Results of the top ten strongest engines tourney at CCRL

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Mclane wrote:: I remember Bronstein playing a game against Chess Systel Tal.
He had white at the Aegon tournament and we said hello and i pressed his clock.
Then he considered at least 30 minutes before he made his first move.

When the game was over i asked him why he thought for so long. And he said he was thinking which opening he could choose to beat the program the best.

[pgn] [Event "AEGON Chess Tournament"]
[Site "The Hague NED"]
[Date "1997.04.22"]
[Round "5"]
[White "David Bronstein"]
[Black "CHESS SYSTEM TAL"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteTitle "GM"]
[WhiteElo "2435"]
[WhiteCountry "RUS"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 g6 3. c4 Bg7 4. Nc3 d5 5. Qb3 dxc4 6. Qxc4 O-O 7. e4 Na6 8.
Be2 c5 9. d5 e6 10. O-O exd5 11. exd5 Bf5 12. a3 Re8 13. Bf4 Ne4 14. Nb5
Bxb2 15. Rab1 Qf6 16. Be3 Red8 17. g4 Bxg4 18. Qxe4 Bf5 19. Qc4 Bxb1 20.
Rxb1 Rd7 21. d6 Re8 22. Qd5 Be5 23. Nxe5 Qxe5 24. Rd1 Qxd5 25. Rxd5 Re6 26.
Kf1 f6 27. h4 Kf8 28. Bg4 f5 29. Bf3 Kg8 30. Bf4 Re8 31. Nc7 Rc8 32. Nxa6
bxa6 33. Rd1 Kg7 34. Be5+ Kf8 35. Bd5 Rcd8 36. Be6 Ke8 37. h5 Re7 38. d7+
Rdxd7 39. Bxd7+ Rxd7 40. Re1 gxh5 41. Bd6+ Kf7 42. Bxc5 Kf6 43. Kg2 h6 44.
Kg3 Rd5 45. Bxa7 Ra5 46. Bd4+ Kf7 47. Bb2 Rc5 48. Be5 Rc2 49. f3 Rc4 50. f4 1-0[/pgn]

Opening books and the will to choose the “right” opening variation are part of chess game. In the same way as permanent brain is.

Not to allow these features is IMO not chess.

Exactly. And as testers that is how most of us test chess engines in all or most of your points.

And I have no issues in testing with ponder on. As my system was built and designed by me do this type of engine testing.

But we do not force the engines to play 50 +/- 1.00+ openings of busted chess variations. And claim this is chess engine testing.

And to be clear TCEC does not claim to be testers. They run a chess engine site for entertainment and profit.

If some take TCEC seriously as testers. That is a delusion of their own making.

And this is what got Ed so upset. Because I do not respect TCEC as testers. Ed asked for this topic, and Ed got it.

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Don't be such a bully.

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Admin wrote:: Don't be such a bully.

You have already tried pier pressure, gaslighting, and now name calling.

And the facts remain, as they are by TCEC's on words.

Only facts matter to me Ed. Not emotions.

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Mclane wrote:: I remember Bronstein playing a game against Chess Systel Tal.
He had white at the Aegon tournament and we said hello and i pressed his clock.
Then he considered at least 30 minutes before he made his first move.

When the game was over i asked him why he thought for so long. And he said he was thinking which opening he could choose to beat the program the best.

[pgn] [Event "AEGON Chess Tournament"]
[Site "The Hague NED"]
[Date "1997.04.22"]
[Round "5"]
[White "David Bronstein"]
[Black "CHESS SYSTEM TAL"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteTitle "GM"]
[WhiteElo "2435"]
[WhiteCountry "RUS"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 g6 3. c4 Bg7 4. Nc3 d5 5. Qb3 dxc4 6. Qxc4 O-O 7. e4 Na6 8.
Be2 c5 9. d5 e6 10. O-O exd5 11. exd5 Bf5 12. a3 Re8 13. Bf4 Ne4 14. Nb5
Bxb2 15. Rab1 Qf6 16. Be3 Red8 17. g4 Bxg4 18. Qxe4 Bf5 19. Qc4 Bxb1 20.
Rxb1 Rd7 21. d6 Re8 22. Qd5 Be5 23. Nxe5 Qxe5 24. Rd1 Qxd5 25. Rxd5 Re6 26.
Kf1 f6 27. h4 Kf8 28. Bg4 f5 29. Bf3 Kg8 30. Bf4 Re8 31. Nc7 Rc8 32. Nxa6
bxa6 33. Rd1 Kg7 34. Be5+ Kf8 35. Bd5 Rcd8 36. Be6 Ke8 37. h5 Re7 38. d7+
Rdxd7 39. Bxd7+ Rxd7 40. Re1 gxh5 41. Bd6+ Kf7 42. Bxc5 Kf6 43. Kg2 h6 44.
Kg3 Rd5 45. Bxa7 Ra5 46. Bd4+ Kf7 47. Bb2 Rc5 48. Be5 Rc2 49. f3 Rc4 50. f4 1-0[/pgn]

Opening books and the will to choose the “right” opening variation are part of chess game. In the same way as permanent brain is.

Not to allow these features is IMO not chess.

I agree that chess is also about using opening book.

The only list that I know that test with opening book is the ssdf rating list.

I can see that lc0 could beat stockfish15

https://ssdf.bosjo.net/nr001.htm

I could not find the relevant game when I download the ssdf data here
http://bozze.hopto.org/ssdf/games/

I could see that stockfish15 lost one game against lc0 0.28.2 simply by making a stupid blunder at the last move of the time control(move 200) and I suspect lc0 0.29 could beat it in a similiar way.

I wonder if there is one game that stockfish15 lost in the ssdf not because of the 40 move bug.

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mwyoung wrote:

Dann Corbit wrote:: Those who argue in an insulting manner have considerably weakened their arguments.
It is proof that they have run out of logical responses and must resort to an ad-hominem approach.
When you ridicule rather than reason, it shows you do not know how to debate.

No! What is insulting is making up facts, and that is being generous. Because you have no facts or knowledge on the subject. And that is insulting to me.

So get over it.... All I did was posted the facts publish by TCEC!!!

And If you are going to play the gaslighting bullshit game. Be prepared to get called on the bullshit.

Because the only people you two are arguing with is TCEC.

lol!

Do you have superior chess ability to Jeroen (2199) and GM Sadler (2694)?
If not, what gives you superior ability to calculate which openings are interesting?
Since you denigrate yourself with your responses, I have no need to stoop to that level.

These are the book exit positions, which you were not able to comment on:

Code:: r1b1k2r/pp1nbp1p/2p1pp2/q7/2BP4/P1N1PN2/1P3PPP/R2QK2R w KQkq - bm Rc1; acd 40; ce 80;
r1bq1rk1/1pp1nppp/4pn2/p2p4/2PP4/P2BPN2/1PQN1PPP/R3K2R w KQ - bm g4; acd 40; ce 123;
r1b1k1nr/ppp1qppp/3p4/2b5/2BpP3/3P4/PPP2PPP/RNBQ1RK1 w kq - bm c3; acd 40; ce 82;
rnbqk2r/pp2nppp/4p3/3pP3/P2p4/2P5/2P2PPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - bm cxd4; acd 40; ce 82;
r1bq1rk1/pp2bppp/2nppn2/8/3NP3/2N1B3/PPP1QPPP/2KR1B1R w - - bm g4; acd 40; ce 84;
r1bq1rk1/1pp1bpp1/p1n1pn1p/3p2B1/2PP3P/2N1PN2/PPQ2PP1/R3KB1R w KQ - bm Bxf6; acd 40; ce 100;
rnbqkbnr/pp1pp2p/2p3p1/5pB1/3P4/2N5/PPP1PPPP/R2QKBNR w KQkq - bm e4; acd 40; ce 94;
rn1q1rk1/p2pbppp/bp3n2/2pp4/2P1P3/1QN2NP1/PP3P1P/R1B1KB1R w KQ - bm exd5; acd 40; ce 84;
r2qkb1r/pppb1p1p/2n1pp2/8/3P4/4BN2/PPP2PPP/R2QKB1R w KQkq - bm a3; acd 40; ce 74;
r2qkbnr/2p3pp/p1pp1p2/4p2b/3PP3/2P2N1P/PP3PP1/RNBQ1RK1 w kq - bm Be3; acd 40; ce 78;
r1bqkb1r/3n1ppp/p1p1pn2/1pPp4/3P4/1PN1PN2/P4PPP/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - bm Bb2; acd 40; ce 72;
r1bqkb1r/ppp1nppp/2n1p3/3pP3/3P3P/2N5/PPP2PP1/R1BQKBNR b KQkq - bm b6; acd 40; ce -86;
r1bq2k1/pppnn1bp/3p1r2/2PPp1p1/1P2Pp2/2NN1P2/P3B1PP/R1BQ1RK1 w - - bm a4; acd 40; ce 100;
rnbqkb1r/4pppp/p1p2n2/1pPp4/3P4/2N2N2/PP2PPPP/R1BQKB1R w KQkq b6 bm Bf4; acd 40; ce 86;
r1br2k1/pp3ppp/2n1pn2/qNbp4/2P2B2/P3PN2/1PQ2PPP/2KR1B1R b - - bm dxc4; acd 40; ce -72;
rnbqk2r/p1p2ppp/1p1p1n2/4p3/4P3/2P3P1/PPP1NPBP/R1BQK2R w KQkq - bm c4; acd 40; ce 76;
r1bq1rk1/p1pnnpbp/1p1pp1p1/8/2BPP3/2N1BN2/PPPQ1PPP/R4RK1 w - - bm Bg5; acd 40; ce 82;
rnbqk2r/1p2bppp/p2ppn2/8/3NP3/2N1BQ2/PPP2PPP/R3KB1R w KQkq - bm O-O-O; acd 40; ce 100;
rnbqk2r/pp1n1ppp/4p3/2ppP3/1b1P4/2NQ4/PPP1NPPP/R1B1KB1R w KQkq - bm Qg3; acd 40; ce 86;
r1bq1rk1/2p2ppp/pn1p1b2/np2p3/3PP3/1BP2N1P/PP3PP1/R1BQRNK1 w - - bm Bc2; acd 40; ce 90;
1rbq1rk1/pppn1pbp/3p1np1/4p3/3PP3/2N1BP2/PPPQN1PP/2KR1B1R w - - bm d5; acd 40; ce 98;
rnb2rk1/1p2bppp/pq1ppn2/8/4PB2/1NN5/PPPQ1PPP/2KR1B1R w - - bm f3; acd 40; ce 86;
rn1qkb1r/pp3pp1/2p1p1b1/3pPn1p/2PP4/1P3N2/P3BPPP/RNBQ1RK1 w kq - bm Bd3; acd 40; ce 74;
r2qkb1r/pp3ppp/2p1pn2/7b/PnBPP3/2N1BN2/1P3PPP/2RQK2R w Kkq - bm h3; acd 40; ce 84;
r3k1nr/pbpq2pp/1pn1p3/3pPp2/P2P4/2P3Q1/2P2PPP/R1B1KBNR w KQkq - bm Nh3; acd 40; ce 100;
r1bqkbnr/1p3pp1/p1npp2p/8/3NP1P1/2N1B3/PPP2P1P/R2QKB1R w KQkq - bm Nxc6; acd 46; ce 87;
rnbqk2r/1p2bppp/p2ppn2/8/3NP3/2N1BQ2/PPP2PPP/2KR1B1R b kq - bm Qc7; acd 40; ce -108;
rnbq1rk1/p1p2ppp/1p1ppn2/8/2PP4/2PBP3/P3NPPP/R1BQK2R w KQ - bm e4; acd 40; ce 76;
r1bq1rk1/ppp1npb1/3p1npp/3Pp3/2P1P3/2N1BN2/PP2BPPP/R2Q1RK1 w - - bm Nd2; acd 40; ce 92;
r2qkb1r/pp1nnppp/2p1p1b1/3pP3/P2P4/5N2/1PP1BPPP/RNBQ1RK1 w kq - bm a5; acd 40; ce 100;
r1bqkb1r/pppn1ppp/3p1n2/8/3NP3/2N5/PPP2PPP/R1BQKBR1 b Qkq - bm g6; acd 40; ce -82;
r1b1qrk1/pp2p1bp/n1pp1np1/5p2/2PP4/1P3NP1/PB2PPBP/RN1QR1K1 w - - bm Nc3; acd 40; ce 78;
rnbqk2r/p2pppbp/5np1/1PpP4/7P/8/PP2PPP1/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - bm Nc3; acd 40; ce 88;
rnbqk2r/4ppbp/3p1np1/1ppP4/4P3/N4P2/PP2N1PP/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - bm Nxb5; acd 40; ce 88;
rn1qkb1r/pp3ppp/2p1pn2/4Nb2/2BP4/2N5/PPP3PP/R1BQK2R w KQkq - bm g4; acd 40; ce -90;
r1b1k2r/1pq1bppp/p1nppn2/8/3NPP2/P1N1BQ2/1PP3PP/2KR1B1R b kq - bm O-O; acd 40; ce -84;
rnbqkb1r/ppp1pppp/8/3n4/3P4/8/PP2PPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - bm Nf3; acd 40; ce 103;
rnbq1rk1/pp4bp/3ppnp1/2p5/2P1PPP1/2N5/PP2B2P/R1BQK1NR b KQ - bm Nc6; acd 40; ce 86;
rnb1k2r/pp3ppp/3ppn2/q1pP4/2P1P3/2P2P2/P5PP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - bm Ne2; acd 40; ce 78;
r2qkb1r/pb3p2/1n2pP2/1ppP2B1/2p5/2N3P1/PP3P1P/R2QKB1R w KQkq - bm Qg4; acd 40; ce 86;
1rbqr1k1/ppp1ppbp/2np1np1/6B1/2PPP3/2N2P2/PP1QN1PP/R3KB1R w KQ - bm O-O-O; acd 40; ce 86;
r1bq1rk1/ppp1n1bp/3p1np1/3Pp3/P1P1Pp2/2N1BP2/1P2B1PP/R2QNRK1 w - - bm Bf2; acd 40; ce 82;
1n1qkb1r/rp2pp1p/p1p1bnp1/2PpN3/3P4/1QN1P3/PP1B1PPP/R3KB1R b KQk - bm Bg7; acd 40; ce -80;
r1b1kb1r/pp1n1ppp/2n1p3/q2pP3/NP1p1P2/2P1BN2/P5PP/R2QKB1R b KQkq - bm Qc7; acd 46; ce -48;
r1bq1rk1/pp1nbppp/3p1n2/2pPp3/2P1P3/2N2NP1/PP3PBP/R1BQK2R b KQ - bm Nh5; acd 40; ce -102;
rnbq1rk1/pp3pbp/2pp1np1/4p1B1/2PPP3/2N2P2/PP1Q2PP/R3KBNR w KQ - bm d5; acd 40; ce 92;
2kr1b1r/1b1n1ppp/p2ppn2/qp4B1/3NP3/1BN5/PPPQ1PPP/2KRR3 w - - bm a3; acd 40; ce 106;
r1bqkb1r/ppnnpppp/8/2p5/8/1QN3P1/PP1PPPBP/R1B1K1NR w KQkq - bm Nf3; acd 40; ce 82;
r1b1qrk1/ppp2pbp/3p1np1/2nPp1B1/2P1P1P1/2N2N1P/PP3P2/R2QKB1R w KQ - bm Nd2; acd 40; ce 92;
r3r1k1/2qbbppp/p2p1n2/nppPp3/4P3/1PP2N1P/P1B2PP1/RNBQR1K1 w - - bm Be3; acd 40; ce 94;
r1bq1rk1/1p2ppbp/p1np1np1/8/2BNP3/2N1BP2/PPPQ2PP/R3K2R w KQ - bm O-O-O; acd 40; ce 98;
r1bq1rk1/ppp1n1b1/3p1npp/P2Ppp2/1PP1P3/2N2N2/4BPPP/R1BQR1K1 w - - bm Nd2; acd 40; ce 88;
rnbq1rk1/ppp1ppb1/3p1npp/6B1/2PPP3/2N4P/PP3PP1/R2QKBNR w KQ - bm Be3; acd 40; ce 72;
r1bqkbnr/1p3pp1/p1npp2p/8/3NP1PP/2N5/PPP2P2/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - bm Nxc6; acd 49; ce 77;
r1bqk1nr/pppp1pp1/2n4p/2b1p3/2BPP3/5N2/PPP2PPP/RNBQ1RK1 b kq - bm exd4; acd 40; ce -94;
rn1qr1k1/1bpp1pbp/pp3np1/3P4/3N4/2N3P1/PP2PPBP/R1BQ1RK1 w - - bm b4; acd 40; ce 92;
r1bq1rk1/4bppp/p1pp1n2/np2p3/4P3/2P2N1P/PPBP1PP1/RNBQR1K1 w - - bm d4; acd 40; ce 82;
r1bqk2r/2p1ppb1/p1np1np1/1p5p/3PP2P/2N1BP2/PPPQ2P1/2KR1BNR w kq - bm Nh3; acd 40; ce 98;
r1bqk2r/1ppp1pp1/p1n2n2/2b1p3/4P2p/2NP2PP/PPP1NPB1/R1BQK2R w KQkq - bm g4; acd 40; ce 68;
r2qrbk1/1b3p2/p2p1npp/1ppP4/Pn2P3/5N1P/1P1N1PP1/RBBQR1K1 w - - bm Nf1; acd 56; ce 90;
r1b1k1nr/ppp2ppp/2n5/3q4/3P4/4P3/P2B1PPP/R2QKBNR b KQkq - bm Nf6; acd 40; ce -82;
2rq1rk1/pp1bppbp/3p1np1/4n3/3NP3/1BN1BP2/PPPQ2PP/1K1R3R b - - bm Re8; acd 49; ce -71;
r1bq1rk1/pppnppbp/3p1npB/8/3PP3/2N5/PPPQ1PPP/R3KBNR w KQ - bm O-O-O; acd 40; ce 74;
rn1qkb1r/pp2pppp/2p5/3pPb2/4n3/5N2/PPPPNPPP/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - bm Nfd4; acd 40; ce 101;
r1bq1rk1/ppp1p1b1/5npp/3Ppp2/2P5/1QN3P1/PP2PPBP/R1B2RK1 w - - bm Bd2; acd 40; ce 82;
rnbqkb1r/pp2pp2/2p2p2/7p/2BP4/8/PPP2PPP/R1BQK1NR w KQkq - bm Nf3; acd 41; ce 75;
rnb2k1r/ppq1nppp/4p3/2ppP3/3P4/P1P5/2P2PPP/R1BQKBNR w KQ - bm a4; acd 40; ce 76;
rnbqk1nr/pp3ppp/4p3/b2pP3/1p1P4/P1N5/2P2PPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - bm Nb5; acd 40; ce 76;
r1bqk2r/1ppnnpbp/p2pp1p1/8/3PP3/2PB1N2/PP3PPP/RNBQR1K1 w kq - bm a4; acd 40; ce 86;
r1bq1rk1/ppp1npbp/3p1np1/3Pp3/2P1P3/2N1BN2/PP2BPPP/R2QK2R w KQ - bm Nd2; acd 40; ce 77;
rn1q1rk1/1ppn1pbp/3p2p1/p2Pp3/2P1P1b1/2N1BN2/PP1QBPPP/R3K2R w KQ - bm h4; acd 40; ce 98;
rn2kbnr/pp1b1pp1/1qp1p2p/3pP3/3P2PP/2N1B3/PPP2P2/R2QKBNR w KQkq - bm Na4; acd 40; ce 104;
r3kbnr/pppq1ppp/2n1p3/8/3P4/2N1PP2/PP3P1P/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - bm Qb3; acd 50; ce 75;
r1bqk2r/ppp1bppp/2n5/2npP3/8/2NB1N2/PPP2PPP/R1BQ1RK1 w kq - bm Bb5; acd 40; ce 99;
r1bqkb1r/1p3pp1/p1nppn2/7p/3NP1PP/2N1B3/PPP2P2/R2QKBR1 w Qkq - bm gxh5; acd 66; ce 75;
rn1qkb1r/pb1p2pp/4pn2/1Pp5/8/5N2/PP2PPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - bm Bf4; acd 40; ce 84;
rnbq1rk1/p1p1ppbp/1p1p1np1/8/3PPP2/2N2N2/PPPB2PP/R2QKB1R w KQ - bm Bd3; acd 40; ce 106;
r1bqkb1r/pp2pppp/2n2n2/2pp4/3P1P2/2PBP3/PP4PP/RNBQK1NR b KQkq - bm Bg4; acd 40; ce 76;
rnbqkbnr/pp4pp/2p1p3/3p4/2PP2Q1/2N1P3/PP3P1P/R1B1KBNR b KQkq - bm Nf6; acd 40; ce -88;
rnbqk2r/ppp1bppp/4pn2/8/8/1PN5/PBPPQPPP/R3KBNR w KQkq - bm O-O-O; acd 40; ce 88;
r1b2rk1/ppqnbppp/2pp1n2/4p3/2PPP3/2N2N2/PPQ1BPPP/R1B2RK1 w - - bm h3; acd 40; ce 93;
r1b1kb1r/pp3ppp/1qnppn2/8/4P3/1NN3P1/PPP2P1P/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - bm Bf4; acd 40; ce 98;
rnbq1rk1/pp3pbp/3ppnp1/2pP4/2P1P1PP/2N5/PP2BP2/R1BQK1NR b KQ - bm exd5; acd 40; ce 58;
r2qkb1r/p1pp1p1p/1pn1pnp1/8/2PP4/P1N2P2/1PQ2PPP/R1B1KB1R w KQkq - bm Be3; acd 40; ce 78;
rnbqkb1r/pp1p1pp1/4pn1p/8/3pP2B/8/PPPN1PPP/R2QKBNR w KQkq - bm e5; acd 40; ce 58;
rnbq1rk1/1pp1b1pp/3ppn2/p4p2/1PPP4/5NP1/P3PPBP/RNBQ1RK1 w - - bm b5; acd 40; ce 82;
r1bq1rk1/ppp1npbp/3p2p1/3Pp3/2P1Pn2/2N2N2/PP1BBPPP/R2QR1K1 w - - bm Bf1; acd 40; ce 82;
r1bq1rk1/ppp1p1bp/2np2p1/5p1n/2PP1B2/1QN1PN2/PP2BPPP/R3K2R w KQ - bm Rd1; acd 40; ce 64;
r1b1k2r/pppp1ppp/2n5/3QP3/2P2Bn1/q1P2N2/P3PPPP/R3KB1R w KQkq - bm Rb1; acd 40; ce 76;
r2qkb1r/1b1n1pp1/p2ppn1p/1p6/3NP1P1/2N1BP2/PPPQ3P/2KR1B1R w kq - bm h4; acd 48; ce 104;
rnbqk2r/3nbppp/p2pp3/1p6/3NP1P1/2N1BP2/PPPQ3P/R3KB1R w KQkq - bm O-O-O; acd 40; ce 94;
rnbqk2r/ppp1p1b1/3p1npp/5p2/3P1B1P/2N1PQ2/PPP2PP1/R3KBNR w KQkq - bm Qg3; acd 40; ce 80;
rnbqk2r/p4ppp/2p1pn2/1p4B1/PbpPP3/2N2N2/1P3PPP/R2QKB1R w KQkq - bm e5; acd 40; ce 75;
rnbq1knr/p1p2ppp/1p2p3/3pP3/1b1P2Q1/2N5/PPP2PPP/R1B1KBNR w KQ - bm h4; acd 40; ce 86;
rn1q1rk1/pbppbppp/1p2pn2/8/2PP4/P1NBP3/1P2NPPP/R1BQK2R w KQ - bm e4; acd 40; ce 90;
rnbqkbnr/pp3ppp/4p3/3p4/2pPP3/5N2/PPPN1PPP/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - bm c3; acd 40; ce 86;
r1bq1rk1/1p2bppp/p2ppn2/n7/3NP3/1BN1B3/PPP1QPPP/2KR3R w - - bm g4; acd 40; ce 88;
rnbqkbnr/pppp1ppp/8/8/4Pp2/5Q2/PPPP2PP/RNB1KBNR b KQkq - bm Nc6; acd 55; ce 89;
r2qkb1r/ppp1pppp/1nn5/3bP3/3P4/2NBB3/PP3PPP/R2QK1NR w KQkq - bm Nxd5; acd 40; ce 96;
r3r1k1/2qbbppp/p2p1n2/nppPp3/4P3/2P2N1P/PPBN1PP1/R1BQR1K1 w - - bm b3; acd 40; ce 96;
rnbq1rk1/pp3pb1/3p1npp/2pPp3/2P4B/2N5/PP1NPPPP/R2QKB1R w KQ e6 bm e3; acd 40; ce 97;
rn1qkb1r/pp1b1ppp/3p1n2/4p3/3QP3/1PN5/PBP2PPP/R3KBNR w KQkq - bm Qe3; acd 40; ce 88;
rn1qkbnr/ppp1pppp/3p4/8/2PP4/5P2/PP3PPP/RNBQKB1R b KQkq - bm g6; acd 40; ce -98;
r1b2rk1/ppp1qppp/2n1pn2/3p4/1bPP4/5NP1/PP1BPPBP/RN1Q1RK1 w - - bm Bg5; acd 40; ce 78;
rnb1kb1r/1pq2ppp/p2ppn2/8/3NP1P1/2N1BP2/PPP4P/R2QKB1R b KQkq - bm b5; acd 40; ce -88;
r1bq1rk1/1pp1ppbp/2np1np1/p7/2PPP3/2N1BP2/PP2N1PP/R2QKB1R w KQ - bm Qd2; acd 40; ce 86;
rnbqkb1r/ppp2ppp/3p4/4P3/2P1P1n1/8/PP3PPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - bm Be2; acd 51; ce 98;
r1bqkbnr/ppp3pp/3p4/3Pnp2/2P1p3/2N2NP1/PP2PP1P/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - bm Nd4; acd 40; ce 110;
rnbqk2r/ppp1ppbp/1n4p1/3pP1N1/3P4/1B6/PPP2PPP/RNBQK2R w KQkq - bm f4; acd 40; ce 78;
rnb2rk1/ppp2pbp/3p2p1/3Pp3/2P1P2Q/2N1nP2/PP5P/R3K1NR w KQ - bm Qf2; acd 40; ce 99;
rnnqkb1r/ppp2ppp/4p3/2PpP3/3P4/4BP2/PP2BP1P/RN1QK2R w KQkq - bm h4; acd 40; ce 94;
rnbq1rk1/1pp2pbp/3p1np1/p2Pp3/2P1P3/2N1B3/PP2BPPP/R2QK1NR w KQ - bm g4; acd 59; ce 71;
rnbqk1nr/pp3pbp/3p2p1/2pPp3/2P5/2N3P1/PP2PP1P/R1BQKBNR w KQkq e6 bm h4; acd 40; ce 100;
r1bqnrk1/pp1n1pbp/2pp2p1/4p3/2PPP3/2N2NPP/PP3PB1/R1BQ1RK1 w - - bm Be3; acd 40; ce 76;
r1bq1rk1/p1pnn1bp/1p1p2p1/3Pp3/2P1Pp2/2N2P2/PP2BBPP/R2QNRK1 w - - bm Nd3; acd 40; ce 74;
r1bqk2r/p1pp1ppp/1pn1pn2/8/1bPPP3/2N2P2/PP4PP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - bm Ne2; acd 40; ce 88;
r1bq1rk1/ppn1ppbp/2pp1np1/6B1/2PPP3/2NB4/PP1QNPPP/R3K2R w KQ - bm f3; acd 40; ce 105;
rn1q1rk1/ppp1ppbp/3p1np1/8/3PPPb1/2N2N2/PPPB2PP/R2QKB1R w KQ - bm h3; acd 40; ce 72;
rn1qkb1r/pbpppp1p/1p3np1/8/2PP4/2N5/PPQ1PPPP/R1B1KBNR w KQkq - bm e4; acd 40; ce 92;
rnbq1rk1/1p3pbp/p2p1np1/2pP4/P4B2/2N1PN1P/1P3PP1/R2QKB1R b KQ - bm Ne8; acd 43; ce -50;
r3r1k1/1bpqbppp/p1np1n2/1p2p3/3PP3/1BP2N1P/PP1N1PP1/R1BQR1K1 w - - bm Nf1; acd 40; ce 72;
rn2kb1r/pp2pppp/2p2n2/q7/2BP2b1/2N2N1P/PPP2PP1/R1BQK2R b KQkq - bm Bxf3; acd 40; ce -103;
r1b1k1nr/pp1pppbp/1qn3p1/1Bp5/4P3/2P2N2/PP1P1PPP/RNBQ1RK1 w kq - bm Ba4; acd 46; ce 50;
r1bn1rk1/2q1bppp/p2p1n2/1ppPp3/4P3/2P2N1P/PPBN1PP1/R1BQR1K1 w - - bm a4; acd 43; ce 78;
rnbqk2r/ppp2pbp/3p1np1/8/3NP3/2N1B3/PPP2PPP/R2QKB1R w KQkq - bm Qd2; acd 50; ce 95;
r1bqkb1r/pp1p1ppp/2n1pn2/1Bp5/4P3/2N2N2/PPPP1PPP/R1BQK2R w KQkq - bm Bxc6; acd 40; ce 98;
r1bqr1k1/pp1nbppp/2pp1n2/4p3/2PPP3/2N2N2/PPQ1BPPP/R1B2RK1 w - - bm d5; acd 40; ce 88;
rnbq1rk1/ppp1ppbp/3p1np1/8/3PP3/2N1B3/PPPQ1PPP/R3KBNR w KQ - bm O-O-O; acd 49; ce 112;
rnb1kb1r/pp1ppppp/1q6/2pP4/7P/8/PPPBPPP1/R2QKBNR b KQkq - bm d6; acd 40; ce -88;
rnbqkb1r/pppp1ppp/6n1/8/2P2P2/4P3/PP4PP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - bm Ne2; acd 40; ce 88;
rnbqk2r/ppp1npbp/3pp1p1/8/3PPP2/2N2N2/PPP3PP/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - bm Bd3; acd 44; ce 84;
r3kb1r/pppqnppp/2npb3/4p3/2P5/2NP2P1/PP2PPBP/1RBQK1NR w Kkq - bm b4; acd 40; ce 74;
rn1qk2r/ppp1bppp/3pp3/3nP3/3P2b1/5N2/PPP1BPPP/RNBQ1RK1 w kq - bm c4; acd 51; ce 64;
r1bqkb1r/p4pp1/2p4p/n2np3/4N3/3B4/PPPP1PPP/RNBQK2R w KQkq - bm O-O; acd 50; ce 85;
rn1qkbnr/ppp2ppp/3p4/4p3/2B1P1b1/5N2/PPPP1PPP/RNBQK2R w KQkq - bm h3; acd 40; ce 78;
r1b2rk1/2q1bppp/p2p1n2/np1Pp3/4P3/5N1P/PPBN1PP1/R1BQR1K1 w - - bm Re3; acd 40; ce 96;
r4rk1/pp1bppbp/2np1np1/q7/2BNP3/2N1BP2/PPPQ2PP/2KR3R w - - bm Bb3; acd 49; ce 100;
r1bq1rk1/ppp2pb1/n2p1np1/3Pp2p/2P1P2P/2N1B3/PP2BPP1/R2QK1NR w KQ - bm f3; acd 40; ce 98;
rnbqkb1r/p1pn1ppp/1p2p3/3pP3/3P4/3B4/PPPN1PPP/R1BQK1NR w KQkq - bm c3; acd 40; ce 106;
r2qkb1r/pppnpppp/3p1n2/5b2/3P4/2N2NP1/PPP1PP1P/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - bm Nh4; acd 40; ce 62;
rnbqk2r/pppp1ppp/8/4P3/1bP1n3/5N2/PP2PPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - bm Bd2; acd 50; ce 79;
r1bq1rk1/ppp1ppbp/2n2np1/8/2BP4/2N1PN2/PP3PPP/R1BQ1RK1 w - - bm Re1; acd 40; ce 76;
r1b1kb1r/ppq2pp1/2nppn1p/8/3NP1P1/2N1B2P/PPP2P2/R2QKB1R w KQkq - bm Qd2; acd 40; ce 80;
r1b1kb1r/pp3ppp/1q1ppn2/4n3/4PB2/1NN5/PPP2PPP/R2QKB1R w KQkq - bm Be3; acd 40; ce 118;
r1bq1rk1/1p1nbppp/p2p1n2/2pPp3/2P1P3/2N2N2/PP2BPPP/R1BQ1RK1 w - - bm Kh1; acd 40; ce 116;
rnbqkb1r/ppp1pp1p/1n4p1/8/3PP3/2N5/PP3PPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - bm h3; acd 40; ce 98;
rnbqk2r/pp3pbp/3p1np1/2pPp3/2P1P3/2N5/PP2NPPP/R1BQKB1R w KQkq e6 bm h3; acd 40; ce 100;
r1bqkb1r/p2ppppp/n4n2/2pP4/1pP5/P4N2/1P2PPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - bm Nbd2; acd 40; ce 96;
rnbqk2r/p2p1ppp/4pn2/1pp5/1bPP4/2N2NP1/PP2PP1P/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - bm cxb5; acd 40; ce 84;
r1bq1rk1/pppn1ppp/2np1b2/1B2p3/3PP3/2P2N2/PP3PPP/RNBQR1K1 w - - bm Be3; acd 40; ce 88;
rnb1kbnr/pppq1ppp/4p3/3pP3/3P2Q1/2N5/PPP2PPP/R1B1KBNR w KQkq - bm Nf3; acd 47; ce 94;
r1bqkbnr/p1p2ppp/1pn1p3/3pP3/3P4/2N5/PPP2PPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - bm Nce2; acd 40; ce 96;
rnbqr1k1/ppp2pbp/3p1np1/4p3/2PPP3/2N1BN2/PP2BPPP/R2QK2R w KQ - bm d5; acd 40; ce 92;
r3k1nr/ppp2ppp/2nq4/4p3/3P4/1QP1PP2/P2B1P1P/R3KB1R b KQkq - bm Nge7; acd 42; ce -67;
rnb2rk1/ppp2pbp/3p2p1/3Pp2n/2P1P2q/2N1BP2/PP1Q2PP/R3KBNR w KQ - bm g3; acd 40; ce 98;
r2qkb1r/pppb1ppp/2np1n2/1B2p3/3PP3/2N2N2/PPP2PPP/R1BQK2R w KQkq - bm Bxc6; acd 40; ce 114;
r1bqn1k1/ppp1n1bp/3p1r2/2PPp1p1/4Pp2/2N2P2/PP2BBPP/R2QNRK1 w - - bm Nd3; acd 40; ce 78;
rnbqkb1r/pppppp1p/8/6p1/3PnB2/8/PPP1PPPP/RN1QKBNR w KQkq - bm Bc1; acd 50; ce 71;
r1bq1rk1/pp1nbppp/2pp4/4p3/2PPP1n1/2N1BN2/PP2BPPP/R2Q1RK1 w - - bm Bd2; acd 49; ce 100;
r1bq1rk1/ppn1ppbp/3p1np1/2pP2B1/2P1P3/2N5/PP1QBPPP/R3K1NR w KQ - bm a4; acd 40; ce 78;
rnbqk2r/ppppp1bp/6pn/5p2/2PP4/2N3P1/PP2PP1P/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - bm h4; acd 40; ce 82;
rnbqk2r/pppn1pp1/4p2p/3pP3/1b1P4/2N5/PPPB1PPP/R2QKBNR w KQkq - bm Qg4; acd 40; ce 94;
r1b1k1nr/ppppqppp/1bn5/4p3/2BPP3/2P2N2/PP3PPP/RNBQK2R w KQkq - bm d5; acd 50; ce 80;
r1bq1rk1/1p1nbppp/p1pp1n2/4p3/2PPP3/2N2N2/PPQ1BPPP/R1B2RK1 w - - bm Rd1; acd 40; ce 78;
r1bq1rk1/pp2ppbp/n2p1np1/2pP4/2P1P3/2N2N1P/PP3PP1/R1BQKB1R w KQ - bm Bd3; acd 40; ce 113;
r1bqk1nr/pp1p1p1p/4p1p1/1N6/1pP5/6P1/3PPPBP/b1BQK1NR w Kkq - bm Nf3; acd 40; ce -127;
rnb1kb1r/p2p1ppp/4pn2/qppP2B1/2P5/5N2/PP2PPPP/RN1QKB1R w KQkq - bm Nbd2; acd 40; ce 86;
rnbqkb1r/pp1p1p1p/5np1/2pPp3/2P5/5P2/PP2P1PP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq e6 bm e4; acd 40; ce 106;
rnbqk2r/ppp1ppbp/5np1/3P4/3P4/2N5/PP2PPP1/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - bm e4; acd 40; ce 100;
r2q1rk1/ppp1ppbp/3p1np1/n2P4/2P3b1/2N2NP1/PP2PPBP/R1BQ1RK1 w - - bm b3; acd 40; ce 102;
rn1qk2r/p1p2ppp/bp1bpn2/4N3/2pP4/1P4P1/P3PPBP/RNBQ1K1R w kq - bm Nd2; acd 51; ce 67;
r2qk2r/ppp1ppbp/2np1np1/8/2PP2b1/2N1PN2/PP2BPPP/R1BQK2R w KQkq - bm h3; acd 40; ce 76;
rnb1kbnr/p1pp1ppp/1p2p3/3P4/2P4q/8/PP2PPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - bm Nc3; acd 40; ce 82;
r2q1rk1/2pbppb1/p1np1np1/1p4Bp/2PPP1PP/2N2P2/PP1QN3/2KR1B1R b - - bm hxg4; acd 40; ce -84;
r1bqk2r/pp1nppbp/3p1np1/8/3NP3/2N1BP2/PPP3PP/R2QKB1R w KQkq - bm Qd2; acd 40; ce 94;
r2qkbnr/2p2pp1/p2p4/1p2p2p/3nP1b1/1B3N1P/PPP2PP1/RNBQ1RK1 w kq - bm hxg4; acd 50; ce 88;
r1bq1rk1/1pp1bppp/3p1n2/p1nPp3/2P1P3/2N1BP2/PP1Q2PP/R3KBNR w KQ - bm O-O-O; acd 40; ce 94;
r1bq1rk1/pp2bppp/2nppn2/8/3NPP2/2N1BQ2/PPP3PP/R3KB1R w KQ - bm O-O-O; acd 40; ce 98;
rnbqk2r/pp1n1pbp/3p2p1/1BpP4/4PP2/2N5/PP4PP/R1BQK1NR w KQkq - am Nf3; bm Nf3; acd 54; ce 40;
rnbqkbnr/ppppp2p/6p1/5p2/3P4/6P1/PPP1PP1P/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - bm h4; acd 47; ce 73;
r1bq1rk1/pppnppbp/3p1np1/8/3PPB2/2N2N2/PPPQ1PPP/R3KB1R w KQ - bm O-O-O; acd 40; ce 92;
rnbqkb1r/ppp1pp1p/6p1/3n4/3P4/5N2/PPP2PPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - bm c4; acd 51; ce 68;
rnb1kb1r/1p2qp1p/p2p1np1/2pP4/P7/2N2N1P/1P2PPP1/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - bm Nd2; acd 40; ce 86;
rnbqkbnr/ppp2ppp/4p3/3pP3/3P4/2N5/PPP2PPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - bm a3; acd 40; ce 92;
rnb1k2r/pppqnppp/4p3/3pP3/1b1P4/2N5/PPPB1PPP/R2QKBNR w KQkq - bm Qg4; acd 40; ce 100;
rnbq1rk1/1p2ppbp/2pp1np1/p7/P2PP3/2N2N2/1PP1BPPP/R1BQ1RK1 w - - bm h3; acd 40; ce 80;
r2qkb1r/1ppn1ppp/p3pn2/7b/2BP4/2N1PN1P/PP3PP1/R1BQ1RK1 w kq - bm e4; acd 40; ce 88;
rnb1k2r/1pq2pbp/p2ppnp1/8/2PNP3/2NB4/PP2QPPP/R1B2RK1 w kq - bm Be3; acd 41; ce 89;
rnbqk2r/1p1nbp2/p2pp2p/6P1/3NP2B/2N2Q2/PPP3PP/R3KB1R w KQkq - bm Qh5; acd 40; ce 90;
rnbqkbnr/ppp2ppp/8/3N4/4Pp2/8/PPPP2PP/R1BQKBNR b KQkq - bm Qh4+; acd 40; ce 90;
rn1qkb1r/ppp2ppp/3p1n2/4pb2/2PP4/2N3P1/PP2PP1P/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - bm Nf3; acd 40; ce 88;
r1bqkbnr/pppppppp/2n5/8/1P2P3/8/P1PP1PPP/RNBQKBNR b KQkq - bm Nxb4; acd 55; ce 58;
rnbqkbnr/pp1pp1pp/2p5/5pB1/3P4/8/PPP1PPPP/RN1QKBNR w KQkq - bm Nd2; acd 40; ce 88;
rnbq1rk1/pp1p1ppp/3b1n2/2pP4/4PP2/2N5/PP4PP/R1BQKBNR b KQ - bm Nxe4; acd 44; ce -58;
rnbqkb1r/pp1n1ppp/4p3/1BppP3/3P4/5N2/PPPN1PPP/R1BQ1RK1 w kq - bm c3; acd 40; ce 98;
r1b2rk1/pp1n1pbp/1qpp1np1/4p3/2PPP3/2N2NPP/PP3PB1/R1BQ1RK1 w - - bm c5; acd 51; ce 87;
r2qkb1r/pp1bpppp/2np1n2/8/3NP3/2N2PP1/PPP4P/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - bm Be3; acd 40; ce 76;
rnbqkb1r/pp2pp1p/2p2p2/8/3P4/8/PPP2PPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - bm Nf3; acd 44; ce 79;
rn1qk1nr/pbpp1ppp/1p2p3/8/1bPPP3/3B4/PP3PPP/RNBQK1NR w KQkq - bm Kf1; acd 40; ce 82;
r1bqr1k1/pp1n1pbp/3p1np1/2pP4/4P3/2NB1N1P/PP3PP1/R1BQ1RK1 w - - bm a4; acd 40; ce 94;
rn1qk2r/pbpp1pbp/1p2pnp1/8/2PP4/P1N2N2/1PQ1PPPP/R1B1KB1R w KQkq - bm e4; acd 43; ce 54;
rnb1k1nr/pppq1ppp/4p3/3pP3/1b1P4/2N5/PPP2PPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - bm h4; acd 49; ce 96;
rn1qkbnr/1bpppppp/p7/1p6/3PP3/3B1N2/PPP2PPP/RNBQK2R b KQkq - bm e6; acd 40; ce -90;
r1bqkb1r/pp1n1ppp/2pp1n2/4p3/2PPP3/2N2N2/PP3PPP/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - bm Be2; acd 54; ce 85;
r1bq1rk1/pp1nppbp/2pp1np1/8/2PPP3/2N2N2/PP2BPPP/R1BQ1RK1 w - - bm Qc2; acd 40; ce 78;
rnbqkbnr/pppp2pp/8/4Pp2/2B2p2/8/PPPP2PP/RNBQK1NR b KQkq - bm Qh4+; acd 40; ce 96;
r1bq1rk1/pp1nbppp/4p3/2p5/3PP3/2PB1N2/P4PPP/R1BQ1RK1 w - - bm Bf4; acd 40; ce 100;
rnb1qrk1/ppp2pbp/3p1np1/3Pp3/2P1P3/2N2N1P/PP3PP1/R1BQKB1R w KQ - bm g4; acd 40; ce 88;
r2qkbnr/ppp1pppp/2n5/3p4/2PP2b1/5N2/PP2PPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - bm cxd5; acd 50; ce 57;
rnbqkb1r/p1p1nppp/1p2p3/3pP3/3P4/5N2/PPP2PPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - bm h4; acd 40; ce 86;
r2q1rk1/1bpnbppp/p2p4/np2p3/3PP3/2P2N1P/PPB2PP1/RNBQR1K1 w - - bm Nbd2; acd 40; ce 90;
rnb1qrk1/ppp2ppp/3ppn2/8/2PP4/P1Q2P2/1P2P1PP/R1B1KBNR w KQ - bm e4; acd 40; ce 90;
rnr3k1/1pq1bppp/p2pbn2/4p3/4P1P1/1NN1BP2/PPPQ3P/2KR1B1R w - - bm g5; acd 45; ce 79;
rnbqkbnr/pp2pppp/2p5/7Q/4p3/1B6/PPPP1PPP/RNB1K1NR b KQkq - bm g6; acd 42; ce 94;
rnbqkbnr/p4ppp/1p2p3/2ppP3/3P4/P1N2N2/1PP2PPP/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - bm Bg5; acd 40; ce 91;
r1b1kb1r/1p1npppp/pq1p1n2/8/3NP3/2N5/PPPBQPPP/R3KB1R w KQkq - bm Nb3; acd 40; ce 82;
rnbqk2r/ppp3bp/3p2p1/3Pp2n/2P1Pp2/2N2P2/PP1Q1BPP/R3KBNR b KQkq - bm Bf6; acd 40; ce -88;
3q1rk1/pp1bppbp/3p1np1/8/2rNP2P/2N1BP2/PPPQ2P1/2KR3R w - - bm h5; acd 40; ce 98;
rnbqkbnr/p1p2ppp/1p2p3/3pP3/3P4/P1N5/1PP2PPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - bm Bd3; acd 50; ce 55;
rnbqkbnr/p1p2ppp/1p2p3/3pP3/3P4/8/PPP2PPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - bm c3; acd 50; ce 36;
r1b1kbnr/pppp1ppp/2n5/8/3NP2q/8/PPP2PPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - bm Nc3; acd 50; ce 72;
rnbqk2r/pp1p1ppp/4pn2/8/1b1NP3/2N5/PPP2PPP/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - bm e5; acd 51; ce 67;
rnb1kb1r/1pq2ppp/p2ppn2/8/2PNP3/2N5/PP2BPPP/R1BQK2R w KQkq - bm Be3; acd 40; ce 86;
r1bqkbnr/pppp2pp/2n5/4pp2/2B1P3/2N5/PPPP1PPP/R1BQK1NR w KQkq - bm d3; acd 40; ce 90;
rnbqkb1r/pp1n1p1p/4p1p1/2ppP3/3P1P2/2P5/PP1N2PP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - bm Ndf3; acd 40; ce 94;
rnbqkb1r/ppp2ppp/8/4P3/3p4/2PP1N2/P1P3PP/R1BQKB1R b KQkq - bm dxc3; acd 40; ce 96;
rn1q1rk1/ppp1ppbp/3p1np1/8/3PP1b1/2PB1N2/PP1N1PPP/R1BQK2R w KQ - bm h3; acd 40; ce 68;
rnbqr1k1/pp1p1pbp/5np1/2pP4/4P3/2NB1N2/PP3PPP/R1BQK2R w KQ - bm d6; acd 40; ce 86;
rnbqkbnr/p1pppppp/1p6/8/4P3/8/PPPP1PPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - bm d4; acd 49; ce 82;
rnbqkb1r/pp1p1ppp/5n2/2pPp3/2P5/8/PP2PPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq e6 bm Nc3; acd 52; ce 117;
rnb1k1nr/pp1pppbp/6p1/2q5/4P3/2P2N2/PP3PPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - bm Na3; acd 53; ce 86;
rnbqkb1r/pp3p1p/3p1np1/2pPp3/2P1P3/2N5/PP3PPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - bm Be2; acd 40; ce 126;
rn1qk2r/p1ppbppp/bp2pn2/8/2PP4/5NP1/PPQBPP1P/RN2KB1R w KQkq - bm e4; acd 40; ce 80;
rnb1k1nr/p1pq1ppp/1p2p3/3pP3/3P4/P1P5/2P2PPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - bm Qg4; acd 50; ce 67;
rnbqk1nr/p1p2ppp/1p2p3/3pP3/1b1P4/2N5/PPP2PPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - bm h4; acd 49; ce 91;
r1bqk2r/1p1nppbp/p2p1np1/8/3NP3/2N1BP2/PPPQ2PP/R3KB1R w KQkq - bm g4; acd 40; ce 90;
r1bqk1nr/pp1pp1bp/6p1/5p2/2BpP3/2N2Q2/PPPP1PPP/R1B1K2R w KQkq - bm Ne2; acd 40; ce 78;
rnbqk1nr/pp1pp1bp/6p1/2pP1p2/8/6P1/PPP1PPBP/RNBQK1NR w KQkq - bm h4; acd 40; ce 108;
r1bq1rk1/1pp2pbp/p1np1np1/4p3/2PPP3/2N1BP2/PP1QN1PP/R3KB1R w KQ - bm d5; acd 40; ce 84;
rn1q1rk1/1p2bppp/3pbn2/p3p3/4P3/1NN1BP2/PPPQ2PP/2KR1B1R w - - bm a4; acd 51; ce 97;
2rqkb1r/1p1bpppp/p1np1n2/6B1/3NPP2/2N5/PPPQ2PP/R3KB1R w KQk - bm O-O-O; acd 40; ce 78;
r1bqkb1r/pp3ppp/2p1pn2/8/3P4/3B1N2/PPP2PPP/R1BQK2R w KQkq - bm Qe2; acd 40; ce 84;
rnbqkb1r/ppp1pppp/1n6/8/2PP4/8/PP3PPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - bm Nf3; acd 48; ce 72;
rnbqkbnr/ppppp2p/6p1/5p2/2PP4/8/PP2PPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - bm h4; acd 40; ce 93;
r1bqk2r/ppppnpbp/2n3p1/8/4P3/2N1Q3/PPPB1PPP/R3KBNR w KQkq - bm O-O-O; acd 40; ce 78;
r2qkb1r/p1p2ppp/1pp2n2/5b2/2P1p3/2N1P3/PPQP1PPP/R1B1KB1R b KQkq - bm h5; acd 40; ce 76;
r1bqkbnr/pp3p2/2n1p1pp/3pP3/5Q1P/2N2N2/PPP2PP1/R1B1KB1R w KQkq - bm Bd3; acd 40; ce 88;
r1b1k1nr/pp2ppbp/n1p3p1/q2p4/4P3/3P1NP1/PPPNQP1P/R1B1KB1R w KQkq - bm Bg2; acd 40; ce 90;
rnbq1rk1/4ppbp/P2p1np1/2pP4/4P3/2N2N2/PP3PPP/R1BQKB1R w KQ - bm a7; acd 40; ce 82;
r1b1k1nr/ppppqppp/2n5/2b1p3/2B1P3/2P2N2/PP1P1PPP/RNBQK2R w KQkq - bm d4; acd 40; ce 101;
r1bqk2r/ppp1ppbp/2np1np1/8/3PP3/2N1B3/PPPQ1PPP/R3KBNR w KQkq - bm f3; acd 40; ce 98;
rn1qk2r/pp2bppp/2p1pn2/5b2/2PP4/2N2N2/PP2BPPP/R1BQ1RK1 w kq - bm Nh4; acd 40; ce 86;
rnbqk2r/pppp1ppp/8/2b1p3/2B1P1n1/P1N2N2/1PPP1PPP/R1BQK2R b KQkq - bm Bxf2+; acd 40; ce 82;
r1bqkb1r/pp1ppppp/2n5/2p1P3/8/2P2N2/PPP2PPP/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - bm Bf4; acd 50; ce 80;
rnbqkb1r/1p3ppp/p2p1n2/2pP4/8/2N2N2/PP2PPPP/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - bm a4; acd 40; ce 92;
rnbqkb1r/p2p1ppp/1p2pn2/2p5/2PP4/P4N2/1P2PPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - bm d5; acd 43; ce 88;
r1bqkb1r/pp1npppp/3p1n2/8/3NP3/2N5/PPP2PPP/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - bm g4; acd 40; ce 86;
r2qkb1r/pppbnp1p/3p1np1/3Pp3/2P1P3/2N2N2/PP3PPP/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - bm a4; acd 40; ce 82;
r1bqk2r/pp1nbpp1/2n1p2p/2ppP3/3P4/2PB1N2/PP1N1PPP/R1BQ1RK1 w kq - bm Re1; acd 40; ce 82;
rnbqk2r/ppp1npbp/3p2p1/3Pp3/2P1P3/2N5/PP3PPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - bm h4; acd 40; ce 96;
rnbq1rk1/pp3pbp/3p1np1/2pPp3/2P1P3/2N2P2/PP4PP/RNBQKB1R w KQ e6 bm g4; acd 40; ce 126;
rnbq1rk1/ppp2pbp/3p1np1/4p3/2PPP2P/2N5/PP2BPP1/R1BQK1NR w KQ - bm d5; acd 40; ce 84;
r3kb1r/1p1b1ppp/pqnppn2/6B1/4P3/1NN5/PPPQ1PPP/2KR1B1R w kq - bm Bf4; acd 40; ce 129;
r1bq1rk1/ppp1p1bp/2np1np1/5p2/2PP4/2N2NP1/PP2PPBP/R1BQ1RK1 w - - bm d5; acd 52; ce 63;
r1bqkb1r/pppppppp/2n2n2/8/4P3/2N5/PPPP1PPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - bm d4; acd 40; ce 64;
rn1qkbnr/pp2pppp/2pp4/8/3PP1b1/5N2/PPP2PPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - bm h3; acd 40; ce 88;
r1bqkbnr/4nppp/p2p4/1p1Np3/4P3/N7/PPP2PPP/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - bm c4; acd 54; ce 89;
rn1qkbnr/ppp2ppp/3p4/4p3/2P3b1/2N2N2/PP1PPPPP/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - bm d4; acd 50; ce 68;
r1bqkb1r/ppp1nppp/2n1p3/3pP3/3P4/2N5/PPP2PPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - bm Nf3; acd 60; ce 62;
rnbqkbnr/p2ppppp/1p6/2p5/4P3/2N5/PPPP1PPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - bm Nge2; acd 40; ce 60;
r1bqkb1r/pppnpp1p/3p1np1/8/3PP1P1/2N5/PPP2P1P/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - bm h4; acd 40; ce 74;
rnbqkbnr/pp1ppp1p/2p3p1/8/3PP3/8/PPP2PPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - bm c4; acd 48; ce 65;
r1bqk2r/ppp1ppbp/2np1np1/8/3PP3/2N1BN2/PPP2PPP/R2QKB1R w KQkq - bm h3; acd 41; ce 30;
r2qkb1r/p1pp1ppp/bpn1pn2/8/2PP4/PQ3N2/1P2PPPP/RNB1KB1R w KQkq - bm Qc2; acd 40; ce 90;
r1bqk2r/pppp1pbp/2n5/4n1p1/2P5/2N2NB1/PP2PPPP/R2QKB1R w KQkq - bm Nxe5; acd 50; ce 75;
rnbqkb1r/ppp2ppp/8/3pP2n/3P1p2/5N2/PPP1B1PP/RNBQK2R b KQkq - bm g5; acd 40; ce 94;
rnbqkb1r/p4ppp/2p1p3/1p1nP1N1/P1pP4/2N5/1P3PPP/R1BQKB1R b KQkq - bm Be7; acd 46; ce 93;
rnbqkb1r/ppp1pp1p/1n1p2p1/4P3/2PP1P2/8/PP4PP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - bm Nc3; acd 43; ce 92;
rn2kb1r/pbnpqppp/1p6/2p5/4P3/P2B1N2/1PQ2PPP/RNB2RK1 w kq - bm Bg5; acd 50; ce 76;
rnbqk1nr/pp1pppbp/6p1/2p5/3PP3/5N2/PPP2PPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - bm d5; acd 50; ce 69;
rnb1kb1r/ppq1pppp/3p1n2/8/3NP3/2N5/PPP2PPP/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - bm Bg5; acd 40; ce 74;
r1bq1rk1/ppp2pbp/n2p1np1/3Pp3/2P1P2P/2N5/PP2BPP1/R1BQK1NR w KQ - bm g4; acd 40; ce 94;
r1bq1rk1/ppp1n1bp/3p1np1/2PPpp2/1P2P3/2N5/P2NBPPP/R1BQ1RK1 w - - bm a4; acd 50; ce 67;
r1b1kb1r/p2n1ppp/1pn1p3/q1ppP3/N2P1P2/2P1BN2/PP4PP/R2QKB1R w KQkq - bm Bd2; acd 40; ce 90;
rnbq1rk1/pp1p1ppp/3b1n2/2pP4/8/2N3P1/PP2PP1P/R1BQKBNR w KQ - bm Bg2; acd 60; ce 59;
r1bq1rk1/ppp1ppbp/2np1np1/8/3PP3/2N1BN2/PPPQ1PPP/R3KB1R w KQ - bm d5; acd 40; ce 92;
rnbq1rk1/ppp1ppbp/3p1np1/7P/3PP3/2N5/PPP1BPP1/R1BQK1NR b KQ - bm Nc6; acd 40; ce -84;
r2qkbnr/pp1b1ppp/4p3/3pP3/1n1P4/3B1N2/PP3PPP/RNBQK2R w KQkq - bm Be2; acd 40; ce 92;
rnbqkbnr/pp2pp1p/2p3p1/3p4/3PP3/2N5/PPP2PPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - bm e5; acd 48; ce 102;
rnb1kb1r/2q2ppp/p2ppn2/1p6/3NPPP1/2N2Q2/PPP4P/R1B1KB1R w KQkq - bm g5; acd 40; ce 103;
r1bqkb1r/pppp3p/2nn2p1/1N2pp2/8/1B3Q2/PPPP1PPP/R1B1K1NR w KQkq - bm Qd5; acd 52; ce 53;
rnb1k2r/1pq1bppp/p2ppn2/8/3NP3/2N1B3/PPPQBPPP/R3K2R w KQkq - bm g4; acd 50; ce 89;
rn2kb1r/3ppppp/b4n2/q1pP4/8/2N5/PP2PPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - bm Bd2; acd 40; ce 82;
r1bqkb1r/pppn1p1p/3p1np1/4p3/3PP3/2N1BP2/PPP3PP/R2QKBNR w KQkq - bm g4; acd 40; ce 96;
rnbqk2r/pp2npbp/3pp1p1/2pP4/2P1P3/3B1N2/PP3PPP/RNBQK2R w KQkq - bm Nc3; acd 40; ce 92;
r1bqr1k1/pppp1pp1/2n2n1p/3N4/1bP1p3/6P1/PP1PPPBP/R1BQNRK1 w - - bm d3; acd 40; ce 82;
r2q1rk1/2pn1ppp/1p1ppn2/p5B1/2PP4/P1QBP3/1P1N1PbP/R3K2R w KQ - bm Rg1; acd 40; ce 82;
r1bq1rk1/1ppnbpp1/p3pn1p/2Pp2B1/3P4/2NBPN2/PP3PPP/R2QK2R w KQ - bm Bf4; acd 40; ce 80;
rnbqkb1r/ppp2pp1/3p1n2/7p/2P1p2N/2N3P1/PP1PPP1P/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - bm d3; acd 40; ce 90;
r1bqr1k1/2p1ppbp/p2p1np1/np4B1/2PPP2P/1PN2P2/P2QN1P1/R3KB1R w KQ - bm h5; acd 40; ce 68;

As you can see, there are about twenty with a score of more than a pawn, which seems very one sided.
But if we examine the results using LC0 (latest version 0.30.0), which is more accurate in closed opening positions using the recommended t1-768x15x24h-swa-4000000.pb.gz nodes, we get the following scores for the most lopsided positions:

Code:: rnbqkb1r/pp3p1p/3p1np1/2pPp3/2P1P3/2N5/PP3PPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - bm Be2; ce 73;
r1b1kb1r/pp3ppp/1q1ppn2/4n3/4PB2/1NN5/PPP2PPP/R2QKB1R w KQkq - bm Be3; ce 71;
r1bq1rk1/1p1nbppp/p2p1n2/2pPp3/2P1P3/2N2N2/PP2BPPP/R1BQ1RK1 w - - bm Kh1; ce 68;
rnbq1rk1/pp3pbp/3p1np1/2pPp3/2P1P3/2N2P2/PP4PP/RNBQKB1R w KQ e6 bm g4; ce 68;
rnbqkb1r/pp1p1ppp/5n2/2pPp3/2P5/8/PP2PPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq e6 bm Nc3; ce 66;
rnbq1rk1/p1p1ppbp/1p1p1np1/8/3PPP2/2N2N2/PPPB2PP/R2QKB1R w KQ - bm e5; ce 65;
r2qkb1r/pppb1ppp/2np1n2/1B2p3/3PP3/2N2N2/PPP2PPP/R1BQK2R w KQkq - bm Bxc6; ce 64;
rnbqkb1r/pp1p1p1p/5np1/2pPp3/2P5/5P2/PP2P1PP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq e6 bm e4; ce 64;
rn1qkb1r/pp2pppp/2p5/3pPb2/4n3/5N2/PPPPNPPP/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - bm Nfd4; ce 63;
r1b1k1nr/ppppqppp/2n5/2b1p3/2B1P3/2P2N2/PP1P1PPP/RNBQK2R w KQkq - bm d4; ce 63;
r1bq1rk1/pp2ppbp/n2p1np1/2pP4/2P1P3/2N2N1P/PP3PP1/R1BQKB1R w KQ - bm Bd3; ce 63;
rn2kbnr/pp1b1pp1/1qp1p2p/3pP3/3P2PP/2N1B3/PPP2P2/R2QKBNR w KQkq - bm Na4; ce 62;
rnbqkb1r/p1pn1ppp/1p2p3/3pP3/3P4/3B4/PPPN1PPP/R1BQK1NR w KQkq - bm c3; ce 62;
rnbqk2r/1p2bppp/p2ppn2/8/3NP3/2N1BQ2/PPP2PPP/2KR1B1R b kq - bm Qc7; ce -61;
rnbq1rk1/ppp1ppbp/3p1np1/8/3PP3/2N1B3/PPPQ1PPP/R3KBNR w KQ - bm O-O-O; ce 60;
r3kb1r/1p1b1ppp/pqnppn2/6B1/4P3/1NN5/PPPQ1PPP/2KR1B1R w kq - bm Bf4; ce 59;
r1bq1rk1/pp1nbppp/3p1n2/2pPp3/2P1P3/2N2NP1/PP3PBP/R1BQK2R b KQ - bm Ne8; ce -57;
rnbqk1nr/pp1pp1bp/6p1/2pP1p2/8/6P1/PPP1PPBP/RNBQK1NR w KQkq - bm h4; ce 57;
rnbqkbnr/pp2pp1p/2p3p1/3p4/3PP3/2N5/PPP2PPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - bm e5; ce 56;
rnb1kb1r/2q2ppp/p2ppn2/1p6/3NPPP1/2N2Q2/PPP4P/R1B1KB1R w KQkq - bm g5; ce 56;
r1bq1rk1/ppn1ppbp/2pp1np1/6B1/2PPP3/2NB4/PP1QNPPP/R3K2R w KQ - bm f3; ce 56;
r1bqk1nr/pp1p1p1p/4p1p1/1N6/1pP5/6P1/3PPPBP/b1BQK1NR w Kkq - bm Nf3; ce -56;
2kr1b1r/1b1n1ppp/p2ppn2/qp4B1/3NP3/1BN5/PPPQ1PPP/2KRR3 w - - bm a3; ce 55;
rnbqkb1r/ppp1pppp/8/3n4/3P4/8/PP2PPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - bm Nf3; ce 55;
r1bqkbnr/ppp3pp/3p4/3Pnp2/2P1p3/2N2NP1/PP2PP1P/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - bm Nd4; ce 52;
r2q1rk1/ppp1ppbp/3p1np1/n2P4/2P3b1/2N2NP1/PP2PPBP/R1BQ1RK1 w - - bm b3; ce 52;
r1bq1rk1/1pp1nppp/4pn2/p2p4/2PP4/P2BPN2/1PQN1PPP/R3K2R w KQ - bm Rc1; ce 50;
r2qkb1r/1b1n1pp1/p2ppn1p/1p6/3NP1P1/2N1BP2/PPPQ3P/2KR1B1R w kq - bm h4; ce 48;
rn2kb1r/pp2pppp/2p2n2/q7/2BP2b1/2N2N1P/PPP2PP1/R1BQK2R b KQkq - bm Qh5; ce -42;

So we are not 'playing at pawns odds'.

For the most part, these openings are popular.
I have 1,821,984 distinct unique combinations of position + player in my chess database.
As an example, Wesley So has played 21 of these openings in his games.

So I ask, out of curiosity, what exactly are your qualifications to know how to construct opening books better than Jeroen Noomen and Matthew Sadler?

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Here is a link to the opening book termination points with full analysis and comments:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VeD4eDJpSdpkDcffqIyoFjcoz5QLwIlb/view?usp=sharing

Thanks Dann, looks good.

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Dann Corbit wrote:: So I ask, out of curiosity, what exactly are your qualifications to know how to construct opening books better than Jeroen Noomen and Matthew Sadler?

It depends on your goal. For TCEC's purpose, they might be as good as anyone else. Nelson was also in charge of the book at some point, surely he also met the criteria. What I contend is the very essence of said goal.

Well, I am currently testing the 300 TCEC positions, 3000 games, so far everything looks the same as my standard balanced opening sets I have in use.

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Admin wrote:: Well, I am currently testing the 300 TCEC positions, 3000 games, so far everything looks the same as my standard balanced opening sets I have in use.

What is the meaning that it is the same as your standard balanced opening sets?

Does it mean that percentage of the side that has the advantage in the initial position based on evaluation is the same?

Note that without looking at the positions I know that there may be some TCEC positions that black is better in the initial position and this is the reason that I ask about percentage of the better side and not percentage of white.

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Uri Blass wrote:

Admin wrote:: Well, I am currently testing the 300 TCEC positions, 3000 games, so far everything looks the same as my standard balanced opening sets I have in use.

What is the meaning that it is the same as your standard balanced opening sets?

Does it mean that percentage of the side that has the advantage in the initial position based on evaluation is the same?

Note that without looking at the positions I know that there may be some TCEC positions that black is better in the initial position and this is the reason that I ask about percentage of the better side and not percentage of white.

In these positions black is better:

Code:: rn1qkb1r/pp3ppp/2p1pn2/4Nb2/2BP4/2N5/PPP3PP/R1BQK2R w KQkq - acd 40; bm g4; cce -176; ce -90; c4 "Brun, Jorge Humberto; pm=O-O; 0-1"; pm O-O {26} g4 {11}; pv g4 Nfd7 gxf5 Qh4+ Kf1 Nxe5 Be2 Qh3+ Ke1 Be7 Bf4 Ned7 fxe6 Qxe6 Kd2 O-O Bd3 Na6 a3 Rae8 Qf1 Qf6 Be3 Nb6 Qg2 Qh4 Raf1 Nc7 Rf4 Qh5 h4 Ncd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 Rg4 Qxg2+ Rxg2 Bf6 Rf1 Re6 h5 g6 c3 Nd5 Bf4 Kg7 Kc2 Nxf4 Rxf4 Bd8 b4 Rf6 Rxf6 Bxf6 a4 Be7 a5 a6 Bf5 Kh6 hxg6 hxg6 Rh2+ Kg7 Rg2 Bd6 Kb3 Kh6 Bd7 Rd8; white_wins 36; black_wins 104; draws 32; Opening Blackmar Diemer gambit; D00; 1. d4 d5 2. e4 dxe4 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. f3 exf3 5. Nxf3 Bf5 6. Ne5 c6 7. Bc4 e6;
rnbq1rk1/pp4bp/3ppnp1/2p5/2P1PPP1/2N5/PP2B2P/R1BQK1NR b KQ - acd 40; bm Nc6; cce 173; ce 86; c4 "Koponen, Erkki; pm=Nc6; 0-1"; pm Nc6 {4} d5 {1}; pv Nc6 h4 Nd4 h5 b5 hxg6 Bb7 cxb5 hxg6 Qd3 a6 g5 Nh5 Bxh5 gxh5 Nge2 Qe8 Nxd4 cxd4 Nd1 Qxb5 Qxb5 axb5 Nf2 d3 Rxh5 Ra4 Rh3 Bxe4 Nxe4 Rxe4+ Kf1 Be5 Rxd3 Bxf4 Bxf4 Rfxf4+ Kg2 d5 Rb3 Kh7 Rxb5 Kg6 Rb8 e5 Rd1 Re2+ Kg3 Re3+ Kg2 Rg4+ Kf2 d4 a4 Rh3 Rc1 Kxg5 Rg8+ Kf5 Rf8+ Ke6 Re8+ Kd6 Re1 Rf4+ Kg2 Rh5 Rg8 Kc5 a5 Rf6 Kg3 Kc4 Rc1+ Kb3 Kg4 Rhf5; white_wins 45; black_wins 155; draws 73; Opening King's Indian Four Pawns; E77; 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f4 c5 6. d5 O-O 7. Be2 e6 8. dxe6 fxe6 9. g4;
r1bqkb1r/pp2pppp/2n2n2/2pp4/3P1P2/2PBP3/PP4PP/RNBQK1NR b KQkq - acd 40; bm Bg4; cce 132; ce 76; c4 "Abbey, William; pm=Bg4; 0-1"; pm Bg4 {53} g6 {18} e6 {4} Qb6 {3} c4 {2} cxd4 {2} h5 {1}; pv Bg4 Ne2 e6 Nd2 Bf5 Nf3 Bd6 O-O Rc8 Ng3 Bxd3 Qxd3 h5 Bd2 Qb6 Rfb1 Ne7 a4 O-O h3 Qc7 a5 Rfe8 Be1 cxd4 cxd4 Qc2 Rd1 g6 Qb5 Qc6 Qxc6 Rxc6 Rdc1 Rec8 Rxc6 Rxc6; white_wins 1163; black_wins 2540; draws 930; Opening Reversed Stonewall; D00; 1. d4 d5 2. e3 Nf6 3. Bd3 c5 4. c3 Nc6 5. f4;
rnbq1rk1/pp3pbp/3ppnp1/2pP4/2P1P1PP/2N5/PP2BP2/R1BQK1NR b KQ - acd 40; bm exd5; cce 130; ce 58; c4 "Hedman, Erik; pm=exd5; 0-1"; pm exd5; pv exd5 exd5 b5 Nxb5 Ne4 Kf1 Nd7 Kg2 f5 g5 f4 Bf3 a6 Bxe4 axb5 a4 bxc4 f3 Rb8 Ne2 Be5 Ra2 Ba6 Qc2 Qe7 Bd2 h6 Bxg6 hxg5 Bf5 c3 Nxc3 Rxf5 Qxf5 Bxc3 Qe6+ Qxe6 dxe6 Bxd2 exd7 Be3 Rd1 Bd4 hxg5 Bc4 b3 Be6 a5 Kf7 a6 Ra8; white_wins 15; black_wins 41; draws 34; Opening King's Indian; E73; 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Be2 O-O 6. g4 c5 7. d5 e6 8. h4;
rnbqkbnr/pppp1ppp/8/8/4Pp2/5Q2/PPPP2PP/RNB1KBNR b KQkq - acd 55; bm Nc6; cce 121; ce 89; c4 "Abuyen; pm=Qh4+; 1-0"; pm Nc6 {12} Qh4+ {7} d5 {4} Ne7 {1}; pv Nc6 Qxf4 Bd6 Qe3 Nf6 d4 O-O Bd3 Bb4+ c3 d5 e5 Ng4 Qd2 Ba5 Nf3 f6 e6 Qd6 a4 a6 Qc2 Qxe6+ Kd1 f5 Re1 Qg6 Bf4 Nf6 g3 Qh5 Be2 Qf7 b4 Bb6 Nbd2 h6 Kc1 Ne4 a5 Ba7 Kb2 Bd7 Nb3 Qe7 Ne5 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bb5 Bh5 b6 h4 bxa5 Nxa5 Rab8 Nb3 Rb6 Bf3 Rfb8; white_wins 198; black_wins 425; draws 212; Opening C33: KGA: Breyer Gambit;
r1bqk1nr/pp1p1p1p/4p1p1/1N6/1pP5/6P1/3PPPBP/b1BQK1NR w Kkq - acd 40; bm Nf3; cce 84; ce -127; c4 "Guo, Yu; pm=Qa4; 0-1"; pm Qa4 {10}; pv Nf3 a5 O-O d5 d4 Bc3 Bf4 Ra6 h4 dxc4 e4 f6 e5 Bd7 Nxc3 bxc3 d5 exd5 Re1 Be6 Nd4 f5 Nxe6 Rxe6 Bxd5 c2 Qf3 Rb6 Bxc4 Qd4 Qe2 Rb1 Bc1 Qc3 Bd3 Ra1 Bxc2 Ne7 Qb5+ Nc6 Rd1 O-O Bh6 Rf7 Bb1 Qb4 Qd3 Nd4 Kh2 Re7 Bd2 Qb2 Be3 Nc6 Qc4+ Kg7; white_wins 162; black_wins 94; draws 116; Opening English; A36; 1. c4 c5 2. g3 g6 3. Bg2 Bg7 4. Nc3 Nc6 5. a3 e6 6. b4 Nxb4 7. axb4 cxb4 8. Nb5 Bxa1;
rnbqkbnr/ppp2ppp/8/3N4/4Pp2/8/PPPP2PP/R1BQKBNR b KQkq - acd 40; bm Qh4+; cce -70; ce 90; c4 "Junior 8.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz; pm=Qh4+; 1-0"; pm Qh4+ {20}; pv Qh4+ Ke2 Bg4+ Nf3 Nc6 Nxc7+ Kd8 Nxa8 Ne5 Qe1 Nxf3 Qxh4+ Nxh4+ Ke1 g5 a4 Nf6 e5 f3 exf6 Bd6 Kf2 Re8 gxf3 Bxf3 d4 Bxh1 Bc4 Nf5 Bxg5 Bc6 Bxf7 Rf8 d5 Bd7 Be6 h6 Bd2 Bxe6 dxe6 Rxf6 Re1 Ke7 Ba5 Nd4+ Kg2 Rf5 Bc7 Nxe6 Bxd6+ Kxd6 Re4 Rf8 Rb4 Kc6 Rc4+ Kd5 Rb4 Rxa8 Rxb7 a6 Rb6 Rc8 c3 Rc6 Rb4 Ng5 Kg3 Nf7 Rd4+ Ke6 Re4+ Kf5 Rf4+ Kg6 Rg4+ Kf6; white_wins 171; black_wins 117; draws 58; Opening King's Gambit; C33; 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nc3 d5 4. Nxd5;
r1bqkbnr/pppppppp/2n5/8/1P2P3/8/P1PP1PPP/RNBQKBNR b KQkq - acd 55; bm Nxb4; cce 69; ce 58; c4 "Rybka Corbit v02.abk; pm=Nxb4; 1/2"; pm Nxb4 {5}; pv Nxb4 d4 d6 c3 Nc6 Bd3 e5 Nf3 Nf6 O-O Be7 h3 O-O Re1 Re8 Nbd2 h6 Nf1 Bf8 Ng3 Bd7 Rb1 Rb8 Bd2 b6 Qc2 Na5 c4 Nc6 d5 Ne7 a4 a5 Kh2 Ng6 Nf5 c6 g4 Nf4 Bxf4 exf4 N5d4 Rc8 Qb3 c5 Nb5 h5 gxh5 Nxh5 Na7 Bxh3 Qxb6 Bg4 Qxd8 Rcxd8 Ng5 Be7 Rg1 Bd7 Rb7 Bxa4; white_wins 189; black_wins 281; draws 122; Opening B00l: Nimzowitsch Defence: Wheeler Gambit;
rnbqkbnr/pppp2pp/8/4Pp2/2B2p2/8/PPPP2PP/RNBQK1NR b KQkq - acd 40; bm Qh4+; cce 61; ce 96; c4 "KomodoDragon 2978.00; pm=Qh4+; 0-1"; pm Qh4+; pv Qh4+ Kf1 f3 d4 fxg2+ Kxg2 b6 Nf3 Bb7 Nc3 Qg4+ Kf2 Be7 h4 Nc6 Bd5 O-O-O Bg5 Qh5 a4 h6 Bf4 Bb4 Ne1 Qe8 Nd3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nge7 Bf3 Na5 Bxb7+ Kxb7 Qf3+ c6 Rae1 Nd5 h5 Qe6 Reg1 Qe7 Nb4 Nxf4 Qxf4 Nc4 Rg3 a5 Nd3 Qa3 Rb1 Ka6 Rb3 Qxa4 Rg6 Qa2 Qc1 Rhg8 e6 dxe6 Rxe6; white_wins 0; black_wins 5; draws 31; Opening King's Gambit; C46; 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Bc4 f5 4. e5;
rnbqkbnr/pp2pppp/2p5/7Q/4p3/1B6/PPPP1PPP/RNB1K1NR b KQkq - acd 42; bm g6; cce -58; ce 94; c4 "Andrade, Bruno; pm=e6; 0-1"; pm g6 {9} e6 {5}; pv g6 Qh4 a5 Nc3 Bg7 Qxe4 Nf6 Qe2 Nd5 Qf3 O-O Nge2 e5 O-O Be6 d3 Re8 Rd1 Na6 Nxd5 cxd5 d4 Nb4 Ba4 Bd7 Bg5 Qxg5 Bxd7 Red8 Ba4 e4 Qg3 Qe7 a3 Na6 Qb3 Rd6 c4 dxc4 Qxc4 Nc7 Rac1 Nd5 Qb5 Rad8 Qxa5 e3 f4 Qf6 Rf1 Ra6 Qb5 Rb6 Qd3 Rxb2 Rc2 Rxc2 Bxc2; white_wins 3267; black_wins 2445; draws 606; Opening B10 Caro-Kann Defense: Hillbilly Attack, Schaeffer Gambit;
rnbqkb1r/ppp2ppp/8/4P3/3p4/2PP1N2/P1P3PP/R1BQKB1R b KQkq - acd 40; bm dxc3; cce 53; ce 96; c4 "Abolins-Abols, Donalds; pm=Nc6; 0-1"; pm Nc6 {89} dxc3 {23} c5 {16} Bg4 {2}; pv dxc3 Rb1 Nc6 d4 Qd5 Bd3 Nb4 a3 Nxd3+ Qxd3 b6 Qxc3 Ba6 Kf2 Be7 Rd1 O-O-O a4 Bc4 a5 b5 Re1 Rhe8 Ba3 Bxa3 Qxa3 Qc6 h3 a6 Rbd1 Bd5 Qd3 Kb8 Qxh7 g6 Qh6 Qxc2+ Qd2 Qf5 Qg5 Qd7 Nd2 Re6 Nf1 Rc6 Ne3 b4 Rb1 b3 Red1 Rc3 Kg1; white_wins 1476; black_wins 2026; draws 1095; Opening Vienna Game; C03; 1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. f4 d5 4. fxe5 Nxe4 5. d3 Nxc3 6. bxc3 d4 7. Nf3;
r2qkb1r/p1p2ppp/1pp2n2/5b2/2P1p3/2N1P3/PPQP1PPP/R1B1KB1R b KQkq - acd 40; bm h5; cce 44; ce 76; c4 "IP LCZero; pm=Bd6; 1/2"; pm h5; pv h5 b3 Rh6 h3 h4 Bb2 Qd7 Ne2 Bh7 a3 Bd6 O-O-O Kf8 Kb1 Qe7 Ka2 Nd7 Nc1 c5 Ne2 Ne5 Nf4 Re8 d3 exd3 Nxd3 Nxd3 Bxd3 Bxd3 Rxd3 Rg6 f3 Qg5 Rg1 Kg8 a4 a6 Bc1 b5 cxb5 axb5 axb5 Ra8+ Kb1; white_wins 15; black_wins 23; draws 41; Opening English; A44; 1. c4 e5 2. Nf3 e4 3. Nd4 Nc6 4. Nxc6 dxc6 5. Nc3 Nf6 6. e3 Bf5 7. Qb3 b6 8. Qc2;
rnbqk2r/pppp1ppp/8/2b1p3/2B1P1n1/P1N2N2/1PPP1PPP/R1BQK2R b KQkq - acd 40; bm Bxf2+; cce 42; ce 82; c4 "KomodoDragon 2894.00; pm=Bxf2+; 1/2"; pm Bxf2+; pv Bxf2+ Ke2 Bd4 Rf1 Bxc3 bxc3 Nf6 Qe1 d6 d4 Bg4 Kf2 Bxf3 gxf3 Nbd7 Rg1 Kf8 a4 h6 f4 exf4 e5 Nh5 Ba3 Qh4+ Kg2 f3+ Kxf3 Qxh2 exd6 Qh3+ Rg3 Qf5+ Kg2 cxd6 Bxd6+ Kg8 Rf3 Qg4+ Bg3 Ndf6 Qe7 Re8 Qxf7+ Kh7 Bd3+ Ne4 Re1 Nxg3 Qf4 Qxf4 Rxf4 g5 Bxe4+ Kg7 Rg4 Nh5; white_wins 0; black_wins 5; draws 47; Opening Reversed Traxler gambit; C38; 1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. a3 Bc5 4. Nf3 Ng4 5. Bc4;
rnbqkb1r/ppp2ppp/8/3pP2n/3P1p2/5N2/PPP1B1PP/RNBQK2R b KQkq - acd 40; bm g5; cce 22; ce 94; c4 "Almere; pm=Bg4; 1-0"; pm Nc6 {6} Rg8 {6} Bg4 {4} Bb4+ {1} g5 {1} g6 {1} h6 {1}; pv g5 O-O Rg8 c3 Nc6 Qc2 h6 Ne1 Ng7 Nd2 Ne7 b4 Nef5 Nb3 Be7 a4 h5 Nd3 Kf8 a5 Rh8 Nf2 Rb8 Bd2 Kg8 Bd3 b6 axb6 axb6 Ra7 Be6 b5 Qd7 Rfa1 Nh4 Nc1 Ngf5 Ne2 Rh6 g3 fxg3 hxg3 Nf3+ Kg2 Nxd2 Qxd2 f6 Kh2 Rf8 Ra8 Rxa8 Rxa8+ Kg7 Nh3 Nxg3 Nxg3 Bxh3 Qf2 Bg4; white_wins 324; black_wins 366; draws 108; Opening King's Gambit; C03; 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e5 Nh5 5. d4 d5 6. Be2;
rnbqkb1r/p4ppp/2p1p3/1p1nP1N1/P1pP4/2N5/1P3PPP/R1BQKB1R b KQkq - acd 46; bm Be7; cce -22; ce 93; c4 "Abdulwahhab, Ahmed Abdulsattar A; pm=h6; 1-0"; pm h6 {46} Be7 {44} Bb4 {11} Bb7 {6} Nxc3 {3} b4 {2} Qd7 {2} f6 {1} Qc7 {1}; pv Be7 Nge4 b4 Nb1 Ba6 Qg4 Kf8 Nbd2 Qb6 Nc5 Bxc5 dxc5 Qc7 Qd4 c3 bxc3 bxc3 Ne4 Bxf1 Kxf1 Nd7 Nxc3 Qxe5 Qxe5 Nxe5 Nxd5 cxd5 Rb1 Ke7 Rb7+ Kf6 Bb2 Rab8 c6 Rxb7 cxb7 Kf5 Ke2 Rb8 Bxe5 Kxe5 Rb1 Kd6 a5 a6 Kd3 Kc7 Rb6 Rxb7 Rxa6 h5 Kc3 Kb8 Rd6 Ra7 Kb4 Kc7 Rb6 h4 Rb5 Rb7 Kc5 Rxb5+ Kxb5 Kb7 g3 h3 f3 g5 Kc5; white_wins 170; black_wins 150; draws 87; Opening Slav Geller gambit; D30; 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 dxc4 5. e4 b5 6. e5 Nd5 7. a4 e6 8. Ng5;

I would say that that this is not a problem because all engines play the openings and play them as both black and white. So despite the loss of white's normal small advantage, they are fair.
Also, except for one which is rarely played, they come up very often in practice as is shown from the game counts.

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Uri Blass wrote:

Admin wrote:: Well, I am currently testing the 300 TCEC positions, 3000 games, so far everything looks the same as my standard balanced opening sets I have in use.

What is the meaning that it is the same as your standard balanced opening sets?

Does it mean that percentage of the side that has the advantage in the initial position based on evaluation is the same?

Note that without looking at the positions I know that there may be some TCEC positions that black is better in the initial position and this is the reason that I ask about percentage of the better side and not percentage of white.

I guess by "looks the same" he means that the order of ranking of the engines is unchanged for this collection of openings as his other opening sets.

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Ozymandias wrote:

Dann Corbit wrote:: So I ask, out of curiosity, what exactly are your qualifications to know how to construct opening books better than Jeroen Noomen and Matthew Sadler?

It depends on your goal. For TCEC's purpose, they might be as good as anyone else. Nelson was also in charge of the book at some point, surely he also met the criteria. What I contend is the very essence of said goal.

I think there have been shifts in book goals, as evidenced by the win totals and percentages over time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Chess_Engine_Championship
Of course, some of the smaller or larger win totals could be due to random fluxuations as well since the number of games is small.

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Dann Corbit wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:

Dann Corbit wrote:: So I ask, out of curiosity, what exactly are your qualifications to know how to construct opening books better than Jeroen Noomen and Matthew Sadler?

It depends on your goal. For TCEC's purpose, they might be as good as anyone else. Nelson was also in charge of the book at some point, surely he also met the criteria. What I contend is the very essence of said goal.

I think there have been shifts in book goals, as evidenced by the win totals and percentages over time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Chess_Engine_Championship
Of course, some of the smaller or larger win totals could be due to random fluxuations as well since the number of games is small.

This site:
https://www.chessdom.com/jeroen-noomen-and-gm-matthew-sadler-announce-tcec-s21-superfinal-book-cooperation/
says the following:
"Jeroen Noomen also notes that just like in the previous three TCEC superfinals there will be a lot more risky opening lines compared to TCEC 16 and before. This is necessary to avoid an excessive number of uninteresting draws. Statistics of the previous two superfinals show that a Leela book exit of +0.30 or lower is an almost 100% certain draw. The opening book of the previous season is available for download in pgn."

Uri Blass wrote:

Admin wrote:: Well, I am currently testing the 300 TCEC positions, 3000 games, so far everything looks the same as my standard balanced opening sets I have in use.

What is the meaning that it is the same as your standard balanced opening sets?

Does it mean that percentage of the side that has the advantage in the initial position based on evaluation is the same?

Note that without looking at the positions I know that there may be some TCEC positions that black is better in the initial position and this is the reason that I ask about percentage of the better side and not percentage of white.

3000 games - TC 40/10
White wins 42.1%
Black wins 10.5%
Draws 47.4%

On this level I usually get a ~65 draw rate.

Most of the time I use the openings from Frank Q.

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[quote="mwyoung"]

Mclane wrote:: I remember Bronstein playing a game against Chess Systel Tal.

If some take TCEC seriously as testers. That is a delusion of their own making.

And this is what got Ed so upset. Because I do not respect TCEC as testers. Ed asked for this topic, and Ed got it.

You could behave a little nicer.
Seriously.
By accident others are also thinking along similar lines, so you got your point across
But your level of aggression really makes it a little hard to read your posts for me.
For most of us, dealing with chess engines is a hobby. So, e.g. -if I get kind of annoying answers I usually stop discussion.

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Dann Corbit wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:

Dann Corbit wrote:: So I ask, out of curiosity, what exactly are your qualifications to know how to construct opening books better than Jeroen Noomen and Matthew Sadler?

It depends on your goal. For TCEC's purpose, they might be as good as anyone else. Nelson was also in charge of the book at some point, surely he also met the criteria. What I contend is the very essence of said goal.

I think there have been shifts in book goals, as evidenced by the win totals and percentages over time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Chess_Engine_Championship
Of course, some of the smaller or larger win totals could be due to random fluxuations as well since the number of games is small.

I'd say the goal of the book was always to give engines playable positions, and by "playable" I mean that they would produce games people would like to watch. Raise the draw rates and people won't like that so much, so new lines replace old lines in the book, to lower it again. The content of the book changes, not the goal.

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Ozymandias wrote:

Dann Corbit wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:

Dann Corbit wrote:: So I ask, out of curiosity, what exactly are your qualifications to know how to construct opening books better than Jeroen Noomen and Matthew Sadler?

It depends on your goal. For TCEC's purpose, they might be as good as anyone else. Nelson was also in charge of the book at some point, surely he also met the criteria. What I contend is the very essence of said goal.

I think there have been shifts in book goals, as evidenced by the win totals and percentages over time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Chess_Engine_Championship
Of course, some of the smaller or larger win totals could be due to random fluxuations as well since the number of games is small.

I'd say the goal of the book was always to give engines playable positions, and by "playable" I mean that they would produce games people would like to watch. Raise the draw rates and people won't like that so much, so new lines replace old lines in the book, to lower it again. The content of the book changes, not the goal.

That could well be. The book line selection has not always had the same levels of great success. I remember one year where almost all the games were either the English or the French opening. After a while, there were a cascade of groans from the peanut gallery every time a game went French or English.
There have also been poorly tested lines that fell into a simple win, simple loss or forced draw immediately. But even so, if is not so easy to test for hardware like the TCEC contest because very few private citizens have hardware like that. I liked it better when Thorsten was running the show, but I still like the contest today. I'm not keen on it when it goes FRC, but that's none of my business and I am sure many do like it.
I usually did like Nelson's book lines and I liked chatting with Nelson online. I don't chat online anymore because I started to get bombarded with advertisements related to the content of whatever I was saying online. I don't know if that is still a problem. I miss some of the kooky characters like 'char' who frequented the early contests. Lazy Frank would also generate interesting content related to the contest in the Rybka forum, but that forum is gone now.

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I wasn't ever very active, not even during Thoresen's tenure, but at least then I followed some games. Nowadays, I don't even include the games in my DB. Can a single line be enforced? Wouldn't your opponent deviate earlier on, to get a better exit point? I always looked at games from an opening theory/Freestyle point of view, which is why I throw out most of the games I collect and I'm now looking at the ultimate challenge, which is throwing out individual moves.

Still waiting on Ed's tool to provide an efficient way to do that Cool

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Ozymandias wrote:: I wasn't ever very active, not even during Thoresen's tenure, but at least then I followed some games. Nowadays, I don't even include the games in my DB. Can a single line be enforced? Wouldn't your opponent deviate earlier on, to get a better exit point? I always looked at games from an opening theory/Freestyle point of view, which is why I throw out most of the games I collect and I'm now looking at the ultimate challenge, which is throwing out individual moves.

Glad you mentioned this.
It is one thing for programmers to improve on their internal testing by playing games with lopsided opening positions to get meaningful results on potential improvements.
But it has killed interest in TCEC IMHO. This could be one of the hottest chess tournaments around (preferably with a good commentator), even if chess programs played like 50 draws in a row.
You could market this as „chess close to perfection“. Top grandmasters would certainly have a look at every single game for a few moments.And if they’ll do, fans will do that, too.
But who besides absolute computerchess nerds cares about the games themselves in the current setup? It is enough to just look at the final ranking.

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Peter Berger wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:: I wasn't ever very active, not even during Thoresen's tenure, but at least then I followed some games. Nowadays, I don't even include the games in my DB. Can a single line be enforced? Wouldn't your opponent deviate earlier on, to get a better exit point? I always looked at games from an opening theory/Freestyle point of view, which is why I throw out most of the games I collect and I'm now looking at the ultimate challenge, which is throwing out individual moves.

Glad you mentioned this.
It is one thing for programmers to improve on their internal testing by playing games with lopsided opening positions to get meaningful results on potential improvements.
But it has killed interest in TCEC IMHO. This could be one of the hottest chess tournaments around (preferably with a good commentator), even if chess programs played like 50 draws in a row.
You could market this as „chess close to perfection“. Top grandmasters would certainly have a look at every single game for a few moments.And if they’ll do, fans will do that, too.
But who besides absolute computerchess nerds cares about the games themselves in the current setup? It is enough to just look at the final ranking.

Concerning these three hundred openings:
There are 20,341 games with those openings in the Online Masters correspondence chess database.
There are 62,249 games with those openings in the The Week In Chess database
There are 214,627 games with those openings in my Contest Games view (a collection of various contests joined together in a view)

These openings are commonly played.

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Dann Corbit wrote:: These openings are commonly played.

No, they aren't. ( Your numbers are very low, Dann - and they are not between top players).

Humans are very pragmatic creatures. Right now the Scandinavian is busted e.g.. I chose this example as it might recover and is not so clear. Unless the problems with it are solved somehow I couldn't care less about watching more games to show it ( or watch Stockfish being busted and STILL draw).

For the time being, Scandinavian games are just irrelevant for me.

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Peter Berger wrote:

Dann Corbit wrote:: These openings are commonly played.

No, they aren't. ( Your numbers are very low, Dann - and they are not between top players).

Humans are very pragmatic creatures. Right now the Scandinavian is busted e.g.. I chose this example as it might recover and is not so clear. Unless the problems with it are solved somehow I couldn't care less about watching more games to show it ( or watch Stockfish being busted and STILL draw).

For the time being, Scandinavian games are just irrelevant for me.

They are filtered for gm level. but some of the games might be old.

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when was the scandinavian busted? this seems fairly recent
https://www.chess.com/blog/Illingworth/how-carlsen-crushed-a-gm-with-the-scandinavian

Posts : 188 Join date : 2020-11-26

I read this article on the scandinavian
https://en.chessbase.com/post/is-the-3-qa5-scandinavian-busted

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