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 Hans Niemann breaks the World Champion and Magnus quits after his Loss.

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mwyoung

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PostSubject: Hans Niemann breaks the World Champion and Magnus quits after his Loss.    Hans Niemann breaks the World Champion and Magnus quits after his Loss.  EmptyMon Sep 05, 2022 8:33 pm

Magnus Carlsen
@MagnusCarlsen
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29m
I've withdrawn from the tournament. I've always enjoyed playing in the
@STLChessClub
, and hope to be back in the future.

https://twitter.com/MagnusCarlsen

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PostSubject: Re: Hans Niemann breaks the World Champion and Magnus quits after his Loss.    Hans Niemann breaks the World Champion and Magnus quits after his Loss.  EmptyMon Sep 05, 2022 9:30 pm

[pgn]
[Event "Round 3: Magnus Carlsen - Hans Niemann"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/study/jNzNS3br/89RoVoRC"]
[White "Magnus Carlsen"]
[Black "Hans Niemann"]
[Result "0-1"]
[UTCDate "2022.09.04"]
[UTCTime "16"]
[Variant "Standard"]
[ECO "E20"]
[Opening "Nimzo-Indian Defense: Romanishin Variation"]
[Annotator "https://lichess.org/@/loepare"]

1. d4 { [%eval 0.0] [%clk 1:30:56] } 1... Nf6 { [%eval 0.23] [%clk 1:30:33] } 2. c4 { [%eval 0.34] [%clk 1:31:16] } 2... e6 { [%eval 0.23] [%clk 1:30:32] } 3. Nc3 { [%eval 0.05] [%clk 1:31:35] } 3... Bb4 { [%eval 0.25] [%clk 1:30:12] } 4. g3 { [%eval 0.0] [%clk 1:31:41] } 4... O-O { [%eval 0.0] [%clk 1:26:33] } 5. Bg2 { [%eval 0.0] [%clk 1:32:02] } 5... d5 { [%eval 0.0] [%clk 1:26:53] } 6. a3 { [%eval -0.23] [%clk 1:32:15] } 6... Bxc3+ { [%eval 0.16] [%clk 1:18:43] } 7. bxc3 { [%eval 0.0] [%clk 1:32:41] } 7... dxc4 { [%eval 0.0] [%clk 1:19:02] } 8. Nf3 { [%eval -0.29] [%clk 1:32:28] } 8... c5 { [%eval -0.12] [%clk 1:19:06] } 9. O-O { [%eval 0.13] [%clk 1:32:22] } 9... cxd4 { [%eval -0.03] [%clk 1:18:03] } 10. Qxd4 { [%eval -0.05] [%clk 1:32:40] } 10... Nc6 { [%eval -0.03] [%clk 1:18:27] } 11. Qxc4 { [%eval 0.0] [%clk 1:32:53] } 11... e5 { [%eval -0.13] [%clk 1:18:52] } 12. Bg5 { [%eval 0.0] [%clk 1:33:03] } 12... h6 { [%eval 0.04] [%clk 1:19:16] } 13. Rfd1 { [%eval -0.28] [%clk 1:29:16] } 13... Be6 { [%eval -0.48] [%clk 1:16:06] } 14. Rxd8 { [%eval -0.37] [%clk 1:14:01] } 14... Bxc4 { [%eval -0.37] [%clk 1:16:23] } 15. Rxa8 { [%eval -0.23] [%clk 1:14:25] } 15... Rxa8 { [%eval -0.37] [%clk 1:16:41] } 16. Bxf6 { [%eval -0.52] [%clk 1:14:37] } 16... gxf6 { [%eval -0.18] [%clk 1:17:01] } 17. Kf1 { [%eval -0.52] [%clk 1:15:02] } 17... Rd8 { [%eval -0.47] [%clk 1:09:29] } 18. Ke1 { [%eval -0.45] [%clk 1:10:08] } 18... Na5 { [%eval -0.28] [%clk 1:09:45] } 19. Rd1 { [%eval -0.39] [%clk 1:05:08] } 19... Rc8 { [%eval -0.54] [%clk 0:58:05] } 20. Nd2 { [%eval -0.2] [%clk 0:51:02] } 20... Be6 { [%eval -0.28] [%clk 0:57:10] } 21. c4 { [%eval -0.57] [%clk 0:50:05] } 21... Bxc4 { [%eval -0.25] [%clk 0:48:24] } 22. Nxc4 { [%eval -0.39] [%clk 0:44:32] } 22... Rxc4 { [%eval -0.36] [%clk 0:48:44] } 23. Rd8+ { [%eval -0.43] [%clk 0:32:13] } 23... Kg7 { [%eval -0.42] [%clk 0:49:04] } 24. Bd5 { [%eval -0.34] [%clk 0:30:56] } 24... Rc7 { [%eval -0.47] [%clk 0:49:04] } 25. Ra8 { [%eval -0.61] [%clk 0:29:10] } 25... a6 { [%eval -0.56] [%clk 0:44:35] } 26. Rb8 { [%eval -0.39] [%clk 0:29:00] } 26... f5 { [%eval -0.63] [%clk 0:35:20] } 27. Re8 { [%eval -0.62] [%clk 0:27:02] } 27... e4 { [%eval -0.63] [%clk 0:32:46] } 28. g4?! { [%eval -1.31] } { Inaccuracy. Rd8 was best. } { [%clk 0:22:05] } (28. Rd8 Kf6 29. h4 Ke5 30. f4+ exf3 31. exf3 f4 32. g4 b5 33. Be4 Nc4 34. Rd5+ Kf6) 28... Rc5 { [%eval -1.22] [%clk 0:29:11] } 29. Ba2 { [%eval -1.77] [%clk 0:19:39] } 29... Nc4?! { [%eval -0.74] } { Inaccuracy. fxg4 was best. } { [%clk 0:25:01] } (29... fxg4) 30. a4?! { [%eval -1.8] } { Inaccuracy. Bxc4 was best. } { [%clk 0:13:29] } (30. Bxc4 Rxc4) 30... Nd6 { [%eval -1.56] [%clk 0:23:58] } 31. Re7 { [%eval -3.25] [%clk 0:08:26] } 31... fxg4? { [%eval -1.84] } { Mistake. Rc2 was best. } { [%clk 0:22:03] } (31... Rc2) 32. Rd7 { [%eval -1.94] [%clk 0:07:49] } 32... e3 { [%eval -1.83] [%clk 0:19:49] } 33. fxe3 { [%eval -1.86] [%clk 0:08:07] } 33... Ne4 { [%eval -1.84] [%clk 0:20:10] } 34. Kf1 { [%eval -1.75] [%clk 0:08:34] } 34... Rc1+ { [%eval -1.07] [%clk 0:16:36] } 35. Kg2 { [%eval -1.03] [%clk 0:09:03] } 35... Rc2 { [%eval -1.15] [%clk 0:16:58] } 36. Bxf7 { [%eval -1.28] [%clk 0:08:25] } 36... Rxe2+ { [%eval -1.02] [%clk 0:16:34] } 37. Kg1 { [%eval -1.1] [%clk 0:08:54] } 37... Re1+ { [%eval -1.06] [%clk 0:12:58] } 38. Kg2 { [%eval -0.88] [%clk 0:09:19] } 38... Re2+ { [%eval -1.24] [%clk 0:13:26] } 39. Kg1 { [%eval -1.4] [%clk 0:09:37] } 39... Kf6 { [%eval -1.38] [%clk 0:11:27] } 40. Bd5 { [%eval -1.46] [%clk 0:05:00] } 40... Rd2 { [%eval -1.34] [%clk 0:04:02] } 41. Rf7+ { [%eval -1.46] [%clk 0:03:13] } 41... Kg6 { [%eval -1.28] [%clk 0:03:57] } 42. Rd7?? { [%eval -3.55] } { Blunder. Re7 was best. } { [%clk 0:03:38] } (42. Re7 Rxd5 43. Rxe4 Kg5 44. h3 gxh3 45. Kh2 Kf6 46. Rh4 h5 47. Rb4 b5 48. e4 Rg5) 42... Ng5 { [%eval -4.13] [%clk 0:26:15] } 43. Bf7+ { [%eval -4.21] [%clk 0:32:53] } 43... Kf5? { [%eval -2.46] } { Mistake. Kf6 was best. } { [%clk 0:25:57] } (43... Kf6 44. Rxd2 Nf3+ 45. Kg2 Nxd2 46. Bd5 b5 47. axb5 axb5 48. Kg3 Kg5 49. h3 gxh3 50. Kxh3) 44. Rxd2 { [%eval -2.4] [%clk 0:29:57] } 44... Nf3+ { [%eval -2.79] [%clk 0:26:24] } 45. Kg2 { [%eval -3.45] [%clk 0:29:22] } 45... Nxd2 { [%eval -2.55] [%clk 0:26:45] } 46. a5 { [%eval -2.88] [%clk 0:29:39] } 46... Ke5 { [%eval -3.1] [%clk 0:25:20] } 47. Kg3 { [%eval -3.82] [%clk 0:20:30] } 47... Nf1+ { [%eval -3.9] [%clk 0:25:34] } 48. Kf2?! { [%eval -5.97] } { Inaccuracy. Kxg4 was best. } { [%clk 0:17:03] } (48. Kxg4 Nxh2+) 48... Nxh2 { [%eval -6.44] [%clk 0:24:10] } 49. e4 { [%eval -6.17] [%clk 0:17:21] } 49... Kxe4 { [%eval -7.81] [%clk 0:12:10] } 50. Be6 { [%eval -9.07] [%clk 0:17:42] } 50... Kf4 { [%eval -9.89] [%clk 0:12:20] } 51. Bc8 { [%eval -10.4] [%clk 0:16:44] } 51... Nf3 { [%eval -10.03] [%clk 0:10:21] } 52. Bxb7 { [%eval -10.85] [%clk 0:17:04] } 52... Ne5 { [%eval -10.99] [%clk 0:10:31] } 53. Bxa6 { [%eval -11.53] [%clk 0:17:14] } 53... Nc6 { [%eval -12.0] [%clk 0:10:56] } 54. Bb7 { [%eval -11.85] [%clk 0:17:01] } 54... Nxa5 { [%eval -11.89] [%clk 0:11:21] } 55. Bd5 { [%eval -12.53] [%clk 0:17:27] } 55... h5 { [%eval -12.33] [%clk 0:10:50] } 56. Bf7 { [%eval -14.51] [%clk 0:16:57] } 56... h4 { [%eval -12.88] [%clk 0:11:12] } 57. Bd5 { [%eval -13.5] [%clk 0:17:20] } 57... Ke5 { [%eval -12.89] [%clk 0:11:19] } 0-1
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From Lichess https://lichess.org/broadcast/sinquefield-cup--grand-chess-tour-2022/round-3/jNzNS3br/89RoVoRC#0
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mwyoung

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PostSubject: Re: Hans Niemann breaks the World Champion and Magnus quits after his Loss.    Hans Niemann breaks the World Champion and Magnus quits after his Loss.  EmptyMon Sep 05, 2022 9:52 pm

It seems Magnus is accusing Hans of cheating in the game. So I ran the game with centipawn analysis. Results are Hans did not cheat, Magnus just got outplayed.

[pgn][Event "9th Sinquefield Cup 2022"]
[Site "Saint Louis USA"]
[Date "2022.09.04"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Carlsen, M."]
[Black "Niemann, Hans Moke"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "E20"]
[WhiteElo "2861"]
[BlackElo "2688"]
[PlyCount "113"]
[EventDate "2022.09.01"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. g3 O-O 5. Bg2 d5 6. a3 Bxc3+ 7. bxc3 dxc4 {Stockfish 290822:} 8. Nf3 c5 9. O-O cxd4 10. Qxd4 Nc6 {OK} 11. Qxc4 {OK} e5 {OK} 12. Bg5 {OK} h6 13. Rfd1 {Inaccurate} Be6 {Best} 14. Rxd8 {OK} Bxc4 {Best (Easy)} 15. Rxa8 {OK} Rxa8 16. Bxf6 {OK} gxf6 17. Kf1 {Inaccurate} Rd8 {Inaccurate} 18. Ke1 {OK} Na5 19. Rd1 {OK} Rc8 {OK} 20. Nd2 Be6 {OK} 21. c4 {Inaccurate} Bxc4 {Inaccurate} 22. Nxc4 Rxc4 23. Rd8+ {OK} Kg7 {OK} 24. Bd5 {OK} Rc7 25. Ra8 a6 {OK} 26. Rb8 f5 {OK} 27. Re8 {Inaccurate} e4 28. g4 {Mistake (1.0)} (28. Rd8 $15) 28... Rc5 $17 {OK} 29. Ba2 Nc4 $2 {Missed win (2.1)} (29... fxg4 $19) 30. a4 $2 {Loses game (3.1)} (30. Bxc4 $11) 30... Nd6 $1 $19 {Strong} 31. Re7 $2 {Mistake (1.9)} (31. Rd8) 31... fxg4 {Inaccurate} 32. Rd7 {Best} e3 {OK} 33. fxe3 {Best} Ne4 {OK} 34. Kf1 {Best} Rc1+ $2 {Missed win (2.6)} (34... Rf5+ $19) 35. Kg2 $15 {Best (Easy)} Rc2 36. Bxf7 {Best (Easy)} Rxe2+ 37. Kg1 {Best (Easy)} Re1+ {OK} 38. Kg2 Re2+ {OK} 39. Kg1 {Best (Easy)} Kf6 {OK} 40. Bd5 {Inaccurate} Rd2 {OK} 41. Rf7+ {Best} Kg6 {Best (Easy)} 42. Rd7 $2 (42. Re7 $17) 42... Ng5 $19 43. Bf7+ Kf5 44. Rxd2 Nf3+ 45. Kg2 Nxd2 46. a5 {[#]} Ke5 $1 47. Kg3 {[#]} Nf1+ $1 48. Kf2 Nxh2 49. e4 Kxe4 50. Be6 Kf4 51. Bc8 Nf3 52. Bxb7 Ne5 53. Bxa6 Nc6 54. Bb7 Nxa5 55. Bd5 h5 56. Bf7 h4 {Black mates} 57. Bd5 {Strong:   Black=1 Best:   White=8, Black=3 OK:   White=9, Black=14 Inaccurate:   White=5, Black=3 Mistake:   White=2 Missed win:   Black=2 Loses game:   White=1.  Weighted Error Value: White=0.83/Black=0.38 Centipawn loss: w=69/b=28} 0-1

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PostSubject: Re: Hans Niemann breaks the World Champion and Magnus quits after his Loss.    Hans Niemann breaks the World Champion and Magnus quits after his Loss.  EmptyMon Sep 05, 2022 10:56 pm

mwyoung wrote:
It seems Magnus is accusing Hans of cheating in the game. So I ran the game with centipawn analysis. Results are Hans did not cheat, Magnus just got outplayed.

[pgn][Event "9th Sinquefield Cup 2022"]
[Site "Saint Louis USA"]
[Date "2022.09.04"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Carlsen, M."]
[Black "Niemann, Hans Moke"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "E20"]
[WhiteElo "2861"]
[BlackElo "2688"]
[PlyCount "113"]
[EventDate "2022.09.01"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. g3 O-O 5. Bg2 d5 6. a3 Bxc3+ 7. bxc3 dxc4 {Stockfish 290822:} 8. Nf3 c5 9. O-O cxd4 10. Qxd4 Nc6 {OK} 11. Qxc4 {OK} e5 {OK} 12. Bg5 {OK} h6 13. Rfd1 {Inaccurate} Be6 {Best} 14. Rxd8 {OK} Bxc4 {Best (Easy)} 15. Rxa8 {OK} Rxa8 16. Bxf6 {OK} gxf6 17. Kf1 {Inaccurate} Rd8 {Inaccurate} 18. Ke1 {OK} Na5 19. Rd1 {OK} Rc8 {OK} 20. Nd2 Be6 {OK} 21. c4 {Inaccurate} Bxc4 {Inaccurate} 22. Nxc4 Rxc4 23. Rd8+ {OK} Kg7 {OK} 24. Bd5 {OK} Rc7 25. Ra8 a6 {OK} 26. Rb8 f5 {OK} 27. Re8 {Inaccurate} e4 28. g4 {Mistake (1.0)} (28. Rd8 $15) 28... Rc5 $17 {OK} 29. Ba2 Nc4 $2 {Missed win (2.1)} (29... fxg4 $19) 30. a4 $2 {Loses game (3.1)} (30. Bxc4 $11) 30... Nd6 $1 $19 {Strong} 31. Re7 $2 {Mistake (1.9)} (31. Rd8) 31... fxg4 {Inaccurate} 32. Rd7 {Best} e3 {OK} 33. fxe3 {Best} Ne4 {OK} 34. Kf1 {Best} Rc1+ $2 {Missed win (2.6)} (34... Rf5+ $19) 35. Kg2 $15 {Best (Easy)} Rc2 36. Bxf7 {Best (Easy)} Rxe2+ 37. Kg1 {Best (Easy)} Re1+ {OK} 38. Kg2 Re2+ {OK} 39. Kg1 {Best (Easy)} Kf6 {OK} 40. Bd5 {Inaccurate} Rd2 {OK} 41. Rf7+ {Best} Kg6 {Best (Easy)} 42. Rd7 $2 (42. Re7 $17) 42... Ng5 $19 43. Bf7+ Kf5 44. Rxd2 Nf3+ 45. Kg2 Nxd2 46. a5 {[#]} Ke5 $1 47. Kg3 {[#]} Nf1+ $1 48. Kf2 Nxh2 49. e4 Kxe4 50. Be6 Kf4 51. Bc8 Nf3 52. Bxb7 Ne5 53. Bxa6 Nc6 54. Bb7 Nxa5 55. Bd5 h5 56. Bf7 h4 {Black mates} 57. Bd5 {Strong:   Black=1 Best:   White=8, Black=3 OK:   White=9, Black=14 Inaccurate:   White=5, Black=3 Mistake:   White=2 Missed win:   Black=2 Loses game:   White=1.  Weighted Error Value: White=0.83/Black=0.38 Centipawn loss: w=69/b=28} 0-1

[/pgn]

it's just some anons on Twitter speculating. Basis is a cryptic comment by Magnus which could mean anything.
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PostSubject: Re: Hans Niemann breaks the World Champion and Magnus quits after his Loss.    Hans Niemann breaks the World Champion and Magnus quits after his Loss.  EmptyMon Sep 05, 2022 11:04 pm

Chris Whittington wrote:
mwyoung wrote:
It seems Magnus is accusing Hans of cheating in the game. So I ran the game with centipawn analysis. Results are Hans did not cheat, Magnus just got outplayed.

[pgn][Event "9th Sinquefield Cup 2022"]
[Site "Saint Louis USA"]
[Date "2022.09.04"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Carlsen, M."]
[Black "Niemann, Hans Moke"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "E20"]
[WhiteElo "2861"]
[BlackElo "2688"]
[PlyCount "113"]
[EventDate "2022.09.01"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. g3 O-O 5. Bg2 d5 6. a3 Bxc3+ 7. bxc3 dxc4 {Stockfish 290822:} 8. Nf3 c5 9. O-O cxd4 10. Qxd4 Nc6 {OK} 11. Qxc4 {OK} e5 {OK} 12. Bg5 {OK} h6 13. Rfd1 {Inaccurate} Be6 {Best} 14. Rxd8 {OK} Bxc4 {Best (Easy)} 15. Rxa8 {OK} Rxa8 16. Bxf6 {OK} gxf6 17. Kf1 {Inaccurate} Rd8 {Inaccurate} 18. Ke1 {OK} Na5 19. Rd1 {OK} Rc8 {OK} 20. Nd2 Be6 {OK} 21. c4 {Inaccurate} Bxc4 {Inaccurate} 22. Nxc4 Rxc4 23. Rd8+ {OK} Kg7 {OK} 24. Bd5 {OK} Rc7 25. Ra8 a6 {OK} 26. Rb8 f5 {OK} 27. Re8 {Inaccurate} e4 28. g4 {Mistake (1.0)} (28. Rd8 $15) 28... Rc5 $17 {OK} 29. Ba2 Nc4 $2 {Missed win (2.1)} (29... fxg4 $19) 30. a4 $2 {Loses game (3.1)} (30. Bxc4 $11) 30... Nd6 $1 $19 {Strong} 31. Re7 $2 {Mistake (1.9)} (31. Rd8) 31... fxg4 {Inaccurate} 32. Rd7 {Best} e3 {OK} 33. fxe3 {Best} Ne4 {OK} 34. Kf1 {Best} Rc1+ $2 {Missed win (2.6)} (34... Rf5+ $19) 35. Kg2 $15 {Best (Easy)} Rc2 36. Bxf7 {Best (Easy)} Rxe2+ 37. Kg1 {Best (Easy)} Re1+ {OK} 38. Kg2 Re2+ {OK} 39. Kg1 {Best (Easy)} Kf6 {OK} 40. Bd5 {Inaccurate} Rd2 {OK} 41. Rf7+ {Best} Kg6 {Best (Easy)} 42. Rd7 $2 (42. Re7 $17) 42... Ng5 $19 43. Bf7+ Kf5 44. Rxd2 Nf3+ 45. Kg2 Nxd2 46. a5 {[#]} Ke5 $1 47. Kg3 {[#]} Nf1+ $1 48. Kf2 Nxh2 49. e4 Kxe4 50. Be6 Kf4 51. Bc8 Nf3 52. Bxb7 Ne5 53. Bxa6 Nc6 54. Bb7 Nxa5 55. Bd5 h5 56. Bf7 h4 {Black mates} 57. Bd5 {Strong:   Black=1 Best:   White=8, Black=3 OK:   White=9, Black=14 Inaccurate:   White=5, Black=3 Mistake:   White=2 Missed win:   Black=2 Loses game:   White=1.  Weighted Error Value: White=0.83/Black=0.38 Centipawn loss: w=69/b=28} 0-1

[/pgn]

it's just some anons on Twitter speculating. Basis is a cryptic comment by Magnus which could mean anything.

I guess Magnus the World Champion needs to explain his unprecedented withdraw from a super GM tournament after his loss!
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PostSubject: Re: Hans Niemann breaks the World Champion and Magnus quits after his Loss.    Hans Niemann breaks the World Champion and Magnus quits after his Loss.  EmptyTue Sep 06, 2022 2:17 am

I think it is just that Magnus hates losing so much, that's basically why he is the best! He had not lost in 53 serious games I believe? If he thinks there is something fishy going on and had any evidence to show, he would not have withdrawn so promptly? But if he thinks he can't really perform because of motivation, or there might be other reasons we don't know about. He would not do that lightly, professional sportsman that he is and organizers not going to be happy.
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PostSubject: Re: Hans Niemann breaks the World Champion and Magnus quits after his Loss.    Hans Niemann breaks the World Champion and Magnus quits after his Loss.  EmptyTue Sep 06, 2022 4:38 pm

Magnus wants to be away when scandal comes..

He took his money.. :

bye bye.. Laughing Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Hans Niemann breaks the World Champion and Magnus quits after his Loss.    Hans Niemann breaks the World Champion and Magnus quits after his Loss.  EmptyTue Sep 06, 2022 10:10 pm

Here are the facts. There is zero evidence Hans cheated. And there is zero proof.

On the other hand some of the top players benefit from the inuendo like we have seen, and trying to tarnish the young upstart Hans. Because as we know there is only so much room and money to be made at the top level of the chess profession. And if a new player comes in, that means one older player must come out.

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PostSubject: Re: Hans Niemann breaks the World Champion and Magnus quits after his Loss.    Hans Niemann breaks the World Champion and Magnus quits after his Loss.  EmptyTue Sep 06, 2022 10:29 pm

Morphy, Fischer, Magnus

similarity: quit playing, paranoid,  got crazy.

Botwinnik rules. (kept playing at the top, stayed 'normal'' )
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PostSubject: Re: Hans Niemann breaks the World Champion and Magnus quits after his Loss.    Hans Niemann breaks the World Champion and Magnus quits after his Loss.  EmptyWed Sep 07, 2022 2:52 am

mwyoung wrote:
Here are the facts. There is zero evidence Hans cheated. And there is zero proof.

On the other hand some of the top players benefit from the inuendo like we have seen, and trying to tarnish the young upstart Hans. Because as we know there is only so much room and money to be made at the top level of the chess profession. And if a new player comes in, that means one older player must come out.

Hans Niemann breaks the World Champion and Magnus quits after his Loss.  A0dc5c10

I have lost all respect for GM Nakamura, and GM Carlsen. It is criminal what GM Nakamura, and GM Carlsen are doing to this young Grandmaster. And it seems GM Carlsen had GM Hans Niemann banned for no reason from the Chess.com site today. Whom GM Carlsen is now in partnership with, and will be playing only on the Chess.com chess playing platform.

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