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 GM Magnus Carlsen Officially said GM Hans Niemann Cheated in this Game. What does the computer say?

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PostSubject: GM Magnus Carlsen Officially said GM Hans Niemann Cheated in this Game. What does the computer say?   GM Magnus Carlsen Officially said GM Hans Niemann Cheated in this Game. What does the computer say? EmptyTue Sep 27, 2022 5:56 am

[pgn][Event "Sinquefield Cup"]
[Site "Saint Louis, MO USA"]
[Date "2022.09.04"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Magnus Carlsen"]
[Black "Hans Moke Niemann"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "E20"]
[WhiteElo "2861"]
[BlackElo "2688"]
[PlyCount "114"]
[EventDate "2022.09.01"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. g3 O-O 5. Bg2 d5 6. a3 Bxc3+ 7. bxc3 dxc4 {Flaming Titz 230822 AVX2:} 8. Nf3 c5 9. O-O cxd4 10. Qxd4 Nc6 {OK} 11. Qxc4 {OK} e5 {OK} 12. Bg5 {OK} h6 13. Rfd1 Be6 {Best (Easy)} 14. Rxd8 {OK} Bxc4 {Best (Easy)} 15. Rxa8 {OK} Rxa8 16. Bxf6 {OK} gxf6 17. Kf1 {Inaccurate} Rd8 {Inaccurate} 18. Ke1 {Best} Na5 19. Rd1 {OK} Rc8 {OK} 20. Nd2 {OK} Be6 {OK} 21. c4 Bxc4 {Inaccurate} 22. Nxc4 Rxc4 23. Rd8+ {OK} Kg7 {OK} 24. Bd5 {OK} Rc7 {OK} 25. Ra8 a6 {OK} 26. Rb8 f5 {OK} 27. Re8 e4 28. g4 {Mistake (0.Cool} (28. Rd8 $15) 28... Rc5 $17 {OK} 29. Ba2 {Inaccurate} Nc4 {Mistake (1.4)} (29... fxg4 $19) 30. a4 $2 {Loses game (2.2)} (30. Bxc4 $15) 30... Nd6 $1 $19 {Strong} 31. Re7 $2 {Mistake (1.9)} (31. Rd8) 31... fxg4 {Mistake (1.9)} (31... Rc2 $142) 32. Rd7 $19 {Best} e3 {OK} 33. fxe3 {Best} Ne4 {OK} 34. Kf1 {Best} Rc1+ $2 {Mistake (1.6)} (34... Rf5+ $19) 35. Kg2 $15 {Best (Easy)} Rc2 {OK} 36. Bxf7 {Best (Easy)} Rxe2+ {OK} 37. Kg1 {Best (Easy)} Re1+ 38. Kg2 Re2+ 39. Kg1 {Best (Easy)} Kf6 40. Bd5 Rd2 41. Rf7+ {Best} Kg6 {Best (Easy)} 42. Rd7 $2 (42. Re7 $17) 42... Ng5 $19 43. Bf7+ Kf5 44. Rxd2 Nf3+ 45. Kg2 Nxd2 46. a5 {[#]} Ke5 $1 47. Kg3 {[#]} Nf1+ $1 48. Kf2 Nxh2 49. e4 Kxe4 50. Be6 Kf4 51. Bc8 Nf3 52. Bxb7 Ne5 (52... Nd4 $142) 53. Bxa6 Nc6 54. Bb7 Nxa5 55. Bd5 h5 56. Bf7 h4 {Black mates} 57. Bd5 Ke5 {Strong:   Black=1 Best:   White=9, Black=3 OK:   White=9, Black=13 Inaccurate:   White=2, Black=2 Mistake:   White=2, Black=3 Loses game:   White=1.  Weighted Error Value: White=1.07/Black=0.29 Centipawn loss: w=82/b=24} 0-1

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The computer sees zero red flags in this game. A GM will normally have a error rate between .30 to .10 for GM Magnus Carlsen and the very best player in the world. This would be a throw away game. If you are looking for a cheating pattern.

Strongest moves played: Black = 1
Best moves played: White = 9, Black = 3
Ok moves played: White = 9, Black = 13
Inaccurate moves played: White = 2, Black = 2
Mistakes: White = 2, Black =3
Loses game Mistakes: White =1
Weighted Error Value: White = 1.07, Black = .29

The only thing notable about this game is GM Magnus Carlsen error rate of 1.07. The worst error rate I have seen GM Carlsen play.
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Which GUI (util) produces this kind of info?
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Admin wrote:
Which GUI (util) produces this kind of info?

Chessbase 16 with centipawn analysis.

It is there latest version of "cheat detection"
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GM Magnus Carlsen Officially said GM Hans Niemann Cheated in this Game. What does the computer say? Mc10

So the unspoken finally has been spoken.

And with zero evidence.
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Admin wrote:
GM Magnus Carlsen Officially said GM Hans Niemann Cheated in this Game. What does the computer say? Mc10

So the unspoken finally has been spoken.

And with zero evidence.

Yes,

The funniest thing is GM Magnus Carlsen asking GM Hans Niemann for permission to defame him even more without suing him.

This after dropping nukes on GM Hans Niemann's head since this game was played. lol!

And GM Magnus Carlsen did give evidence.....HIS FEELINGS!
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Here are GM Carlsen's other 2 games played before quitting to compare, and the play of the other players.

And take a close look at the games and error rates of the players.

Did GM Magnus Carlsen fall into the classic error of Confirmation Bias, or did GM Magnus Carlsen intentionally lose the game to accused GM Hans Niemann of cheating?

[pgn][Event "Sinquefield Cup"]
[Site "Saint Louis, MO USA"]
[Date "2022.09.02"]
[Round "1"]
[White "M Carlsen"]
[Black "I Nepomniachtchi"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D35"]
[WhiteElo "2861"]
[BlackElo "2792"]
[PlyCount "85"]
[EventDate "2022.09.01"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 d5 4. cxd5 exd5 5. Nc3 c6 {Flaming Titz 230822 AVX2:} 6. Bf4 Bf5 7. e3 Nbd7 8. h3 Be7 9. g4 Be4 10. Be2 {Inaccurate} Qb6 {Inaccurate} 11. Qb3 Qxb3 {OK} 12. axb3 Bg6 {Inaccurate} 13. Nh4 {OK} Bb4 {Inaccurate} 14. Nxg6 {Inaccurate} hxg6 15. f3 Nf8 {OK} 16. Kf2 {OK} Ne6 {OK} 17. Bg3 {OK} Ke7 18. h4 a6 {OK} 19. Kg2 Rad8 20. Bf2 Bd6 21. Bd3 Bb8 {Inaccurate} 22. Na4 Bd6 23. Be1 {OK} c5 {Inaccurate} 24. Nxc5 {Inaccurate} Nxc5 {Inaccurate} 25. dxc5 Bxc5 26. Bd2 Rhe8 27. b4 {OK} Bb6 {OK} 28. b5 $1 {Strong} a5 {OK} 29. Bxa5 {Best} Bxa5 30. Rxa5 Kd6 {[#]} 31. Kf2 {OK} Re7 $2 {Loses game (2.2)} (31... Ra8 $16) 32. Rd1 {Inaccurate} Rh8 {Mistake (1.5)} (32... Rc7 $142) 33. g5 Nd7 {OK} 34. Ra4 {Inaccurate} Nc5 {[#]} 35. Rg4 {OK} Kc7 $2 {Mistake (2.5)} (35... Nxd3+) 36. Bb1 $18 {Best} Re5 37. Ba2 f6 38. gxf6 gxf6 39. Rxd5 Rxd5 40. Bxd5 Nd3+ 41. Kg3 Ne5 42. Rf4 Rd8 43. b6+ {Strong:   White=1 Best:   White=2 OK:   White=7, Black=7 Inaccurate:   White=5, Black=6 Mistake:   Black=2 Loses game:   Black=1.  Weighted Error Value: White=0.14/Black=0.35 Centipawn loss: w=15/b=37} 1-0

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[pgn][Event "Sinquefield Cup"]
[Site "Saint Louis, MO USA"]
[Date "2022.09.03"]
[Round "2"]
[White "L Aronian"]
[Black "M Carlsen"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "E11"]
[WhiteElo "2759"]
[BlackElo "2861"]
[PlyCount "72"]
[EventDate "2022.09.01"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 Bb4+ 4. Bd2 Bxd2+ 5. Qxd2 d5 6. Nc3 O-O {Flaming Titz 230822 AVX2:} 7. e3 Qe7 8. Rc1 dxc4 9. Bxc4 c5 {OK} 10. dxc5 {OK} Rd8 {OK} 11. Qe2 Qxc5 12. O-O {OK} Nc6 {OK} 13. Bb3 {Inaccurate} Qa5 {OK} 14. Qc4 Ne5 {OK} 15. Nxe5 {OK} Qxe5 16. Bd1 Bd7 {OK} 17. Bf3 {OK} Rac8 {OK} 18. Qb4 {OK} b6 {OK} 19. Rfd1 Qc5 20. Qxc5 Rxc5 21. Ne4 Nxe4 {OK} 22. Bxe4 Rxc1 23. Rxc1 Rc8 {OK} 24. Rxc8+ {OK} Bxc8 25. f4 {OK} h6 26. Kf2 Kf8 {OK} 27. Ke1 {OK} Ke7 {OK} 28. Kd2 {Dead Draw. OK} Kd6 {OK} 29. g3 {OK} e5 {OK} 30. a3 {OK} f6 31. Kc3 Kc5 32. b4+ Kd6 {OK} 33. Kc4 {OK} Ba6+ {OK} 34. Kc3 {OK} Bc8 35. Kc4 Ba6+ {OK} 36. Kc3 {OK} Bc8 {OK:   White=14, Black=17 Inaccurate:   White=1.  Weighted Error Value: White=0.05/Black=0.02 Centipawn loss: w=5/b=2} 1/2-1/2

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