 14. h5 Nxh5 15. g4 Nf6 16. Bh6 Nxe4 17. Qe3 Rxc3 18. bxc3 Nf6 19. Bxg7 Kxg7 20. Rh2 (20. Rde1 e5 21. Nb3 Kg8 $15) (20. Qh6+ $5 Kh8 21. Ne2 $11) 20... Qa5 {B78: Sicilian Dragon: Yugoslav Attack, 9 Bc4 Bd7 10 0-0-0 Rc8.} 21. Nb3 Qa3+ 22. Kb1 {Chess con chili.} Re8 {The position is equal.} 23. Rdh1 $132 {Qh6+ would now be deadly. White is fighting back} e5 {[#]} 24. Qg5 ? $146 (24. Qh6+ $5 Kg8 25. c4 $11) ({Predecessor:} 24. c4 a5 25. c3 Kg8 26. Ka1 Bc6 27. Rh4 Rc8 28. Qd3 a4 29. Nd2 Qc5 30. Rh6 {0-1 Bhandarkar,D (1682)-Gonzaga Grego,L (1643) FICGS rapid C 000102 email FICGS email 2011 (1)}) 24... Bc6 25. Rh3 a5 {...a4 is the strong threat.} (25... h5 26. gxh5 Nh7 27. Qd2 $16) 26. Qh6+ ? Kg8 {aiming for ...a4.} 27. Qc1 $2 {-2.50/33 Loses the game.} (27. g5 $1 $15 {-0.53/38} Nd5 28. Qxh7+ Kf8 29. f4) 27... Qxc1+ $19 28. Kxc1 e4 $1 29. fxe4 {[#]} (29. Nxa5 exf3 30. Nxc6 f2) 29... Re5 (29... Bxe4 30. Rg1 $15) (29... Nxg4 30. Rxh7 Rxe4 31. Rh8+ (31. Nxa5 Ra4 $11) 31... Kg7 32. R8h7+ (32. Nxa5 Ra4 $11) 32... Kg8 33. Nxa5 $11) 30. Rg1 Rg5 (30... Bxe4 31. Re3 $11) (30... Nxe4 31. Nd2 $15) (30... Rxe4 31. g5 Nh5 32. Kd2 $11) 31. Rf3 Nxg4 (31... Nxe4 32. Nd4 $17) 32. Nd4 Be8 (32... Bxe4 33. Rf4 Bf5 34. Nxf5 gxf5 35. Rgf1 $11) 33. Rd3 h5 34. Nf3 Rc5 35. Rxd6 {[#]} Bc6 $1 36. Re1 (36. Rd8+ Kg7 37. Rc8 Rxc3 $17) 36... Kg7 (36... Rxc3 37. Nd4 $17) 37. Nd4 Ne5 (37... Rxc3 38. e5 $14) 38. Re6 a4 {Prevents Nb3.} (38... fxe6 39. Nxe6+ Kh6 40. Nxc5 $11) 39. Re7 Bd7 40. Rf1 g5 41. Kd2 h4 42. Rfxf7+ Nxf7 43. Rxd7 {Endgame. And now Ne6+ would win. KRN-KRN} Kg6 44. Rxb7 h3 45. Ne2 Rc6 46. Ng3 g4 47. Ke3 Rf6 48. Nf5 Kg5 {Threatens to win with ...Rxf5.} 49. Kf2 Kf4 50. Ng3 Ke5+ 51. Ke2 Rf3 52. Nf1 Kf6 (52... Kxe4 53. Nd2+ Kd5 54. Nxf3 $18) 53. Rb6+ Kg5 54. Rb5+ Kh4 55. e5 Ng5 (55... Rxc3 56. e6 Nd6 57. Rd5 $17) 56. Rb4 Kh5 57. Rb5 Ne6 {Hoping for ...Nf4+.} 58. Rb8 Nf4+ 59. Ke1 g3 60. Rh8+ Kg4 {( -> ...Rxf1+!)} 61. Rg8+ Kh4 {Black mates.} 62. e6 {[#]} Rxf1+ $1 {Promotion} 63. Kxf1 {KR-KN} h2 ({Stronger than} 63... Nxe6 64. Kg1 $11) 64. Rh8+ Kg4 65. e7 g2+ 66. Ke1 h1=Q+ ({Resist} 66... g1=B 67. e8=Q h1=Q 68. Rxh1) 67. Rxh1 gxh1=Q+ 68. Kd2 Qd5+ 69. Ke1 Kf3 70. e8=Q Ng2+ 71. Kf1 Qd1+ 72. Qe1 Qxe1# {Weighted Error Value: White=0.49/Black=0.02 (flawless) . Loses game: White=1 --- Inaccurate: White=1 --- OK: White=7 Black=15 Best: White=1 Black=4 Strong: White=1 Black=2} *

[/pgn]

I'm sorry but you're trying to use another engine ( presumably SF15.1 to analyze Leela which is a stronger engine. I used Leela 0.30 with the net T1, the strongest net 768x15 which is stronger than BT2 and BT3, and which data will soon be used, if it already isn't, to further make stockfish stronger. I'll reply with a screenshot of the lines Leela plays in that position. They left the provided opening book at move 14 though.

Error rate is the Error rate. And no chess engine today plays at a FM human level.

And why the losing move 24.Qg5. Leela does not want to play that move.

im so confused as to where you're getting this "FM Level" thing from. CPL means nothing if an engine blunders, and they do. SF, Dragon, and Leela have all been known to make large oversights, especially in blitz games. I could show you plenty of positions where SF and Leela just don't find the right move in a game, but that wouldn't make them weak engines.

Posts : 112 Join date : 2022-07-19

mwyoung wrote:: Here is my analysis

Enter New Game Line 0.0
4r3/pp1b1pkp/3p1np1/4p3/6P1/qNP1QP2/P1P4R/1K5R w - - 0 1

Analysis by Lc0 v0.30.0-rc1:

24.Qh6+ Kg8
White is slightly better.
+/= (0.63) Depth: 1/2 00:00:02 2Nodes

what net are you using. i'm pointing out a weakness in the current leela net. Engine version is almost irrelevant since BT1, BT2, Bt3, and T1 all use it.

Posts : 880 Join date : 2020-11-25 Location : USA

texium wrote:

mwyoung wrote:

texium wrote:

mwyoung wrote:

texium wrote:: Fascinating game where CSTal crushes leela in a sicilian with the black pieces when white leaves book winning. Sacrifices expected. First move out of book is move 14
[pgn]
[Event "CSTal vs Leela T1"]
[Site "Lucas Chess R 2.08a"]
[Date "2023.07.01"]
[White "Lc0 v0.30.0"]
[Black "CSTal-NN-Strong"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "3700"]
[BlackElo "3700"]
[ECO "B78"]
[TimeControl "180+2"]
[PlyCount "144"]
[Opening "Sicilian Defence: Dragon Variation, Yugoslav Attack, Old Line"]
[Termination "Mate"]

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 O-O 8.Qd2 Nc6
9.Bc4 Bd7 10.O-O-O Rc8 11.Bb3 Ne5 12.h4 Nc4 13.Bxc4 Rxc4 14.h5 {[%emt
00:00:23.61]}{[%clk 00:02:38.39]} Nxh5 {[%emt 00:00:7.37]}{[%clk 00:02:54.63]}
15.g4 {[%emt 00:00:2.00]}{[%clk 00:02:38.39]} Nf6 {[%emt 00:00:4.93]}{[%clk
00:02:51.69]} 16.Bh6 {[%emt 00:00:5.61]}{[%clk 00:02:34.78]} Nxe4 {[%emt
00:00:9.11]}{[%clk 00:02:44.59]} 17.Qe3 {[%emt 00:00:7.00]}{[%clk 00:02:29.78]}
Rxc3 {[%emt 00:00:3.97]}{[%clk 00:02:42.61]} 18.bxc3 {[%emt 00:00:3.75]}{[%clk
00:02:28.03]} Nf6 {[%emt 00:00:6.55]}{[%clk 00:02:38.06]} 19.Bxg7 {[%emt
00:00:3.49]}{[%clk 00:02:26.54]} Kxg7 {[%emt 00:00:7.53]}{[%clk 00:02:32.53]}
20.Rh2 {[%emt 00:00:13.50]}{[%clk 00:02:15.03]} Qa5 {[%emt 00:00:8.15]}{[%clk
00:02:26.38]} 21.Nb3 {[%emt 00:00:5.07]}{[%clk 00:02:11.96]} Qa3+ {[%emt
00:00:4.47]}{[%clk 00:02:23.91]} 22.Kb1 {[%emt 00:00:6.05]}{[%clk 00:02:7.91]}
Re8 {[%emt 00:00:5.23]}{[%clk 00:02:20.68]} 23.Rdh1 {[%emt 00:00:11.55]}{[%clk
00:01:58.37]} e5 {[%emt 00:00:3.59]}{[%clk 00:02:19.09]} 24.Qg5 {[%emt
00:00:4.08]}{[%clk 00:01:56.29]} Bc6 {[%emt 00:00:4.43]}{[%clk 00:02:16.66]}
25.Rh3 {[%emt 00:00:8.57]}{[%clk 00:01:49.72]} a5 {[%emt 00:00:3.52]}{[%clk
00:02:15.13]} 26.Qh6+ {[%emt 00:00:4.82]}{[%clk 00:01:46.89]} Kg8 {[%emt
00:00:5.03]}{[%clk 00:02:12.11]} 27.Qc1 {[%emt 00:00:2.87]}{[%clk 00:01:46.03]}
Qxc1+ {[%emt 00:00:3.39]}{[%clk 00:02:10.72]} 28.Kxc1 {[%emt 00:00:2.54]}{[%clk
00:01:45.48]} e4 {[%emt 00:00:3.56]}{[%clk 00:02:9.16]} 29.fxe4 {[%emt
00:00:10.95]}{[%clk 00:01:36.54]} Re5 {[%emt 00:00:3.35]}{[%clk 00:02:7.82]}
30.Rg1 {[%emt 00:00:3.20]}{[%clk 00:01:35.34]} Rg5 {[%emt 00:00:4.22]}{[%clk
00:02:5.60]} 31.Rf3 {[%emt 00:00:5.55]}{[%clk 00:01:31.79]} Nxg4 {[%emt
00:00:3.36]}{[%clk 00:02:4.24]} 32.Nd4 {[%emt 00:00:4.19]}{[%clk 00:01:29.60]}
Be8 {[%emt 00:00:5.83]}{[%clk 00:02:0.40]} 33.Rd3 {[%emt 00:00:6.70]}{[%clk
00:01:24.90]} h5 {[%emt 00:00:2.58]}{[%clk 00:01:59.83]} 34.Nf3 {[%emt
00:00:2.88]}{[%clk 00:01:24.02]} Rc5 {[%emt 00:00:3.69]}{[%clk 00:01:58.14]}
35.Rxd6 {[%emt 00:00:2.64]}{[%clk 00:01:23.38]} Bc6 {[%emt 00:00:6.48]}{[%clk
00:01:53.66]} 36.Re1 {[%emt 00:00:6.20]}{[%clk 00:01:19.18]} Kg7 {[%emt
00:00:4.05]}{[%clk 00:01:51.61]} 37.Nd4 {[%emt 00:00:8.40]}{[%clk 00:01:12.78]}
Ne5 {[%emt 00:00:2.46]}{[%clk 00:01:51.14]} 38.Re6 {[%emt 00:00:5.17]}{[%clk
00:01:9.61]} a4 {[%emt 00:00:3.00]}{[%clk 00:01:50.15]} 39.Re7 {[%emt
00:00:8.56]}{[%clk 00:01:3.05]} Bd7 {[%emt 00:00:2.84]}{[%clk 00:01:49.31]}
40.Rf1 {[%emt 00:00:1.70]}{[%clk 00:01:3.36]} g5 {[%emt 00:00:4.28]}{[%clk
00:01:47.03]} 41.Kd2 {[%emt 00:00:14.73]}{[%clk 00:00:50.62]} h4 {[%emt
00:00:2.41]}{[%clk 00:01:46.62]} 42.Rfxf7+ {[%emt 00:00:7.38]}{[%clk
00:00:45.25]} Nxf7 {[%emt 00:00:2.24]}{[%clk 00:01:46.38]} 43.Rxd7 {[%emt
00:00:1.12]}{[%clk 00:00:46.13]} Kg6 {[%emt 00:00:2.98]}{[%clk 00:01:45.40]}
44.Rxb7 {[%emt 00:00:3.09]}{[%clk 00:00:45.04]} h3 {[%emt 00:00:5.81]}{[%clk
00:01:41.59]} 45.Ne2 {[%emt 00:00:3.98]}{[%clk 00:00:43.06]} Rc6 {[%emt
00:00:2.53]}{[%clk 00:01:41.06]} 46.Ng3 {[%emt 00:00:11.25]}{[%clk 00:00:33.81]}
g4 {[%emt 00:00:2.93]}{[%clk 00:01:40.13]} 47.Ke3 {[%emt 00:00:2.00]}{[%clk
00:00:33.82]} Rf6 {[%emt 00:00:2.69]}{[%clk 00:01:39.44]} 48.Nf5 {[%emt
00:00:1.78]}{[%clk 00:00:34.04]} Kg5 {[%emt 00:00:3.78]}{[%clk 00:01:37.66]}
49.Kf2 {[%emt 00:00:2.43]}{[%clk 00:00:33.61]} Kf4 {[%emt 00:00:2.89]}{[%clk
00:01:36.77]} 50.Ng3 {[%emt 00:00:3.09]}{[%clk 00:00:32.52]} Ke5+ {[%emt
00:00:3.70]}{[%clk 00:01:35.07]} 51.Ke2 {[%emt 00:00:6.89]}{[%clk 00:00:27.63]}
Rf3 {[%emt 00:00:2.66]}{[%clk 00:01:34.41]} 52.Nf1 {[%emt 00:00:2.44]}{[%clk
00:00:27.19]} Kf6 {[%emt 00:00:4.61]}{[%clk 00:01:31.80]} 53.Rb6+ {[%emt
00:00:11.45]}{[%clk 00:00:17.74]} Kg5 {[%emt 00:00:2.29]}{[%clk 00:01:31.51]}
54.Rb5+ {[%emt 00:00:1.67]}{[%clk 00:00:18.07]} Kh4 {[%emt 00:00:2.97]}{[%clk
00:01:30.54]} 55.e5 {[%emt 00:00:2.03]}{[%clk 00:00:18.04]} Ng5 {[%emt
00:00:5.62]}{[%clk 00:01:26.92]} 56.Rb4 {[%emt 00:00:6.16]}{[%clk 00:00:13.88]}
Kh5 {[%emt 00:00:2.48]}{[%clk 00:01:26.44]} 57.Rb5 {[%emt 00:00:4.87]}{[%clk
00:00:11.01]} Ne6 {[%emt 00:00:5.79]}{[%clk 00:01:22.65]} 58.Rb8 {[%emt
00:00:1.43]}{[%clk 00:00:11.58]} Nf4+ {[%emt 00:00:3.02]}{[%clk 00:01:21.62]}
59.Ke1 {[%emt 00:00:1.34]}{[%clk 00:00:12.24]} g3 {[%emt 00:00:2.20]}{[%clk
00:01:21.42]} 60.Rh8+ {[%emt 00:00:4.99]}{[%clk 00:00:9.26]} Kg4 {[%emt
00:00:3.27]}{[%clk 00:01:20.15]} 61.Rg8+ {[%emt 00:00:2.43]}{[%clk 00:00:8.82]}
Kh4 {[%emt 00:00:2.17]}{[%clk 00:01:19.99]} 62.e6 {[%emt 00:00:4.01]}{[%clk
00:00:6.81]} Rxf1+ {[%emt 00:00:2.07]}{[%clk 00:01:19.91]} 63.Kxf1 {[%emt
00:00:1.45]}{[%clk 00:00:7.36]} h2 {[%emt 00:00:3.32]}{[%clk 00:01:18.60]}
64.Rh8+ {[%emt 00:00:1.01]}{[%clk 00:00:8.35]} Kg4 {[%emt 00:00:1.83]}{[%clk
00:01:18.76]} 65.e7 {[%emt 00:00:3.21]}{[%clk 00:00:7.15]} g2+ {[%emt
00:00:1.59]}{[%clk 00:01:19.17]} 66.Ke1 {[%emt 00:00:0.02]}{[%clk 00:00:9.12]}
h1=Q+ {[%emt 00:00:1.71]}{[%clk 00:01:19.46]} 67.Rxh1 {[%emt 00:00:2.44]}{[%clk
00:00:8.69]} gxh1=Q+ {[%emt 00:00:1.80]}{[%clk 00:01:19.65]} 68.Kd2 {[%emt
00:00:0.02]}{[%clk 00:00:10.66]} Qd5+ {[%emt 00:00:1.85]}{[%clk 00:01:19.81]}
69.Ke1 {[%emt 00:00:0.03]}{[%clk 00:00:12.64]} Kf3 {[%emt 00:00:0.95]}{[%clk
00:01:20.86]} 70.e8=Q {[%emt 00:00:0.15]}{[%clk 00:00:14.48]} Ng2+ {[%emt
00:00:0.09]}{[%clk 00:01:22.77]} 71.Kf1 {[%emt 00:00:0.02]}{[%clk 00:00:16.46]}
Qd1+ {[%emt 00:00:0.02]}{[%clk 00:01:24.75]} 72.Qe1 {[%emt 00:00:0.02]}{[%clk
00:00:18.44]} Qxe1# {[%emt 00:00:0.02]}{[%clk 00:01:26.72]}[/pgn]

The game is fascinating but not for the reasons you are stating.

I took a few hours to study this game to understand what happened.

And on move 14 maybe out of your book, but the position is know theory. And White is not winning in this positions. The computers did not leave know theory until move 24 with the move 24.Qg5??.

And it is highly unlikely Lc0 played this game of chess without some kind of major problem. Lc0 played weaker then many FM human players in this game. And played some outright blunders. And I could not replicate the major errors of Lc0 0.30.0 even at 1 second a move.

In this game Lc0 played with a error rate of .49 centipawns per move average and this is not even GM strength. No modern computer would play this badly. Where Chess System Tal had a flawless error rate of .02 centipawns per move average.

[pgn][Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Enter New Game"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Tactical Analysis 6.4"]
[PlyCount "144"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 O-O 8. Qd2 Nc6 9. Bc4 Bd7 10. O-O-O Rc8 11. Bb3 Ne5 12. h4 Nc4 13. Bxc4 Rxc4 14. h5 Nxh5 15. g4 Nf6 16. Bh6 Nxe4 17. Qe3 Rxc3 18. bxc3 Nf6 19. Bxg7 Kxg7 20. Rh2 (20. Rde1 e5 21. Nb3 Kg8 $15) (20. Qh6+ $5 Kh8 21. Ne2 $11) 20... Qa5 {B78: Sicilian Dragon: Yugoslav Attack, 9 Bc4 Bd7 10 0-0-0 Rc8.} 21. Nb3 Qa3+ 22. Kb1 {Chess con chili.} Re8 {The position is equal.} 23. Rdh1 $132 {Qh6+ would now be deadly. White is fighting back} e5 {[#]} 24. Qg5 ? $146 (24. Qh6+ $5 Kg8 25. c4 $11) ({Predecessor:} 24. c4 a5 25. c3 Kg8 26. Ka1 Bc6 27. Rh4 Rc8 28. Qd3 a4 29. Nd2 Qc5 30. Rh6 {0-1 Bhandarkar,D (1682)-Gonzaga Grego,L (1643) FICGS rapid C 000102 email FICGS email 2011 (1)}) 24... Bc6 25. Rh3 a5 {...a4 is the strong threat.} (25... h5 26. gxh5 Nh7 27. Qd2 $16) 26. Qh6+ ? Kg8 {aiming for ...a4.} 27. Qc1 $2 {-2.50/33 Loses the game.} (27. g5 $1 $15 {-0.53/38} Nd5 28. Qxh7+ Kf8 29. f4) 27... Qxc1+ $19 28. Kxc1 e4 $1 29. fxe4 {[#]} (29. Nxa5 exf3 30. Nxc6 f2) 29... Re5 (29... Bxe4 30. Rg1 $15) (29... Nxg4 30. Rxh7 Rxe4 31. Rh8+ (31. Nxa5 Ra4 $11) 31... Kg7 32. R8h7+ (32. Nxa5 Ra4 $11) 32... Kg8 33. Nxa5 $11) 30. Rg1 Rg5 (30... Bxe4 31. Re3 $11) (30... Nxe4 31. Nd2 $15) (30... Rxe4 31. g5 Nh5 32. Kd2 $11) 31. Rf3 Nxg4 (31... Nxe4 32. Nd4 $17) 32. Nd4 Be8 (32... Bxe4 33. Rf4 Bf5 34. Nxf5 gxf5 35. Rgf1 $11) 33. Rd3 h5 34. Nf3 Rc5 35. Rxd6 {[#]} Bc6 $1 36. Re1 (36. Rd8+ Kg7 37. Rc8 Rxc3 $17) 36... Kg7 (36... Rxc3 37. Nd4 $17) 37. Nd4 Ne5 (37... Rxc3 38. e5 $14) 38. Re6 a4 {Prevents Nb3.} (38... fxe6 39. Nxe6+ Kh6 40. Nxc5 $11) 39. Re7 Bd7 40. Rf1 g5 41. Kd2 h4 42. Rfxf7+ Nxf7 43. Rxd7 {Endgame. And now Ne6+ would win. KRN-KRN} Kg6 44. Rxb7 h3 45. Ne2 Rc6 46. Ng3 g4 47. Ke3 Rf6 48. Nf5 Kg5 {Threatens to win with ...Rxf5.} 49. Kf2 Kf4 50. Ng3 Ke5+ 51. Ke2 Rf3 52. Nf1 Kf6 (52... Kxe4 53. Nd2+ Kd5 54. Nxf3 $18) 53. Rb6+ Kg5 54. Rb5+ Kh4 55. e5 Ng5 (55... Rxc3 56. e6 Nd6 57. Rd5 $17) 56. Rb4 Kh5 57. Rb5 Ne6 {Hoping for ...Nf4+.} 58. Rb8 Nf4+ 59. Ke1 g3 60. Rh8+ Kg4 {( -> ...Rxf1+!)} 61. Rg8+ Kh4 {Black mates.} 62. e6 {[#]} Rxf1+ $1 {Promotion} 63. Kxf1 {KR-KN} h2 ({Stronger than} 63... Nxe6 64. Kg1 $11) 64. Rh8+ Kg4 65. e7 g2+ 66. Ke1 h1=Q+ ({Resist} 66... g1=B 67. e8=Q h1=Q 68. Rxh1) 67. Rxh1 gxh1=Q+ 68. Kd2 Qd5+ 69. Ke1 Kf3 70. e8=Q Ng2+ 71. Kf1 Qd1+ 72. Qe1 Qxe1# {Weighted Error Value: White=0.49/Black=0.02 (flawless) . Loses game: White=1 --- Inaccurate: White=1 --- OK: White=7 Black=15 Best: White=1 Black=4 Strong: White=1 Black=2} *

[/pgn]

I'm sorry but you're trying to use another engine ( presumably SF15.1 to analyze Leela which is a stronger engine. I used Leela 0.30 with the net T1, the strongest net 768x15 which is stronger than BT2 and BT3, and which data will soon be used, if it already isn't, to further make stockfish stronger. I'll reply with a screenshot of the lines Leela plays in that position. They left the provided opening book at move 14 though.

Error rate is the Error rate. And no chess engine today plays at a FM human level.

And why the losing move 24.Qg5. Leela does not want to play that move.

im so confused as to where you're getting this "FM Level" thing from. CPL means nothing if an engine blunders, and they do. SF, Dragon, and Leela have all been known to make large oversights, especially in blitz games. I could show you plenty of positions where SF and Leela just don't find the right move in a game, but that wouldn't make them weak engines.

Don't be confused. The question is why did Lc0 play the out right blunder. 24.Qg4??

And others in the game causing the bad error rating in the game.

Something is wrong with Lc0 as I have shown. Lc0 never plays the losing 24.Qg4??

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the funny thing is that by 1min leela has figured both Qh6 and Qg5 are both bad. But in blitz tc it thinks Qg5 is best.

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second pic at 15sec

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mwyoung. What leela net are you using, thats very important.

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what does your leela evaluate here
: N2k1bnr/pp3ppp/8/4n3/4Ppbq/5N2/PPPPK1PP/R1BQ1B1R w - - 1 9

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texium wrote:: mwyoung. What leela net are you using, thats very important.

I guess your network is broken.

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mwyoung wrote:

texium wrote:: mwyoung. What leela net are you using, thats very important.

I guess your network is broken.

lol broken, i'm using that first net

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texium wrote:

mwyoung wrote:

texium wrote:: mwyoung. What leela net are you using, thats very important.

I guess your network is broken.

lol broken, i'm using that first net

LOL I am using the 2nd one.

2nd one tested better for testing

""In use cases with very low calculation time per move or slow hardware, a smaller network might be a better choice.""

Error rate calculation is amazing.

Subject: Re: Chess System Tal 2 released Sun Jul 02, 2023 9:21 pm

Quote :: weird result, not only does dragon usually beat weaker engines, it also majorly underperformed here. Same with SF15.1 being below ethereal.

Which are the parameters you test ?

Time control
Permanent brain
Cores
Hardware ?!

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mwyoung wrote:

texium wrote:

mwyoung wrote:

texium wrote:: mwyoung. What leela net are you using, thats very important.

I guess your network is broken.

lol broken, i'm using that first net

LOL I am using the 2nd one.

2nd one tested better for testing

""In use cases with very low calculation time per move or slow hardware, a smaller network might be a better choice.""

Error rate calculation is amazing.

what's your gpu

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Mclane wrote:

Quote :: weird result, not only does dragon usually beat weaker engines, it also majorly underperformed here. Same with SF15.1 being below ethereal.

Which are the parameters you test ?

Time control
Permanent brain
Cores
Hardware ?!

just realized you used ponder on for your tests. i don't use that since leela can't. it has it in uci options but its fake, as noted on leela github
i usually test 2|1, or 3|2. No ponder, 1T, i5-7500, GTX 1660 SUPER. i'm not a "tester" per se, but i have decent hardware and run personal tests.
from a 2|1 small test, reb 16.2 got a win just because of an extremely imbalanced opening (using tcec 23 book)

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texium wrote:

mwyoung wrote:

texium wrote:

mwyoung wrote:

texium wrote:: mwyoung. What leela net are you using, thats very important.

I guess your network is broken.

lol broken, i'm using that first net

LOL I am using the 2nd one.

2nd one tested better for testing

""In use cases with very low calculation time per move or slow hardware, a smaller network might be a better choice.""

Error rate calculation is amazing.

what's your gpu

My hardware is stated, RTX 2080 TI, RTX 3070, AMD Threadripper 2950x, AMD 5900HX.

Your GTX GPU is the issue with Lc0 that I detected. You are using a huge net, and your GPU has no Tensor cores to run Lc0 at a fast speed.

Subject: Re: Chess System Tal 2 released Sun Jul 02, 2023 11:28 pm

texium wrote:

Mclane wrote:

Quote :: weird result, not only does dragon usually beat weaker engines, it also majorly underperformed here. Same with SF15.1 being below ethereal.

Which are the parameters you test ?

Time control
Permanent brain
Cores
Hardware ?!

just realized you used ponder on for your tests. i don't use that since leela can't. it has it in uci options but its fake, as noted on leela github
i usually test 2|1, or 3|2. No ponder, 1T, i5-7500, GTX 1660 SUPER. i'm not a "tester" per se, but i have decent hardware and run personal tests.
from a 2|1 small test, reb 16.2 got a win just because of an extremely imbalanced opening (using tcec 23 book)

Ok but your hardware and testing conditions are far away from mine. My time control is LONGER. My hardware is FASTER. I use PONDER. My graphical cards are faster. If you sum up all this this is a quality issue in testing.
I am sure others are better then me because i do not use super Hardware.

My point is that when you criticise things, you have to take care about hardware and parameters.

Subject: Re: Chess System Tal 2 released Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:31 pm

and with stockfish 16:

Code:: Motor Punkte Sh St Dr Lc CS Re Et St Cr CS Dr De Ko Wa Ch Bo S-B
01: ShashChess31-x86-64-avx2 [t8, Petrosian] 19,0/30 ·· == 0= == == == == == 11 1= 1= =1 == 11 1= 1= 268,25
02: Stockfish16 [t8] 19,0/30 == ·· == == =1 == == =0 == =1 == 1= == 11 11 11 264,00
03: Dragon-3.1-64bit-avx2 [t8] 18,5/30 1= == ·· == == =0 11 == == 1= == =1 1= =1 0= 11 267,50
04: Lc0 0.29.0 Nvidia RTX 3060 [j92-100] 18,0/30 == == == ·· == == == == == 1= 1= == =1 == =1 11 255,75
05: CSTal2-v21-E1162-130-EASavx2 [t8*] 17,5/30 == =0 == == ·· 1= == == == == == 1= =1 1= 1= =1 248,00
06: Rebel-16.2 [t8] 17,0/30 == == =1 == 0= ·· == 1= 1= == 0= == 1= =1 =1 == 248,00
07: Ethereal-14.00-pext-avx2 [t8] 16,5/30 == == 00 == == == ·· 1= 0= == == 1= == == 11 11 228,25
08: Stockfish15.1_avx2 [t8] 15,5/30 == =1 == == == 0= 0= ·· == == == =1 11 == 00 1= 230,25
09: Crystal_x64_060622_Tactical_E_AVX [t8] 15,5/30 00 == == == == 0= 1= == ·· == == == == 10 11 1= 218,50
10: CSTal2-v21-E1019-Elo.avx2 [t8*] 15,5/30 0= =0 0= 0= == == == == == ·· == == =1 =1 =1 11 211,25
11: Dragon-3.1-64bit-avx2 [t8, mcts] 15,0/30 0= == == 0= == 1= == == == == ·· =0 == 1= 1= == 219,00
12: DeepHiarcs15 [t8] 12,5/30 =0 0= =0 == 0= == 0= =0 == == =1 ·· == == == == 182,00
13: Komodo-14.1-64bit [t8, mcts] 12,5/30 == == 0= =0 =0 0= == 00 == =0 == == ·· 1= == =1 178,00
14: Wasp600-windows-avx [t8] 11,0/30 00 00 =0 == 0= =0 == == 01 =0 0= == 0= ·· 11 == 152,50
15: Chiron-5-64bit [t8] 9,5/30 0= 00 1= =0 0= =0 00 11 00 =0 0= == == 00 ·· 01 142,25
16: Booot6.5 [t8] 7,5/30 0= 00 00 00 =0 == 00 0= 0= 00 == == =0 == 10 ·· 105,00

240 Partien gespielt / Turnier beendet
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Spielstufe: Turnier 40/10
Hardware: AMD Ryzen 9 3950X mit Nvidia Geforce RTX 3060 mit 12 GB Speicher

Subject: Re: Chess System Tal 2 released Mon Jul 03, 2023 11:13 pm

now with stockfish16:

Code:: Motor Punkte Et CS CS St Dr St Re Dr Be Lc Wa De Bo Pe Ko Ko Ch Eq De De CS Co S-B
01: Ethereal-14.00-pext-avx2 [t4] 63,0/84 ···· ==== ==== ==11 01== 1==1 ==== ==== ==== =1== 111= =1== =1== 1111 1111 1111 1110 0111 1111 1111 1111 1111 2345,5
02: CSTal2-v21-E1019-Elo-avx2 [t4] 62,5/84 ==== ···· ==== =1=0 01== 10=1 ==== ==== ===1 ==1= 111= 1111 101= 1111 111= 1=== =111 1111 11=1 1111 1111 1111 2304,7
03: CSTal2-v21-E1162-130-EAS-avx2 [t4] 62,0/84 ==== ==== ···· =10= ==== 0=== =1== 11== 1=0= ===1 11== 111= 1111 1==1 =111 1=1= ==11 1=11 1111 1111 1111 1111 2285,2
04: Stockfish16 [t4] 59,5/84 ==00 =0=1 =01= ···· 1==1 0==1 ==11 ==10 101= 0=== 01=1 11=1 =1=1 1110 111= 1101 1011 1110 1111 1111 1111 1111 2190,0
05: Dragon-3.1-64bit-avx2 [t4] 59,5/84 10== 10== ==== 0==0 ···· ==11 ==== ==0= ==01 1=11 1=10 ==11 1=== 1101 1==1 11== 1111 =111 1111 1111 1111 1111 2167,0
06: Stockfish15.1-avx2 [t4] 59,0/84 0==0 01=0 1=== 1==0 ==00 ···· 1==1 11== ==0= 101= 1110 1111 1101 1=11 101= 1100 1101 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 2139,7
07: Rebel-16.2 [t4] 57,5/84 ==== ==== =0== ==00 ==== 0==0 ···· 0=01 ===1 ==== 1==1 1==1 1=== 1==1 1=11 1=1= 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 2020,2
08: Dragon-3.1-64bit-avx2 [t4, mcts] 56,5/84 ==== ==== 00== ==01 ==1= 00== 1=10 ···· ==== =100 1111 =011 11=1 ===1 ===1 11== 11=1 =111 1==1 1111 1111 1111 2040,5
09: Berserk-11-x64-avx2-pext [t4] 55,5/84 ==== ===0 0=1= 010= ==10 ==1= ===0 ==== ···· ==== 1=== =0== 1=== 1=1= =1=1 1=1= 1111 1111 1=11 11=1 1111 1111 1994,5
10: Lc0 0.29.0 rc1 radeon gpu dx12 [753723] 54,0/84 =0== ==0= ===0 1=== 0=00 010= ==== =011 ==== ···· =11= ==11 10=1 1=== 110= 111= 1=11 =111 1=1= 1=11 1111 1111 1926,5
11: Wasp600-win-avx [t4] 42,5/84 000= 000= 00== 10=0 0=01 0001 0==0 0000 0=== =00= ···· =0=0 ==== =0== ==== 11=1 111= 11=1 1111 1111 1111 1111 1310,2
12: DeepHiarcs15.0 [t4] 40,5/84 =0== 0000 000= 00=0 ==00 0000 0==0 =100 =1== ==00 =1=1 ···· ===1 =1== 011= ===1 =1=0 111= ==== =111 =1=1 1111 1331,2
13: Booot7 [t4] 40,0/84 =0== 010= 0000 =0=0 0=== 0010 0=== 00=0 0=== 01=0 ==== ===0 ···· =1=1 00== =1== 1=00 1=11 ===1 =111 1111 1=11 1344,2
14: Pedone3.1_avx2 [t4] 39,0/84 0000 0000 0==0 0001 0010 0=00 0==0 ===0 0=0= 0=== =1== =0== =0=0 ···· ==== =111 1=1= 111= =1== 1=11 11=1 1111 1210,2
15: Komodo-14.1-64bit [t4, mcts] 38,5/84 0000 000= =000 000= 0==0 010= 0=00 ===0 =0=0 001= ==== 100= 11== ==== ···· =11= 11== 1==1 11== 0111 101= 1111 1234,2
16: Komodo-14.1-64bit [t4] 31,5/84 0000 0=== 0=0= 0010 00== 0011 0=0= 00== 0=0= 000= 00=0 ===0 =0== =000 =00= ···· 1001 10=0 1110 1101 0111 1111 1040,7
17: Chiron-5-64bit [t4] 28,0/84 0001 =000 ==00 0100 0000 0010 0000 00=0 0000 0=00 000= =0=1 0=11 0=0= 00== 0110 ···· =01= 1==0 1==1 ==1= 1111 851,25
18: Equinox 3.30-x64 [t4] 22,0/84 1000 0000 0=00 0001 =000 0000 0000 =000 0000 =000 00=0 000= 0=00 000= 0==0 01=1 =10= ···· 01=0 10== 1=1= 1111 608,00
19: DeepShredder13UCIx64 [t4, buffer6] 21,5/84 0000 00=0 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0==0 0=00 0=0= 0000 ==== ===0 =0== 00== 0001 0==1 10=1 ···· =0=0 1==1 1101 614,50
20: Deep Rybka 4.1 x64 [t4] 15,0/84 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 00=0 0=00 0000 =000 =000 0=00 1000 0010 0==0 01== =1=1 ···· =001 0111 351,00
21: CSTal3 5' 13,0/84 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 =0=0 0000 00=0 010= 1000 ==0= 0=0= 0==0 =110 ···· 0111 282,75
22: Colossus2022a [t4] 3,5/84 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0=00 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0010 1000 1000 ···· 69,50

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Spielstufe: Turnier 40/5
Hardware: AMD Ryzen 7 5700U with Radeon Graphics mit 4.096 MB Speicher

Subject: Re: Chess System Tal 2 released Mon Jul 03, 2023 11:34 pm

Mclane wrote:

now with stockfish16:

Code:: Motor Punkte Et CS CS St Dr St Re Dr Be Lc Wa De Bo Pe Ko Ko Ch Eq De De CS Co S-B
01: Ethereal-14.00-pext-avx2 [t4] 63,0/84 ···· ==== ==== ==11 01== 1==1 ==== ==== ==== =1== 111= =1== =1== 1111 1111 1111 1110 0111 1111 1111 1111 1111 2345,5
02: CSTal2-v21-E1019-Elo-avx2 [t4] 62,5/84 ==== ···· ==== =1=0 01== 10=1 ==== ==== ===1 ==1= 111= 1111 101= 1111 111= 1=== =111 1111 11=1 1111 1111 1111 2304,7
03: CSTal2-v21-E1162-130-EAS-avx2 [t4] 62,0/84 ==== ==== ···· =10= ==== 0=== =1== 11== 1=0= ===1 11== 111= 1111 1==1 =111 1=1= ==11 1=11 1111 1111 1111 1111 2285,2
04: Stockfish16 [t4] 59,5/84 ==00 =0=1 =01= ···· 1==1 0==1 ==11 ==10 101= 0=== 01=1 11=1 =1=1 1110 111= 1101 1011 1110 1111 1111 1111 1111 2190,0
05: Dragon-3.1-64bit-avx2 [t4] 59,5/84 10== 10== ==== 0==0 ···· ==11 ==== ==0= ==01 1=11 1=10 ==11 1=== 1101 1==1 11== 1111 =111 1111 1111 1111 1111 2167,0
06: Stockfish15.1-avx2 [t4] 59,0/84 0==0 01=0 1=== 1==0 ==00 ···· 1==1 11== ==0= 101= 1110 1111 1101 1=11 101= 1100 1101 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 2139,7
07: Rebel-16.2 [t4] 57,5/84 ==== ==== =0== ==00 ==== 0==0 ···· 0=01 ===1 ==== 1==1 1==1 1=== 1==1 1=11 1=1= 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 2020,2
08: Dragon-3.1-64bit-avx2 [t4, mcts] 56,5/84 ==== ==== 00== ==01 ==1= 00== 1=10 ···· ==== =100 1111 =011 11=1 ===1 ===1 11== 11=1 =111 1==1 1111 1111 1111 2040,5
09: Berserk-11-x64-avx2-pext [t4] 55,5/84 ==== ===0 0=1= 010= ==10 ==1= ===0 ==== ···· ==== 1=== =0== 1=== 1=1= =1=1 1=1= 1111 1111 1=11 11=1 1111 1111 1994,5
10: Lc0 0.29.0 rc1 radeon gpu dx12 [753723] 54,0/84 =0== ==0= ===0 1=== 0=00 010= ==== =011 ==== ···· =11= ==11 10=1 1=== 110= 111= 1=11 =111 1=1= 1=11 1111 1111 1926,5
11: Wasp600-win-avx [t4] 42,5/84 000= 000= 00== 10=0 0=01 0001 0==0 0000 0=== =00= ···· =0=0 ==== =0== ==== 11=1 111= 11=1 1111 1111 1111 1111 1310,2
12: DeepHiarcs15.0 [t4] 40,5/84 =0== 0000 000= 00=0 ==00 0000 0==0 =100 =1== ==00 =1=1 ···· ===1 =1== 011= ===1 =1=0 111= ==== =111 =1=1 1111 1331,2
13: Booot7 [t4] 40,0/84 =0== 010= 0000 =0=0 0=== 0010 0=== 00=0 0=== 01=0 ==== ===0 ···· =1=1 00== =1== 1=00 1=11 ===1 =111 1111 1=11 1344,2
14: Pedone3.1_avx2 [t4] 39,0/84 0000 0000 0==0 0001 0010 0=00 0==0 ===0 0=0= 0=== =1== =0== =0=0 ···· ==== =111 1=1= 111= =1== 1=11 11=1 1111 1210,2
15: Komodo-14.1-64bit [t4, mcts] 38,5/84 0000 000= =000 000= 0==0 010= 0=00 ===0 =0=0 001= ==== 100= 11== ==== ···· =11= 11== 1==1 11== 0111 101= 1111 1234,2
16: Komodo-14.1-64bit [t4] 31,5/84 0000 0=== 0=0= 0010 00== 0011 0=0= 00== 0=0= 000= 00=0 ===0 =0== =000 =00= ···· 1001 10=0 1110 1101 0111 1111 1040,7
17: Chiron-5-64bit [t4] 28,0/84 0001 =000 ==00 0100 0000 0010 0000 00=0 0000 0=00 000= =0=1 0=11 0=0= 00== 0110 ···· =01= 1==0 1==1 ==1= 1111 851,25
18: Equinox 3.30-x64 [t4] 22,0/84 1000 0000 0=00 0001 =000 0000 0000 =000 0000 =000 00=0 000= 0=00 000= 0==0 01=1 =10= ···· 01=0 10== 1=1= 1111 608,00
19: DeepShredder13UCIx64 [t4, buffer6] 21,5/84 0000 00=0 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0==0 0=00 0=0= 0000 ==== ===0 =0== 00== 0001 0==1 10=1 ···· =0=0 1==1 1101 614,50
20: Deep Rybka 4.1 x64 [t4] 15,0/84 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 00=0 0=00 0000 =000 =000 0=00 1000 0010 0==0 01== =1=1 ···· =001 0111 351,00
21: CSTal3 5' 13,0/84 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 =0=0 0000 00=0 010= 1000 ==0= 0=0= 0==0 =110 ···· 0111 282,75
22: Colossus2022a [t4] 3,5/84 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0=00 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0010 1000 1000 ···· 69,50

924 Partien gespielt / Turnier beendet
Name des Turniers: Ryzen7 5700
Ort/ Land: LAPTOP-JTQQP8M7, Deutschland
Spielstufe: Turnier 40/5
Hardware: AMD Ryzen 7 5700U with Radeon Graphics mit 4.096 MB Speicher

How many forfeits this time?

Subject: Re: Chess System Tal 2 released Mon Jul 03, 2023 11:52 pm

As usual with Stockfish.

But:

[Event "Ryzen7 5700"]
[Site "LAPTOP-JTQQP8M7"]
[Date "2023.07.02"]
[Round "4"]
[White "CSTal2-v21-E1019-Elo-avx2 [t4]"]
[Black "Stockfish16"]
[WhiteElo "2200"]
[BlackElo "2200"]
[ECO "A53"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. Nge2 Nf6 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nxd4 e5
6. Ndb5 {(6.Sdb5 d6 7.Lg5 a6 8.Sa3 b5 9.Sd5 Le7 10.Lxf6
Lxf6 11.c3 0-0 12.Sc2 Lg5 13.a4 bxa4 14.Txa4 Kh8 15.Lc4 Sa5
16.La2 f5 17.exf5 Lxf5 18.0-0 Ld7 19.Ta3 Sc6 20.b4 a5 21.b5
Se7 22.c4 Sxd5 23.Dxd5 Dc7 24.Se3) +0.84/29 9} d6 7. Nd5
{(7.Sd5 Sxd5 8.exd5 Sb8 9.c4 Le7 10.c5 0-0 11.Le3 Sa6
12.cxd6 Lxd6 13.Tc1 Lb4+ 14.Sc3 Sc5 15.Le2 Se4 16.Db3 Sxc3
17.bxc3 Ld6 18.c4 b6 19.0-0 Dc7 20.c5 bxc5) +0.45/23 1}
Nxd5 8. exd5 {(8.exd5 Se7 9.a4 a6 10.Sc3 Da5 11.Le2 Sg6
12.h4 Le7 13.h5 Sh4 14.h6 g6 15.0-0 0-0 16.Te1 b5 17.b4
Dxb4 18.Ld2 Ld7 19.Sxb5 De4 20.Lf1 Dxd5) +0.71/19 2} Nb8
9. a4 {(9.a4 Le7 10.Le2 0-0 11.0-0 f5 12.c4 a6 13.Sc3 e4
14.a5 Sd7 15.Le3 Lg5 16.Ld4 Lf6 17.Ta3 Le5 18.Dd2 Df6
19.Td1 h5 20.b4 h4 21.c5 Lxd4 22.Dxd4 Dxd4 23.Txd4 dxc5
24.bxc5 Sxc5) +0.43/25 2} Be7 10. Be2 {(10.Le2 0-0 11.0-0
Lf5 12.c4 a6 13.Sc3 a5 14.f4 exf4 15.Lxf4 Sd7 16.Ld3 Lxd3
17.Dxd3 Lf6 18.Se4 Lxb2 19.Sg5 g6 20.Dh3 h5 21.Tab1 Ld4+
22.Kh1 Le5 23.Dg3 Lxf4 24.Dxf4) +0.66/25 3} O-O 11. O-O
{(11.0-0 f5 12.Ld2 f4 13.c4 a6 14.Sc3 Lf5 15.Lg4 Sd7
16.Lxf5 Txf5 17.Se4 Sf6 18.De2 De8 19.Ta3 Dd7 20.a5 Sxe4
21.Dxe4 Taf8 22.b4 Th5) +0.42/24 3} Nd7 12. Bd2 {(12.Ld2 a6
13.Sa3 a5 14.Sb5 f5 15.b4 b6 16.bxa5 bxa5 17.Lc1 f4 18.La3
e4 19.Sd4 Se5 20.Sc6 Sxc6 21.dxc6 Le6 22.Lg4 Lxg4 23.Dxg4)
+0.33/22 2} a6 13. Na3 {(13.Sa3 a5 14.Kh1 f5 15.f4 Lf6
16.Sc4 Dc7 17.Le3 exf4 18.Lxf4 Se5 19.Lxe5 dxe5 20.Dd3 g6
21.Db3 Kg7 22.Tad1 Ld7 23.d6 Dc5 24.Dxb7 Ta7 25.Td5 Txb7
26.Txc5 Lxa4) +0.58/23 2} a5 14. Nb5 {(14.Sb5 f5 15.b4 axb4
16.Lxb4 Sb8 17.c4 Sa6 18.La3 Kh8 19.a5 e4 20.f4 Sc5 21.Lb4
Ld7 22.Ta3 h6 23.Dd2 b6 24.h3 Kh7 25.Kh2 bxa5 26.Txa5 Lxb5
27.Txa8 Dxa8 28.cxb5) +0.28/23 2} f5 15. f3 {(15.f3 f4
16.b4 Tf6 17.bxa5 Th6 18.g4 Lh4 19.Ld3 Sf6 20.De2 Sxd5
21.c4 Se3 22.Lxe3 fxe3 23.Dxe3 Le6 24.De2 Lg5 25.Le4)
+0.29/21 2} f4 16. b4 {(16.b4 Tf6 17.Ld3 Th6 18.c4 Lf8
19.De2 axb4 20.Lxb4 Dh4 21.h3 Sf6 22.Le1 Dh5 23.Ta2 Se8
24.a5 Dg5 25.Kh2 Dh5 26.Th1 Le7 27.Sc3 Sf6 28.Df1 Ld8
29.Se4 Sxe4 30.Lxe4) +0.42/22 8} axb4 {(16. ... axb4
17.Lxb4 Tf6 18.c4 Th6 19.Ld3 Db6+ 20.Kh1 Sb8 21.c5 Dd8
22.Kg1 dxc5 23.Le1 Kh8 24.Le4 Taa6 25.Dc2 Sd7 26.Lf2 Th5
27.h3 Thh6 28.Tfe1 Sb6 29.Lxc5 Lxc5+ 30.Dxc5 Sxa4) +0.47/23
36} 17. Bxb4 {(17.Lxb4 Sb8 18.c4 Sa6 19.La3 Ld7 20.Ld3 Db6+
21.Kh1 Sc5 22.Lc2 g6 23.Lb4 Tfc8 24.De2 Dd8 25.a5 Ta6
26.Tab1 b6 27.axb6 Dxb6 28.Sc3 Taa8 29.Se4 Sxe4 30.Lxe4)
+0.82/17 2} Rf6 {(17. ... Tf6 18.c4 Th6 19.Ld3 Db6+ 20.Kh1
Sb8 21.Dc2 Dd8 22.Kg1 Sa6 23.La3 Kh8 24.Tab1 Ld7 25.Lf5 Tc8
26.Lxd7 Dxd7 27.Sa7 Ta8 28.Sb5 Tc8) 0.00/24 36} 18. Bd3
{(18.Ld3 Sb8 19.c4 Sa6 20.La3 b6 21.Dc2 g6 22.Tfb1 Tf7
23.Ta2 Sc5 24.Lxc5 bxc5 25.Tab2 Lf6 26.Le4 Tb7 27.Sc3 Txb2
28.Dxb2 Da5 29.Kf1 Kg7 30.g4 fxg3 31.hxg3 Lh3+ 32.Kg1 Lc8
33.Kg2) +0.90/21 9} Nb8 {(18. ... Sb8 19.c4 Sa6 20.La3 Th6
21.Dc2 Db6+ 22.Kh1 Dd8 23.Kg1) 0.00/23 15} 19. c4 {(19.c4
Sa6 20.La3 b6 21.Tb1 Sc5 22.Lxc5 bxc5 23.Tf2 Tf7 24.Tfb2
Lf6 25.Le4 Tb7 26.Dc2 g6 27.Sc3 Txb2 28.Dxb2 Da5 29.g4 fxg3
30.hxg3 Ld8 31.Kf2 Dc7 32.Db5 Ld7 33.Db3 Dc8 34.Db7 La5
35.Dxc8+ Lxc8 36.Sb5) +0.86/25 12} Na6 {(19. ... Sa6 20.La3
Db6+ 21.Kh1 Th6 22.Dc2 Dd8 23.Kg1 b6 24.Lf5 De8 25.Lxc8
Dxc8 26.Tfe1 Sc5 27.Sc3 Dc7 28.Sb5 Dc8) 0.00/24 0} 20. Ba3
{(20.La3 b6 21.Sc3 Sc5 22.Lxc5 bxc5 23.Tf2 Tf7 24.Tb2 Lf6
25.Se4 Tfa7 26.Db1 Le7 27.Tb8 Dc7 28.Txa8 Txa8 29.g4 fxg3
30.hxg3 g6 31.Ta2 Kg7 32.Da1 Lf5 33.a5 Lxe4 34.Lxe4 Ta6
35.f4 Lf6 36.f5 gxf5 37.Lxf5 e4 38.De1) +1.06/26 7} Rh6
{(20. ... Th6 21.Dc2 Dd7 22.Df2 De8 23.Sc3 Sc5 24.Lxc5 dxc5
25.Db2 b6 26.h3 Ld7 27.Tfe1 Lf6 28.Le4 Lh4 29.Te2 Tb8
30.Sb5 Lf6 31.d6 Dh5 32.Ld5+ Kh8) +0.03/22 0} 21. Qc2
{(21.Dc2 De8 22.Tab1 b6 23.Sc3 Dh5 24.h3 Ld8 25.Tb2 Lc7
26.Se4 Tg6 27.Kh1 Sc5 28.Lxc5 bxc5 29.Sf2 Tg3 30.Le4 Dh4
31.Tb5 g6 32.Ta1 Kg7 33.a5) +1.38/21 8} Qd7 {(21. ... De8)
0.00/25 54} 22. h3 {(22.h3 Kh8 23.a5 Dd8 24.Tfb1 Lxh3
25.gxh3 Txh3 26.Kg2 Tg3+ 27.Kf2 Lh4 28.Sxd6 Th3+ 29.Ke2
Th2+ 30.Kf1 Txc2 31.Sf7+ Kg8 32.Sxd8 Tf2+ 33.Kg1 Txf3
34.Lf5 Txd8 35.Txb7 e4 36.Lxe4 Te3 37.Lf5 f3 38.Le6+ Kh8)
+1.90/22 9} b6 {(22. ... b6 23.Tfb1 Kh8 24.Sc3 Dc7 25.Sb5
Dd8 26.Sc3 Dc7) 0.00/19 9} 23. Rfb1 {(23.Tfb1 Ld8 24.Sc3
Lc7 25.Tb2 Dd8 26.Tab1 Ld7 27.Lf5 Lxf5 28.Dxf5 Sb8 29.Kh2
Sd7 30.Tb5 Tf6 31.Dc2 Tf7 32.T5b2 g5 33.Sb5 Tf6 34.Lb4 Th6
35.Le1 Ta6 36.Lf2 Kg7) +2.01/26 20} Bd8 {(23. ... Ld8 24.a5
bxa5 25.Sxd6 Txd6 26.Lxh7+ Kh8 27.Le4 Ta7 28.c5 Txd5
29.Lxd5 Dxd5 30.Td1 Dg8 31.Dg6 Lc7 32.Dh5+ Dh7 33.De8+ Dg8
34.Dh5+) 0.00/22 4} 24. Nc3 {(24.Sc3 Lc7 25.Ta2 Kh8 26.Tab2
Sc5 27.Lxc5 bxc5 28.Se4 Dd8 29.a5 Kg8 30.Ta2 Ta6 31.Tba1
Th5 32.Db1 g6 33.Sf2 Kg7 34.De1 Lf5 35.Kh1 Ld7 36.Kh2 Dh4
37.Le4 Lf5 38.Lxf5 gxf5 39.Kh1) +1.87/26 8} Bc7 {(24. ...
Lc7) -0.21/23 28} 25. Ra2 {(25.Ta2 Sc5 26.Lxc5 bxc5 27.a5
Ta6 28.Se4 Dd8 29.Tba1 g6 30.Db1 Th5 31.Sf2 Kg7 32.Db5 Kg8
33.Kf1 Kg7 34.Db1 Kh6 35.De1 Kg7 36.Dd2 Lf5 37.Le4 Lc8
38.Dc3 Kf7 39.Kg1) +1.87/26 33} Kh8 {(25. ... Kh8 26.Sb5
Ld8 27.Sc3 Lc7) 0.00/23 10} 26. Kh2 {(26.Kh2 Kg8 27.Se4 Dd8
28.Sf2 Sb8 29.Lf5 Lxf5 30.Dxf5 Tg6 31.Lb4 Sd7 32.Dd3 Sf6
33.Le1 De8 34.Tb5 Tg5 35.Se4 Sxe4 36.Dxe4 Dg6 37.Lh4 Dxe4
38.fxe4) +2.04/25 20} Qe7 {(26. ... De7) -0.23/22 40}
27. Bf5 {(27.Lf5 Lxf5 28.Dxf5 Tf6 29.Dc2 Dd8 30.Se4 Tg6
31.a5 bxa5 32.Tab2 Lb8 33.Tb6 Lc7 34.Tb7 h6 35.T1b5 a4
36.Kh1 Kh7 37.Tb1 Kh8 38.T7b5 Kh7 39.Kh2 Sb8 40.c5 dxc5
41.Txc5 Lb6 42.Tc8 Dxd5) +2.90/25 6} Bxf5 {(27. ... Lxf5)
-0.86/21 14} 28. Qxf5 {(28.Dxf5 Tf6 29.Dc2 Tg6 30.a5 bxa5
31.Se4 Dd8 32.Tab2 Kg8 33.Db3 a4 34.Dc2 Kh8 35.Tb7 h6
36.Df2 Lb8 37.Db6 Lc7 38.Dc6 Kh7 39.c5 dxc5 40.d6 Lxd6
41.Td1 Dc8 42.Dxc8 Txc8 43.Txd6 Txd6 44.Sxd6 Tc7 45.Tb6 Sb4
46.Se4 Sd5 47.Te6 Se3 48.Txe5) +3.04/29 3} Kg8 {(28. ...
Kg8) -0.84/21 9} 29. a5 {(29.a5 bxa5 30.Tb7 Tg6 31.Tab2 a4
32.Se4 Dd8 33.Td2 De8 34.c5 dxc5 35.d6 Ld8 36.Td5 De6
37.Dxe5 Dxe5 38.Txe5 Lh4 39.d7 Td8 40.Te8+ Kf7 41.g4 fxg3+
42.Kg2) +3.75/23 11} bxa5 {(29. ... bxa5 30.Tb7 Tf6 31.Db1
a4 32.Sxa4 Tg6 33.c5 Dh4 34.cxd6 Lxd6 35.Lxd6 Txd6 36.Sb6
Tb8 37.Txb8+ Sxb8 38.Ta8 Td8 39.Sc4 Sd7 40.Txd8+ Dxd8
41.Df5 g6 42.De6+ Kg7 43.Sxe5 Sxe5 44.Dxe5+ Kg8 45.d6 g5
46.Dd5+ Kf8) -1.64/20 14} 30. Rb7 {(30.Tb7 Tf6 31.Db1 Tg6
32.Se4 Dd8 33.Td2 Sb4 34.c5 Tb8 35.Txb8 Dxb8 36.Lxb4 axb4
37.Db3 Db5 38.Ta2 h6 39.h4 Db8 40.h5 Tg3 41.Sxg3 fxg3+
42.Kh3 De8) +3.85/25 2} Rg6 {(30. ... Tg6 31.Tab2 a4 32.Sb5
Tf8 33.Db1 Dd8 34.Ta7 Dc8 35.Sxd6 Txd6 36.Lxd6 Lxd6 37.Tb6
Lc5 38.Tbxa6 Lxa7 39.Txa7 Dd8 40.Txa4 De7 41.Ta6 Tf6
42.Txf6 gxf6 43.Db6) -1.55/18 3} 31. Rab2 {(31.Tab2 Df8
32.Dd7 Dd8 33.Dc6 h6 34.c5 Kh7 35.Se4 dxc5 36.d6 Dc8 37.Dd5
Ld8 38.Tf7 Lh4 39.Dxe5 Sb4 40.d7 Da6 41.Dxf4 De6 42.Td2 Sd5
43.Dxh4 Dxf7 44.d8D Txd8 45.Dxd8 Df4+ 46.Kh1 Se3 47.Dd3 c4
48.Ld6 Dxf3 49.gxf3 cxd3 50.Txd3) +4.03/25 9} Qd8 {(31. ...
De8) -1.80/20 6} 32. Ne4 {(32.Se4 Sb4 33.Lxb4 axb4 34.T2xb4
De7 35.Dh5 De8 36.Tb2 Dd7 37.T2b5 De7 38.Tb3 Th6 39.Df5 Tg6
40.c5 dxc5 41.d6 Txd6 42.Sxd6 Dxd6 43.De4 Tf8) +4.49/22 7}
Qe7 {(32. ... De7) -2.09/23 4} 33. R2b6 {(33.T2b6 Sb4
34.Lxb4 axb4 35.c5 Dd8 36.Tc6 Dh4 37.Dxg6 hxg6 38.Tcxc7
dxc5 39.Txg7+ Kh8 40.Txg6 Tg8 41.Tc6 Tg7 42.Tb8+ Tg8
43.Tbb6 De1 44.Tc7 Dh4 45.Txc5 De7 46.Txb4 Da7 47.Tb2 Da1
48.Tcc2 Kh7 49.Tb6 De1 50.Tc7+ Tg7 51.Sf6+ Kh6 52.Sg4+ Kh7
53.Th6+ Kg8 54.Tc8+ Kf7) +6.05/24 8} Nb4 {(33. ... Sb4
34.Lxb4 axb4 35.Txb4 Tf8 36.Dh5 Dd8 37.Tb2 Kh8 38.Tb1 Kg8
39.T1b5 Kh8 40.c5 dxc5 41.Txc5 Lb6 42.Tb5 Lc7 43.d6 Txd6
44.Sxd6 Dxd6 45.Ta7 Lb6 46.Tf7 Lf2 47.Txf8+ Dxf8 48.Txe5
Lg3+ 49.Kg1 g6 50.Dg5) -1.52/18 2} 34. Bxb4 {(34.Lxb4 axb4
35.c5 Tf8 36.cxd6 Lxd6 37.Txe7 Lxe7 38.Tb8 Txb8 39.Dxe5 Tb7
40.d6 Txd6 41.Sxd6 Lxd6 42.Dxd6 Tf7 43.Dxb4 h6 44.Db8+ Tf8
45.Dd6 Tf6 46.Dd5+ Kh8 47.Da8+ Kh7 48.Db7 Kg8 49.h4 Kh7
50.Db1+ Kh8 51.De4 Tf8) +6.66/24 6} axb4 {(34. ... axb4)
-2.52/21 0} 35. c5 {(35.c5 Dd8 36.Tc6 Dh4 37.Dxg6 hxg6
38.Tcxc7 dxc5 39.Txg7+ Kh8 40.Txg6 Tg8 41.Tc6 Tg7 42.Tb8+
Tg8 43.Tbb6 Dd8 44.Td6 De7 45.Th6+ Kg7 46.Tbg6+ Kf8 47.d6
Da7 48.d7 Dxd7 49.Txg8+ Kxg8 50.Sf6+ Kg7 51.Sxd7 Kxh6
52.Sxc5 Kg5 53.Sb3 Kh5 54.Kg1 Kh4 55.Kf2 Kg5) +7.40/26 9}
Qd8 {(35. ... Dd8 36.Tc6 Dh4 37.Dxg6 hxg6 38.Tcxc7 dxc5
39.d6 c4 40.Txb4 Td8 41.Te7 g5 42.Txc4 Txd6 43.Tcc7 Td8
44.Txg7+ Kh8 45.Tge7 Tg8 46.Tb7 Ta8 47.Txe5 Tg8 48.Td5 Tg7
49.Tb6 De1) -1.05/17 1} 36. Rc6 {(36.Tc6 Dh4 37.Dxg6 hxg6
38.Tcxc7 dxc5 39.Txg7+ Kh8 40.Txg6 c4 41.Tc6 Td8 42.Txb4
Td7 43.d6 c3 44.Tb8+ Td8 45.Tcc8 Txc8 46.Txc8+ Kg7 47.d7 c2
48.Txc2 Dd8 49.Td2 Kf7 50.Td6 Kg7 51.Td5 Kh6 52.Sc5 Dh4
53.Se4 De1) +8.24/25 12} Qh4 {(36. ... Dh4) -3.05/24 0}
37. Qxg6 {(37.Dxg6 hxg6 38.Tcxc7 dxc5 39.Txg7+ Kh8 40.Txg6
c4 41.Txb4 c3 42.Tc6 Tg8 43.Tbb6 Dd8 44.Th6+ Kg7 45.Thd6
Dc7 46.Tg6+ Kh8 47.Th6+ Kg7 48.Sg5 Dxb6 49.Txb6 Tc8 50.Tb1
c2 51.Tc1 Kg6 52.Se4 Kh7 53.h4 Kg7) +8.96/23 6} hxg6 {(37.
... hxg6) -3.19/27 0} 38. Rcxc7 {(38.Tcxc7 dxc5 39.Txg7+
Kh8 40.Txg6 Dh5 41.Tbb6 c4 42.Th6+ Dxh6 43.Txh6+ Kg7 44.Tb6
b3 45.d6 Kf7 46.Tb4 Ke6 47.Txc4 Tb8 48.Tc1 Kd7 49.Tb1 b2
50.h4 Kc6 51.Kh3 Kd5 52.h5 Kc4) +9.09/23 5} dxc5 {1-0 Arena
Entscheidung} 1-0

Posts : 112 Join date : 2022-07-19

Mclane wrote:

now with stockfish16:

Code:: Motor Punkte Et CS CS St Dr St Re Dr Be Lc Wa De Bo Pe Ko Ko Ch Eq De De CS Co S-B
01: Ethereal-14.00-pext-avx2 [t4] 63,0/84 ···· ==== ==== ==11 01== 1==1 ==== ==== ==== =1== 111= =1== =1== 1111 1111 1111 1110 0111 1111 1111 1111 1111 2345,5
02: CSTal2-v21-E1019-Elo-avx2 [t4] 62,5/84 ==== ···· ==== =1=0 01== 10=1 ==== ==== ===1 ==1= 111= 1111 101= 1111 111= 1=== =111 1111 11=1 1111 1111 1111 2304,7
03: CSTal2-v21-E1162-130-EAS-avx2 [t4] 62,0/84 ==== ==== ···· =10= ==== 0=== =1== 11== 1=0= ===1 11== 111= 1111 1==1 =111 1=1= ==11 1=11 1111 1111 1111 1111 2285,2
04: Stockfish16 [t4] 59,5/84 ==00 =0=1 =01= ···· 1==1 0==1 ==11 ==10 101= 0=== 01=1 11=1 =1=1 1110 111= 1101 1011 1110 1111 1111 1111 1111 2190,0
05: Dragon-3.1-64bit-avx2 [t4] 59,5/84 10== 10== ==== 0==0 ···· ==11 ==== ==0= ==01 1=11 1=10 ==11 1=== 1101 1==1 11== 1111 =111 1111 1111 1111 1111 2167,0
06: Stockfish15.1-avx2 [t4] 59,0/84 0==0 01=0 1=== 1==0 ==00 ···· 1==1 11== ==0= 101= 1110 1111 1101 1=11 101= 1100 1101 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 2139,7
07: Rebel-16.2 [t4] 57,5/84 ==== ==== =0== ==00 ==== 0==0 ···· 0=01 ===1 ==== 1==1 1==1 1=== 1==1 1=11 1=1= 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 2020,2
08: Dragon-3.1-64bit-avx2 [t4, mcts] 56,5/84 ==== ==== 00== ==01 ==1= 00== 1=10 ···· ==== =100 1111 =011 11=1 ===1 ===1 11== 11=1 =111 1==1 1111 1111 1111 2040,5
09: Berserk-11-x64-avx2-pext [t4] 55,5/84 ==== ===0 0=1= 010= ==10 ==1= ===0 ==== ···· ==== 1=== =0== 1=== 1=1= =1=1 1=1= 1111 1111 1=11 11=1 1111 1111 1994,5
10: Lc0 0.29.0 rc1 radeon gpu dx12 [753723] 54,0/84 =0== ==0= ===0 1=== 0=00 010= ==== =011 ==== ···· =11= ==11 10=1 1=== 110= 111= 1=11 =111 1=1= 1=11 1111 1111 1926,5
11: Wasp600-win-avx [t4] 42,5/84 000= 000= 00== 10=0 0=01 0001 0==0 0000 0=== =00= ···· =0=0 ==== =0== ==== 11=1 111= 11=1 1111 1111 1111 1111 1310,2
12: DeepHiarcs15.0 [t4] 40,5/84 =0== 0000 000= 00=0 ==00 0000 0==0 =100 =1== ==00 =1=1 ···· ===1 =1== 011= ===1 =1=0 111= ==== =111 =1=1 1111 1331,2
13: Booot7 [t4] 40,0/84 =0== 010= 0000 =0=0 0=== 0010 0=== 00=0 0=== 01=0 ==== ===0 ···· =1=1 00== =1== 1=00 1=11 ===1 =111 1111 1=11 1344,2
14: Pedone3.1_avx2 [t4] 39,0/84 0000 0000 0==0 0001 0010 0=00 0==0 ===0 0=0= 0=== =1== =0== =0=0 ···· ==== =111 1=1= 111= =1== 1=11 11=1 1111 1210,2
15: Komodo-14.1-64bit [t4, mcts] 38,5/84 0000 000= =000 000= 0==0 010= 0=00 ===0 =0=0 001= ==== 100= 11== ==== ···· =11= 11== 1==1 11== 0111 101= 1111 1234,2
16: Komodo-14.1-64bit [t4] 31,5/84 0000 0=== 0=0= 0010 00== 0011 0=0= 00== 0=0= 000= 00=0 ===0 =0== =000 =00= ···· 1001 10=0 1110 1101 0111 1111 1040,7
17: Chiron-5-64bit [t4] 28,0/84 0001 =000 ==00 0100 0000 0010 0000 00=0 0000 0=00 000= =0=1 0=11 0=0= 00== 0110 ···· =01= 1==0 1==1 ==1= 1111 851,25
18: Equinox 3.30-x64 [t4] 22,0/84 1000 0000 0=00 0001 =000 0000 0000 =000 0000 =000 00=0 000= 0=00 000= 0==0 01=1 =10= ···· 01=0 10== 1=1= 1111 608,00
19: DeepShredder13UCIx64 [t4, buffer6] 21,5/84 0000 00=0 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0==0 0=00 0=0= 0000 ==== ===0 =0== 00== 0001 0==1 10=1 ···· =0=0 1==1 1101 614,50
20: Deep Rybka 4.1 x64 [t4] 15,0/84 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 00=0 0=00 0000 =000 =000 0=00 1000 0010 0==0 01== =1=1 ···· =001 0111 351,00
21: CSTal3 5' 13,0/84 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 =0=0 0000 00=0 010= 1000 ==0= 0=0= 0==0 =110 ···· 0111 282,75
22: Colossus2022a [t4] 3,5/84 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0=00 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0010 1000 1000 ···· 69,50

924 Partien gespielt / Turnier beendet
Name des Turniers: Ryzen7 5700
Ort/ Land: LAPTOP-JTQQP8M7, Deutschland
Spielstufe: Turnier 40/5
Hardware: AMD Ryzen 7 5700U with Radeon Graphics mit 4.096 MB Speicher

what time control is this, and does ethereal use more of your processing power than SF on 4T ponder? because sf is clearly struggling despite almost +100 on Ethereal in 40/15 TC. A lot of the results seem odd, as I mentioned. Leela is probably the most normal result since it is on dx12, t75 is used, and doesn't have a ponder setting.

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Chris, It may have been previously asked and answered but what was the reason for closed source code this time?

Subject: Re: Chess System Tal 2 released Tue Jul 04, 2023 1:16 am

texium wrote:

Mclane wrote:

now with stockfish16:

Code:: Motor Punkte Et CS CS St Dr St Re Dr Be Lc Wa De Bo Pe Ko Ko Ch Eq De De CS Co S-B
01: Ethereal-14.00-pext-avx2 [t4] 63,0/84 ···· ==== ==== ==11 01== 1==1 ==== ==== ==== =1== 111= =1== =1== 1111 1111 1111 1110 0111 1111 1111 1111 1111 2345,5
02: CSTal2-v21-E1019-Elo-avx2 [t4] 62,5/84 ==== ···· ==== =1=0 01== 10=1 ==== ==== ===1 ==1= 111= 1111 101= 1111 111= 1=== =111 1111 11=1 1111 1111 1111 2304,7
03: CSTal2-v21-E1162-130-EAS-avx2 [t4] 62,0/84 ==== ==== ···· =10= ==== 0=== =1== 11== 1=0= ===1 11== 111= 1111 1==1 =111 1=1= ==11 1=11 1111 1111 1111 1111 2285,2
04: Stockfish16 [t4] 59,5/84 ==00 =0=1 =01= ···· 1==1 0==1 ==11 ==10 101= 0=== 01=1 11=1 =1=1 1110 111= 1101 1011 1110 1111 1111 1111 1111 2190,0
05: Dragon-3.1-64bit-avx2 [t4] 59,5/84 10== 10== ==== 0==0 ···· ==11 ==== ==0= ==01 1=11 1=10 ==11 1=== 1101 1==1 11== 1111 =111 1111 1111 1111 1111 2167,0
06: Stockfish15.1-avx2 [t4] 59,0/84 0==0 01=0 1=== 1==0 ==00 ···· 1==1 11== ==0= 101= 1110 1111 1101 1=11 101= 1100 1101 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 2139,7
07: Rebel-16.2 [t4] 57,5/84 ==== ==== =0== ==00 ==== 0==0 ···· 0=01 ===1 ==== 1==1 1==1 1=== 1==1 1=11 1=1= 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 2020,2
08: Dragon-3.1-64bit-avx2 [t4, mcts] 56,5/84 ==== ==== 00== ==01 ==1= 00== 1=10 ···· ==== =100 1111 =011 11=1 ===1 ===1 11== 11=1 =111 1==1 1111 1111 1111 2040,5
09: Berserk-11-x64-avx2-pext [t4] 55,5/84 ==== ===0 0=1= 010= ==10 ==1= ===0 ==== ···· ==== 1=== =0== 1=== 1=1= =1=1 1=1= 1111 1111 1=11 11=1 1111 1111 1994,5
10: Lc0 0.29.0 rc1 radeon gpu dx12 [753723] 54,0/84 =0== ==0= ===0 1=== 0=00 010= ==== =011 ==== ···· =11= ==11 10=1 1=== 110= 111= 1=11 =111 1=1= 1=11 1111 1111 1926,5
11: Wasp600-win-avx [t4] 42,5/84 000= 000= 00== 10=0 0=01 0001 0==0 0000 0=== =00= ···· =0=0 ==== =0== ==== 11=1 111= 11=1 1111 1111 1111 1111 1310,2
12: DeepHiarcs15.0 [t4] 40,5/84 =0== 0000 000= 00=0 ==00 0000 0==0 =100 =1== ==00 =1=1 ···· ===1 =1== 011= ===1 =1=0 111= ==== =111 =1=1 1111 1331,2
13: Booot7 [t4] 40,0/84 =0== 010= 0000 =0=0 0=== 0010 0=== 00=0 0=== 01=0 ==== ===0 ···· =1=1 00== =1== 1=00 1=11 ===1 =111 1111 1=11 1344,2
14: Pedone3.1_avx2 [t4] 39,0/84 0000 0000 0==0 0001 0010 0=00 0==0 ===0 0=0= 0=== =1== =0== =0=0 ···· ==== =111 1=1= 111= =1== 1=11 11=1 1111 1210,2
15: Komodo-14.1-64bit [t4, mcts] 38,5/84 0000 000= =000 000= 0==0 010= 0=00 ===0 =0=0 001= ==== 100= 11== ==== ···· =11= 11== 1==1 11== 0111 101= 1111 1234,2
16: Komodo-14.1-64bit [t4] 31,5/84 0000 0=== 0=0= 0010 00== 0011 0=0= 00== 0=0= 000= 00=0 ===0 =0== =000 =00= ···· 1001 10=0 1110 1101 0111 1111 1040,7
17: Chiron-5-64bit [t4] 28,0/84 0001 =000 ==00 0100 0000 0010 0000 00=0 0000 0=00 000= =0=1 0=11 0=0= 00== 0110 ···· =01= 1==0 1==1 ==1= 1111 851,25
18: Equinox 3.30-x64 [t4] 22,0/84 1000 0000 0=00 0001 =000 0000 0000 =000 0000 =000 00=0 000= 0=00 000= 0==0 01=1 =10= ···· 01=0 10== 1=1= 1111 608,00
19: DeepShredder13UCIx64 [t4, buffer6] 21,5/84 0000 00=0 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0==0 0=00 0=0= 0000 ==== ===0 =0== 00== 0001 0==1 10=1 ···· =0=0 1==1 1101 614,50
20: Deep Rybka 4.1 x64 [t4] 15,0/84 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 00=0 0=00 0000 =000 =000 0=00 1000 0010 0==0 01== =1=1 ···· =001 0111 351,00
21: CSTal3 5' 13,0/84 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 =0=0 0000 00=0 010= 1000 ==0= 0=0= 0==0 =110 ···· 0111 282,75
22: Colossus2022a [t4] 3,5/84 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0=00 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0010 1000 1000 ···· 69,50

924 Partien gespielt / Turnier beendet
Name des Turniers: Ryzen7 5700
Ort/ Land: LAPTOP-JTQQP8M7, Deutschland
Spielstufe: Turnier 40/5
Hardware: AMD Ryzen 7 5700U with Radeon Graphics mit 4.096 MB Speicher

what time control is this, and does ethereal use more of your processing power than SF on 4T ponder? because sf is clearly struggling despite almost +100 on Ethereal in 40/15 TC. A lot of the results seem odd, as I mentioned. Leela is probably the most normal result since it is on dx12, t75 is used, and doesn't have a ponder setting.

The time comtrol is shown 40/5‘.
Permanent brain is on.
Stockfish , no matter if 15 or 16 cannot handle x in y . It sometimes has time forfeits because the arena gui is slow and stockfish has a very aggressive usage of time.

The on chip radeon card of this amd machine is not very strong for lc0.
I have stronger graphical cards in the tower pcs. This 8 core is a tiny laptop.

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My game with Chess System Tal 2.

[pgn][Event "Rapid 15min+10sec"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Young, Mark"]
[Black "Chess-System-Tal-2.00-v21-E101"]
[Result "0-1"]
[PlyCount "56"]
[EventType "rapid"]

1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 Nf6 3. Bg2 Bf5 4. d3 e6 5. c4 Nc6 6. O-O dxc4 7. Qa4 cxd3 8. Ne5 dxe2 9. Re1 Nd7 10. Nxc6 bxc6 11. Bxc6 Rb8 12. Qxa7 Bd6 13. Qe3 O-O 14. Bg2 Ne5 15. Qxe2 Qf6 16. a4 Nd3 17. Rd1 Nxb2 18. Bxb2 Rxb2 19. Nd2 Bb4 20. Rac1 Rd8 21. Rc6 Rbxd2 22. Rxd2 Rxd2 23. Qxd2 Bxd2 24. Rxc7 Qa1+ 25. Bf1 g5 26. h4 Bh3 27. g4 Qxf1+ 28. Kh2 Qg2# 0-1

[/pgn]

Chess System Tal 2 released - Page 4 Cst210

Subject: Re: Chess System Tal 2 released Tue Jul 04, 2023 9:37 am

Fischers 1950s dubrownik set.

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