1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. c4 c6 4. Nc3 dxc4 5. a4 Bg4 6. Ne5 Bh5 7. Nxc4 h6 8. g3 Nbd7 9. Bg2 Nb6 10. Nxb6 axb6 11. d5 Qd7 12. Be3 Qc7 13. Rc1 c5 14. O-O Qe5 15. Qb3 Nd7 16. Bf4 Qf5 17. Nb5 Kd8 18. e4 Qg6 19. f3 Qf6 20. Rf2 g5 21. Bd2 Bg7 22. Bc3 Qg6 23. g4 Bxc3 24. gxh5 Qxh5 25. Nxc3 Kc7 26. h3 Ne5 27. d6+ exd6 28. Nb5+ Kb8 29. Qd5 Rd8 30. Nxd6 Nc6 31. Qxf7 Qxf7 32. Nxf7 Rf8 33. Nxh6 Rxa4 34. Ng4 Rf7 {An dieser Stelle will der weisse g1-e1 ziehen und "rochieren". Turm zieht von c1 nach f1. Voila. Superrochade. Scheint den Mystery überhaupt nicht zu tangieren das der Turm schon gezogen hat und der König auch, nämlich im 14. Zug eine Rochade !! Macht er einfach noch eine :-)))} 35. e5 {Nachdem ich erneut alle Züge eingegeben habe spielt Rebel Mystery nun diesen Zug.} Nd4 36. Kh2 Ra2 37. Nf6 Nc6 38. f4 gxf4 39. Bd5 Nxe5 40. Nh5 Rf8 41. Bxa2 Nd3 42. Rcf1 Nxf2 43. Rxf2 b5 44. Nxf4 c4 45. h4 Rd8 46. h5 Rd6 47. Kg3 Ra6 48. b3 Rc6 49. Rc2 cxb3 50. Bxb3 Ka7 51. Rxc6 bxc6 52. h6 c5 53. Bd5 Kb6 54. h7 c4 55. h8=Q Kc5 1-0 [/pgn]
when the bug happened i checked the Position with POS and everything was identical. I then resetted the machine, gave in the moves and let it compute again, and the strange move did not appear again.
I know you will not believe me therefore i made pictures showing the machine doing the super castling:
1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. c4 c6 4. Nc3 dxc4 5. a4 Bg4 6. Ne5 Bh5 7. Nxc4 h6 8. g3 Nbd7 9. Bg2 Nb6 10. Nxb6 axb6 11. d5 Qd7 12. Be3 Qc7 13. Rc1 c5 14. O-O Qe5 15. Qb3 Nd7 16. Bf4 Qf5 17. Nb5 Kd8 18. e4 Qg6 19. f3 Qf6 20. Rf2 g5 21. Bd2 Bg7 22. Bc3 Qg6 23. g4 Bxc3 24. gxh5 Qxh5 25. Nxc3 Kc7 26. h3 Ne5 27. d6+ exd6 28. Nb5+ Kb8 29. Qd5 Rd8 30. Nxd6 Nc6 31. Qxf7 Qxf7 32. Nxf7 Rf8 33. Nxh6 Rxa4 34. Ng4 Rf7 {An dieser Stelle will der weisse g1-e1 ziehen und "rochieren". Turm zieht von c1 nach f1. Voila. Superrochade. Scheint den Mystery überhaupt nicht zu tangieren das der Turm schon gezogen hat und der König auch, nämlich im 14. Zug eine Rochade !! Macht er einfach noch eine :-)))} 35. e5 {Nachdem ich erneut alle Züge eingegeben habe spielt Rebel Mystery nun diesen Zug.} Nd4 36. Kh2 Ra2 37. Nf6 Nc6 38. f4 gxf4 39. Bd5 Nxe5 40. Nh5 Rf8 41. Bxa2 Nd3 42. Rcf1 Nxf2 43. Rxf2 b5 44. Nxf4 c4 45. h4 Rd8 46. h5 Rd6 47. Kg3 Ra6 48. b3 Rc6 49. Rc2 cxb3 50. Bxb3 Ka7 51. Rxc6 bxc6 52. h6 c5 53. Bd5 Kb6 54. h7 c4 55. h8=Q Kc5 1-0 [/pgn]
An impressive game by Rebel. I was especially impressed by 27. d6! I would NEVER have played that move! Ed deserves credit and kudos for writing the code that played that move!
Of course, in a tournament, the game would have been awarded to the Steinitz computer at move 35.
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Subject: Re: summer tournament Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:06 pm
not nessesarily. Even in an official championship of ICCA/ICGA the operator or programmer has the chance to see if everything is OK if an illegal move occurs. He has the chance to input the moves again or input the position again with a resettet machine and look what happens. thats what i did. the glitch move came not again, so i continued the game.
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Subject: Re: summer tournament Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:07 pm
in the next game between the dutch program running on a tasc final chess card and a fidelity computer, the dutch program won:
With emphasis on gratitude to Mclane for running this FANTASTIC tournament, that was a bit disappointing: the Fidelity Elite seemed to just stand there and lose.
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Subject: Re: summer tournament Sat Sep 18, 2021 8:17 pm
I willin a few moments present my second tournament…. In a new thread.
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Beginn des Turniers: 2021.08.18, 14:37:29 Letzte Aktualisierung: 2021.08.18, 14:38:09 Ort/ Land: ORION8, Deutschland Spielstufe: Turnier 40/120 20/60 Hardware: Dual Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6300 @ 1.86GHz mit 1.016 MB Speicher Betriebssystem: Microsoft Windows XP 64 Bit Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 3790) PGN-Datei:Schachcompus.pgn Tabelle erstellt mit:Arena 1.99beta4
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The next game in round 9 is fidelity elite A/S Glasgow 5 mhz vs. Excalibur Einstein chess wizard.
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Subject: Re: summer tournament Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:17 am
Mclane wrote:
with these 2 games the eight round is finished.
For me, interesting similarities: in both games, white's position looked fine, or even good, but then white cracked under pressure against the king.
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Subject: Re: summer tournament Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:35 am
In this game between Fidelity programmer Ron Nelsons machine and Fidelity programmers Dan and Kathe Spracklens machine, the older programmer on made the game.
THe dedicated chess computer Excalibur Einstein chess wizard by Ron Nelson runs only on batteries. 2 migon or micro. And it runs for ages now.
I guess it was mainly designed to run on small button batteries like 2032 or 2016 and by using bigger batteries like AAA or AA cells, it runs "forever" on them.
it has also no permanent brain and shuts down after a while, this helps a lot.
Or it has a solar cell arround the display.
or einstein has done anything other mysterious with the computer.
whatever.
the Fidelity machine opened with 1.f4.
maybe not the wisest decision. white had opening book until move 5.
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Subject: Re: summer tournament Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:02 am
The next game is between Schneider Titan 16 mhz with Kaare Danielsen 16 KB engine and TASC Final chess card 5 mhz by Marc Derksen.
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Subject: Re: summer tournament Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:36 am
Mclane wrote:
The next game is between Schneider Titan 16 mhz with Kaare Danielsen 16 KB engine and TASC Final chess card 5 mhz by Marc Derksen.
Take the screen out of that picture and you've got a wonderful gold and brown colour scheme!
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Subject: Re: summer tournament Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:11 am
Yes the LED i use it not very bright. I had 100 watt but it was so bright i could not see the LEDs of some older wooden dedicated machines. So i thought, maybe a LED i can dimm. But that LED is dimmable but darker. So i ordered a better one. Lets see if the next one his as bright as the 100 watt non dimmable.
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Subject: Re: summer tournament Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:19 am
the game between Schneider Titan 16 mhz and TASC Final chess card ended with a win for
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Subject: Re: summer tournament Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:47 am
to make the tournament more exciting as it is, so far, i put 2 new entries in it.
The Conchess Plymate Victoria and the Elektronika IM05.
You maybe know that the Mephisto MM II has the Ulf Rathsmann engine in it. Before Rathsmann came to HG he produces his engines in the own brand CONCHESS.
there were either named after the championships , mhz speed or fantasy names. I took an older module called Glasgow (1984) and let it renew and upgrade with a later version by chessfriend berger. He took the old PCB by Steve UK and put new CPU , quarz and Eproms in it. This way the Glasgow is now a plymate Victoria with 6.144 mhz as it has been played for conchess in official tournaments.
By saying this we now have 2 Rathsmann engines in the tournament. The MMII in original 3.7 mhz speed and the later Plymate Victoria with 6.144 mhz.
Another interesting item is the russian dedicated chess computer Elektronika IM05.
there were several models , a weaker IM01 and IM01T, and this IM05 is the third in this series.
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Subject: Re: summer tournament Sun Oct 10, 2021 12:53 pm
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Mclane wrote:
No he never gave it this name. The people bought it and wondered: what is this. Because it was a non labelled mm2 pcb. But it played different and was obviously not a rathsmann program. So they gave it the name rebel mystery.
Later then it was clear that this was the module ed schroeder used in amateur group in amsterdam 1985. At this time rebel was not so strong. Due to the fact that 4 KB were not enough. So the later rebel5.0 module that came after the cologne championship 1986 had 8 KB Ram and also 5 mhz.
So the correct name is maybe rebel amsterdam.
You have that wrong, the REBEL Amsterdam 1985 version was never released, never made it to Munich. Frans played with his NONA. I believe he won the Amateur Group. At that time NONA was definitely stronger than REBEL.
NO.
They have it wrong.
It is as I told you.
Don't trust those the memories of people too much. There are other mistakes on those WIKI pages.
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Subject: Re: summer tournament Sun Oct 10, 2021 1:00 pm
Tibono wrote:
TheSelfImprover wrote:
why did even expensive 8-bit chess computers have so little RAM?
In the early 80's I expanded my TRS-80 RAM (from 16K to 48K) and I remember the RAM itself was MUCH expensive. Since, RAM price has dropped down several orders of magnitude! Usual 8bits CPUs (such as Z80 and 6502) gather 2 x 8bits registers for addressing memory up to 64K addresses, so providing 4K chess computer was not a matter of limited technology - just a cost concern. And worth pointing out, those chess programs were assembler (machine language) coded, which can be very compact, and enable handling data at bit level. So, game state can be stored in a few bits rather than bytes.
Sweet memories on the TRS-80. A friend of mine overclocked the 1.77Mhz to 3.55Mhz, second place of my first tournament the Dutch championship in 1982. The year before REBEL was refused to participate, too weak according the tournament director
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Subject: Re: summer tournament Sun Oct 10, 2021 1:09 pm
Mclane wrote:
In the game was a strange "bug". I was unable to reproduce it, but it seems Rebel Mystery tried a SUPER castling.
THERE YOU GO
Quote :
An dieser Stelle will der weisse g1-e1 ziehen und "rochieren". Turm zieht von c1 nach f1. Voila. Superrochade. Scheint den Mystery überhaupt nicht zu tangieren das der Turm schon gezogen hat und der König auch, nämlich im 14. Zug eine Rochade !! Macht er einfach noch eine :-)))} 35
This is a known (and funny) Frans Morsch bug.
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Subject: Re: summer tournament Sun Oct 10, 2021 2:21 pm
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Admin wrote:
Mclane wrote:
No he never gave it this name. The people bought it and wondered: what is this. Because it was a non labelled mm2 pcb. But it played different and was obviously not a rathsmann program. So they gave it the name rebel mystery.
Later then it was clear that this was the module ed schroeder used in amateur group in amsterdam 1985. At this time rebel was not so strong. Due to the fact that 4 KB were not enough. So the later rebel5.0 module that came after the cologne championship 1986 had 8 KB Ram and also 5 mhz.
So the correct name is maybe rebel amsterdam.
You have that wrong, the REBEL Amsterdam 1985 version was never released, never made it to Munich. Frans played with his NONA. I believe he won the Amateur Group. At that time NONA was definitely stronger than REBEL.
NO.
They have it wrong.
It is as I told you.
Don't trust those the memories of people too much. There are other mistakes on those WIKI pages.
There are 2 supermondials. And 2 wooden monte carlos.
1 frans morsch 2 ed schroeder.
Supermondial I = frans morsch. Supermondial II = ed schroeder.
And the wooden twins monte carlo and monte carlo IV. So here wiki is definitely right. You shared the same hardware with frans and at that time the schröder version was arround 80 elo stronger then frans‘ version on the same hardware platform.
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Subject: Re: summer tournament Sun Oct 10, 2021 2:23 pm
Admin wrote:
Mclane wrote:
In the game was a strange "bug". I was unable to reproduce it, but it seems Rebel Mystery tried a SUPER castling.
THERE YOU GO
Quote :
An dieser Stelle will der weisse g1-e1 ziehen und "rochieren". Turm zieht von c1 nach f1. Voila. Superrochade. Scheint den Mystery überhaupt nicht zu tangieren das der Turm schon gezogen hat und der König auch, nämlich im 14. Zug eine Rochade !! Macht er einfach noch eine :-)))} 35
This is a known (and funny) Frans Morsch bug.
This module called „rebel mystery“ or rebel Amsterdam was once sold by yourself when i remember it right. It runs on the old Mephisto MM2 pcb with only 4 KB Ram. So you now say this is not the engine you used championship in amsterdam (Amateur Division) ?! But i can reproduce your games with it.
I am talking about THIS Rebel Amsterdam tournament and there is ed schroeder Amsterdam version ranked second.
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Subject: Re: summer tournament Sun Oct 10, 2021 2:43 pm
Mclane wrote:
Is the Elektronika press sensory, or do you enter moves via the keyboard?
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Subject: Re: summer tournament Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:12 pm
The chessboard has no sensors. is like the steinitz a type in computer. You maybe remember the mephisto I and II and III also had only buttons to type in coordinates. But this has also many advantages. You dont need to use pieces. You can use a chessboard or pieces of your own choice.
The commands are in russian language. So you first have to find out about how to operate it. The manual i have is also in russian with these strange letters.
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Subject: Re: summer tournament Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:34 pm
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