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texium wrote:
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Rebel 16 avx2 also added in other list ,played 1200games @5min+0s ,more details on website

https://ipmanchess.yolasite.com/i7-11800h.php

Gives +81Elo above Rebel 15.1 !!

Ipman.

+ 81 elo?? There is no need to retire Rebel just yet Ed... Maybe you can add another 80-100 elo so it can join the top 10 on the list?
stockfish and major engines see minimal elo gains of maybe 1 elo per patch, and they have things like FishTest where they can quick check patches and see if they're good, also they incorporate 960 games into the net which I'm guessing Rebel and CSTal don't because they don't support it ATM. I'm not en engine dev so I don't know how adding a couple hundred thousand 960 games would affect it in openings

SF patches, on the whole, give small gains, because they've already had much of the low lying fruit.

The difference between Rebel15 and Rebel16 is not patches, it's a whole different code base.

We've not tried the 960 thing. I doubt that 960 games are going to help in normal chess, maybe a bit, but nothing spectacular. 960 games in NNUE training will obviously help a lot for a 960 playing engine.

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I've found out Lc0 uses 4% 960 data which gives major boost in 960 and small boost in regular. Also stockfish uses leela data in their net
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so is CSTal going to rating list testers today?
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so is CSTal going to rating list testers today?

Soon.

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so is CSTal going to rating list testers today?

Soon.

I’m on holiday, but, no worries, Ed is networking m, so to speak.

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respectfully, can we expect a public release before Christmas
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respectfully, can we expect a public release before Christmas

Tricky one, I got flu. Also need to build a new network and I’m not sure I have all the position data for that yet.
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texium wrote:
respectfully, can we expect a public release before Christmas

Tricky one, I got flu. Also need to build a new network and I’m not sure I have all the position data for that yet.

Tststs... Chris, please, we don't call it "flu" anymore, as you know well.
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matejst wrote:
Chris Whittington wrote:
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respectfully, can we expect a public release before Christmas

Tricky one, I got flu. Also need to build a new network and I’m not sure I have all the position data for that yet.

Tststs... Chris, please, we don't call it "flu" anymore, as you know well.

Haha! Well it’s not COVID because I took the self-test for that yesterday morning and was negative. My own fault, spent last week in very cold wet snowy London, exposed to volumes of virus (compared to here, population density of zero) and inevitably picked something up for the first time in three years (usually, before COVID, I get a winter flu every year). My clinic in London says there’s a very high rate of flu infection right now, with UK GPs told they can prescribe two types of antivirals (that’s a first too), 20 GBP a course if bought privately.

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There is in the moment a very strong flu on the way that is NOT covid.
In germany the flu has 11 million patients so far !!

I guess it is either a new kind of flu, or there is a covid variation that cannot be measured with the so far known covid tests.

If we have 11. million KNOWN cases in a country with 83 million people, we have maybe even more because many people are not identified.

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CCRL division 1

Final Standings

30.0 - Stockfish 15.1 64-bit
25.0 - RubiChess 20221120 64-bit
24.5 - SlowChess Blitz 2.9 64-bit
24.0 - Berserk 10 64-bit
23.5 - Koivisto 8.0 64-bit
23.0 - Seer 2.6.0 64-bit
22.5 - Rebel 16 64-bit
20.5 - Minic 3.31 64-bit
20.0 - RofChade 3.0 64-bit
18.5 - Arasan 23.4 64-bit
16.5 - Igel 3.1.0 64-bit
16.0 - Uralochka 3.38c 64-bit

Not bad at all.

The wait is for cstal to beat them all except SF.

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the wait is also for Rebel 16b Very Happy

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Mclane wrote:
There is in the moment a very strong flu on the way that is NOT covid.
In germany the flu has 11 million patients so far !!

I guess it is either a new kind of flu, or there is a covid variation that cannot be measured with the so far known covid tests.

If we have 11. million KNOWN cases in a country with 83 million people, we have maybe even more because many people are not identified.



Also in Britain we have a really bad flu going around that isn't Covid. Seems to have a duration of longer than 5 weeks in many people. Key feature: ear infection to a greater extent than a normal flu.

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Probably a side effect coming from the vaccines



TheSelfImprover wrote:
Mclane wrote:
There is in the moment a very strong flu on the way that is NOT covid.
In germany the flu has 11 million patients so far !!

I guess it is either a new kind of flu, or there is a covid variation that cannot be measured with the so far known covid tests.

If we have 11. million KNOWN cases in a country with 83 million people, we have maybe even more because many people are not identified.



Also in Britain we have a really bad flu going around that isn't Covid. Seems to have a duration of longer than 5 weeks in many people. Key feature: ear infection to a greater extent than a normal flu.

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I had not expected the flu because Covid has taken over. But I should have because omicron is very different from the flu. Don't have a flu shot myself this year thought it was not necessary Have perpetual cold so I'm not very worried about flu yet. If you never have a cold because your immune system is very targeted, Covid is very dangerous , it slips under the radar so to speak. Because we have not built up any resistance agaist the flu in the past few years, a new flu can have the same effect (as Covid) I hope Chris gets well. Finally do get out of selfchosen isolation and then you get this. I sympathize. I am a bit younger but I'm not hoping for the Spanish flu. Killed a lot of my grandmothers family in Belgium around World War I.
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Eelco wrote:
I'm not hoping for the Spanish flu
The only thing Spanish about that flu, was the fact that the Spanish press reported about it:

https://www.history.com/news/why-was-it-called-the-spanish-flu wrote:
Spain was one of only a few major European countries to remain neutral during World War I. Unlike in the Allied and Central Powers nations, where wartime censors suppressed news of the flu to avoid affecting morale, the Spanish media was free to report on it in gory detail. News of the sickness first made headlines in Madrid in late-May 1918, and coverage only increased after the Spanish King Alfonso XIII came down with a nasty case a week later. Since nations undergoing a media blackout could only read in depth accounts from Spanish news sources, they naturally assumed that the country was the pandemic’s ground zero. The Spanish, meanwhile, believed the virus had spread to them from France, so they took to calling it the “French Flu.”
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matejst wrote:
Chris Whittington wrote:
texium wrote:
respectfully, can we expect a public release before Christmas

Tricky one, I got flu. Also need to build a new network and I’m not sure I have all the position data for that yet.

Tststs... Chris, please, we don't call it "flu" anymore, as you know well.

Haha! Well it’s not COVID because I took the self-test for that yesterday morning and was negative. My own fault, spent last week in very cold wet snowy London, exposed to volumes of virus (compared to here, population density of zero) and inevitably picked something up for the first time in three years (usually, before COVID, I get a winter flu every year). My clinic in London says there’s a very high rate of flu infection right now, with UK GPs told they can prescribe two types of antivirals (that’s a first too), 20 GBP a course if bought privately.

Yeah mate something weird is definitely going around.

At the end of November, I left China for Thailand with my family and whist in transit (I had to change flight in Cambodia for one to Bangkok) my family first caught something and then I got it.

So after that once in Thailand, I was sick for more than two weeks (!), even though I hadn't even had a cold for over a year (I take a lot of vitamins, supplements etc for health and work from home).

All the symptoms ppl with COVID report, from constant tiredness to flu-like stuff, fever on and off...

Took 3 self-tests and all were negative. No idea what it was, but I still suspect COVID regardless of test results being negative.
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Ozymandias wrote:
Eelco wrote:
I'm not hoping for the Spanish flu
The only thing Spanish about that flu, was the fact that the Spanish press reported about it:

https://www.history.com/news/why-was-it-called-the-spanish-flu wrote:
Spain was one of only a few major European countries to remain neutral during World War I. Unlike in the Allied and Central Powers nations, where wartime censors suppressed news of the flu to avoid affecting morale, the Spanish media was free to report on it in gory detail. News of the sickness first made headlines in Madrid in late-May 1918, and coverage only increased after the Spanish King Alfonso XIII came down with a nasty case a week later. Since nations undergoing a media blackout could only read in depth accounts from Spanish news sources, they naturally assumed that the country was the pandemic’s ground zero. The Spanish, meanwhile, believed the virus had spread to them from France, so they took to calling it the “French Flu.”

Quote :
Just before breakfast on the morning of March 4, Private Albert Gitchell of the U.S. Army reports to the hospital at Fort Riley, Kansas, complaining of the cold-like symptoms of sore throat, fever and headache. Soon after, over 100 of his fellow soldiers had reported similar symptoms, marking what are believed to be the first cases in the historic influenza pandemic of 1918, later known as Spanish flu.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/first-cases-reported-in-deadly-influenza-epidemic

affraid

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Yeah mate something weird is definitely going around.

No idea who he is, but Holofernes nailed it a few posts above.
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Eelco wrote:
I had not expected the flu because Covid has taken over. But I should have because omicron is very different from the flu. Don't have a flu shot myself this year thought it was not necessary Have perpetual cold so I'm not very worried about flu yet. If you never have a cold because your immune system is very targeted, Covid is very dangerous , it slips under the radar so to speak. Because we have not built up any resistance agaist the flu in the past few years, a new flu can have the same effect (as Covid) I hope Chris gets well. Finally do get out of selfchosen isolation and then you get this. I sympathize. I am a bit younger but I'm not hoping for the Spanish flu. Killed a lot of my grandmothers family in Belgium around World War I.

What is strange with the recent flu is that it is a mass phenomena.
Millions of germans ?
Strange.

The covid tests do not indicate covid.

I had the effect that i had the classical flu syndroms, and was also very tired , powerless, for 4-5 days.
E.g. i was only capable if makin myself something to eat, or walk to the toilette. And then i was so tired from these action and movements that i had to go to bed again.

How can such a pandemic flu suddenly cone out of nowhere ?
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Mclane wrote:
Eelco wrote:
I had not expected the flu because Covid has taken over. But I should have because omicron is very different from the flu. Don't have a flu shot myself this year thought it was not necessary Have perpetual cold so I'm not very worried about flu yet. If you never have a cold because your immune system is very targeted, Covid is very dangerous , it slips under the radar so to speak. Because we have not built up any resistance agaist the flu in the past few years, a new flu can have the same effect (as Covid) I hope Chris gets well. Finally do get out of selfchosen isolation and then you get this. I sympathize. I am a bit younger but I'm not hoping for the Spanish flu. Killed a lot of my grandmothers family in Belgium around World War I.

What is strange with the recent flu is that it is a mass phenomena.
Millions of germans ?
Strange.

The covid tests do not indicate covid.

I had the effect that i had the classical flu syndroms, and was also very tired , powerless, for 4-5 days.
E.g. i was only capable if makin myself something to eat, or walk to the toilette. And then i was so tired from these action and movements that i had to go to bed again.

How can such a pandemic flu suddenly cone out of nowhere ?

Sounds like what I had. Tired all day every day. Neutral
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It is said because of the limited contact between people during covid people build not enough antibodies for the yearly flu. Here in the Netherlands the numbers of the yearly flu during covid were much lower than normal.

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It is said because of the limited contact between people during covid people build not enough antibodies for the yearly flu. Here in the Netherlands the numbers of the yearly flu during covid were much lower than normal.

Same situation as in France. I’m recovered pretty much. Temperatures are back up to 16C. Sun shining.

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It is said because of the limited contact between people during covid people build not enough antibodies for the yearly flu. Here in the Netherlands the numbers of the yearly flu during covid were much lower than normal.

Same situation as in France. I’m recovered pretty much. Temperatures are back up to 16C. Sun shining.

We have 10-12 degree in Germany.

Only 4h by plane on Gran Canaria it is still very hot.
https://youtu.be/lJiVq1pf4rQ

23 degrees at 8 a.m.

Later 26-27 degree Celsius.
It all depends where you live.
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